Hi everyone,
This is the first time I'm replying to a post here, but I've been reading the forums for a while.
So, as far as I can know, the basic idea of the so-called Tutberidze methods is actually the way the whole system works and the fact that there are dozens of really talented skaters who can always take your spot in case you aren't compliant with the requirements set by TT. And obviously, there are way too many talented female skaters in Russia and in TT as well. As a result, each of her students has to do whatever they can to keep competing at the national level and making the team for the Worlds or the Olympics. Thus the fact that the students come and go shouldn't hurt the Khrustalny team much, as they always get the cream. Consequently, Eteri probably has no interest, enthusiasm or time, which would be necessary to correct individual technique flaws or to look for new ideas in choreography and/or artistry, or maybe to take proper care of each athlete's health. If you ask me, considering the number of athletes contributing to the overall team performance, it's even impossible to pay enough attention to their individual needs equally.
What's more, the fact that Eteri has enough influence both on the Russian skating fed and on the ISU makes it extremely challenging for a whole bunch of other coaches such as Mishin, Panova, Volchkova-Butsaeva or Buyanova and their students to achieve much.
To sum up, basically, a lot of talented young ladies have been and will be hurt by this situation, and a lot of coaches as well.
Hi there.
Let me challenge your statements a little bit.
- the internal competition in that team isn’t really something exclusive to them. As you yourself point out, Russia is super dense when it comes to talent, hence whether or not they are part of Team Tutberidze, all girls from all coaching Teams fight absolutely the same way for those 3 spots. In the end, it doesn’t matter who belongs to which team, the reality of only 3 spots pushes them as nothing else.
- Khrustalny „gets the cream“ not because they’re negligent to their students, but because they work for it. There are multiple examples when skaters in that team progressed incredibly fast.
Aliona was considering retiring after placing 17th at JrNats, or trying to make it to Eteri. In less than a year‘s time she placed 3rd at Senior Nats and 2nd at JGP and JrWorlds. She left them as a European and GPF champion.
Alina came as someone who was inferior to Alisa Lozko (both previously trained together in Izhevsk). While Alisa managed to make in to Mishin, Alina didn’t, but was taken on by Eteri.
Few years down the road, Alina owns a grand slam and is the highest paid russian figure skater, while Alisa retired without making it into senior international events.
And there are many more examples.
- The technique not being reworked, negligence
Well, there are many examples of visible improvements as well. At the top of my head: Aliona’s 3Lz became way better, Alina’s too, especially in Juniors. In 18-19 season Alina’s Axel was a bit off axis, that got fixed last season. Funnily enough, I had the same conversation in 18-19 with the user here telling me it won’t get fixed. But it turned out I was right in the end.
Does that mean that they’re good at fixing every single issue? No, of course not.
Some things take longer, so they might be slowly working on things, while people run to conclusions in the meantime, and some things they just can’t fix, because they’re not capable.
I don’t think they’re the greatest technicians and can do absolutely everything.
But I won’t agree that they’re just negligent, because their students are not perfect, because it’s not the case in reality.
Regarding the technique, it’s also good to remember that not everything depends on a coach. It’s like in a class, where teacher teaches 10 students, but not everyone, no matter the attention, will be a straight A student. Similarly, things will also partially depend on athletes themselves, not just coaching.
Look at the examples: Mishin coaches both Liza and Sofia since they were kids, and they have completely different technique. Same with Veronika and Aliona Zhilina‘s mom. She also coached them both to their triples, she definitely wouldn’t pay less attention to one daughter, and the girls still jump differently. Panova also coached Frolova, Sinitsina and Sotskova, and all 3 have different jumping technique.
I also think it’s kind of contradictory to think, that the coach has no enthusiasm or interest to coach, and yet, the students somehow just keep on progressing, improving, beating records and taking podiums. Unless there’s some magic water or air on that rink, none of that will come without hardworking and Talented students and good coaching.
It definitely adds to the difficulty of the program, yet it should result in lower PC's, IMO.
How can you know this? WE all know she is a saint and she is working for the work 
. I just don't understand how can she buy the Louis Vuitton goods and how can she pay the botox treatments?
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