Unfair Judging

[Snow63]

Thank you, that's all what matters

Edit: Sorry, but it's so funny And 5 stars for using that smiley in the end.

 

[TMC]

Maybe not 99% of threads but I'd agree if you amend your post to 99% of posts are about this. It really is funny isn't it.

Sometimes it seems like one could start a thread about the fluffiness of kittens, and within five pages it turns into a flame war about underrotations

 

[Li'Kitsu]

99% of the threads on this forum are about this

And the last 1% about costumes!

 

[voolfee]

Yuna deserved to be on the podium , she was almost clean and should have get better PCS.

How about Yuna's URs on 3T in 3L+3T, 3S and 3L, which weren't delivered in the protocol?

 

[sabinfire]

Sometimes it seems like one could start a thread about the fluffiness of kittens, and within five pages it turns into a flame war about underrotations

Nah, it'd be a flame war about how poor jump technique the kittens have, and it won't last them into adulthood cats.

 

[kallirroe]

Thank you, that's all what matters

If it is all that matters , then i suppose there is no need for a fan forum for figure skating or any other sport , as long as we are no judges , isnt it ? :handw: :agree:

 

[berry8]

This event was pretty meeeehhh...
I actually cannot judge because of the streaming...

 

[kallirroe]

Can you be more specific? Maybe discuss a few of the actual elements and moments in the program to show what you mean by artistry.

Here for example I discussed why I thought Yuna's SP was so underwhelming and frankly a bit overscored in PCS. It's fine if others disagree, in fact it's natural but threads like this won't work if you just use words like better artistry. He is my breakdown of Yuna's SP and my critiques of that program.



Thoughts?

Thank you for your advice. I am new to this forum and i dont know that there is so much panic aout the judging so i will mention some more details . Your descriptions is very good. However , i cannot pose those videos which begins from the middle for example , because i dont know how :sarcasm:So , as for the artistry of the Nugumanovas programm , there were 3 changes in the music . Or 4. I am not sure. She was the same among all those parts. I think there was not that match emotion and not a change in her skate through those changes. The place of the step sequences for me is totally wrong. In her step sequences we have 2 pieces , one more slow one more dynamic. I dont like that because although it changes she doesnt do something different to encarcerate that dynamic one . Only one element that in the video it is not well timed ( the streaming was not good so i am not 100 % sure for that ). At the start there was again this slow and sentional music which was then folowed by more dynamic. Her transitions from one jump to another didnt show that move from the slow to dynamic. And as the structure of the programm , i think that the step sequences would be better placed in the middle rather than in the last part , because , for me , that makes the programm a little boring and more strategic rather tahn artisttic. Her spins were so good but the could have been placed in different sections of the music in order to show this slow or dramatic tone of the song , as you said for Yuna. Thats my opinioni for the artistry. I hope i managed to explain it well in English . For that reason , PCS score seems to me really high.Because i have seen better interpretatioins of R AND J .

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

I think this thread topic is an earnest question. I, for one, have often raised eyebrows at scores. While I do not portend to be able to do a judges' job, I really do want to understand why I'm often surprised at scores and whether I'm justified to feel that way.

However, I take your point that having a judge, or someone in the know, will help this discussion much more than a bunch of blind leading the blind. I really hope this forum isn't just the latter case.

It just requires the discussion to focus on elements and not what piece of soil a skater flew in from. I also think it's important to note that a 7.25 will vary from judge to judge depending on what they value most and even component to components but that's not a sign of anything unnatural or unfair.

I think those hurdles seem to be the real challenge with these types of discussions.

 

[Nathan13]

Honestly though, I'm curious as to what the process for becoming a certified ISU judge is? Can anyone just study up and get certified? I've always wondered, and I've googled competition judges to try to find their credentials and I can never find anything.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

that makes the programm a little boring and more strategic rather tahn artisttic.

Yeah that's a thing that all skaters are doing. Even Yuna did it in the SP by doing those two spins to push her jumps to the last half but why I was so that she didn't use a StSeq to accomplish it when the music basically begs for. The judges hooked her up with a pretty high score though considering the performance so apparently the judges liked it.

Thats my opinion for the artistry. I hope i managed to explain it well in English . For that reason , PCS score seems to me really high.Because i have seen better interpretatioins of R AND J .

Welcome to the forum You've expressed yourself quite well and I appreciate your reply

Sometimes PCS scores get silly and we can't forget that figure skating has so many factors that affect the judges minds. It's hard to put into words but as judges expectations change within the landscape of an unfolding event, good or bad skates for example of notable skaters, the scores the judges enter might even surprise themselves. It's just part of a judged sport I imagine.

 

[Biellmann]

Edit: Sorry, but it's so funny And 5 stars for using that smiley in the end.

 

[chuckm]

When the ISU host was reviewing Nugumanova's FS, he kept referring to her jumps as underrotated, one after another. Yet she got just ONE ur. In the SP, she got URs on two out of three jumps.

I was shocked when she got the highest FS score of all, as even to my eyes, many of her jumps were underrotated. She was behind Shiraiwa in the SP, so clearly, her score was "engineered" to ensure she got on the podium.

This event should have been thrilling, but it was as blah as leftover, lukewarm soup.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Honestly though, I'm curious as to what the process for becoming a certified ISU judge is? Can anyone just study up and get certified? I've always wondered, and I've googled competition judges to try to find their credentials and I can never find anything.

Alba who is a poster here did it. She took some courses and a test I believe in Italy. I don't think she ever started judging though....or she says

 

[sneakers]

Honestly though, I'm curious as to what the process for becoming a certified ISU judge is? Can anyone just study up and get certified? I've always wondered, and I've googled competition judges to try to find their credentials and I can never find anything.

all technical specailists are former skaters or have skated before either by low level or on elite level
contrary a coach can be certified even he hasn't skated himself all his life.

 

[hugo]

when I read such threads more I want that user's nationality indication (if not mentioned by user, location through IP adress should be implemented) would be very helpful in such discussions. Also helpful would be indication of user's sex.

 

[hugo]

When the ISU host was reviewing Nugumanova's FS, he kept referring to her jumps as underrotated, one after another. Yet she got just ONE ur. In the SP, she got URs on two out of three jumps.

I was shocked when she got the highest FS score of all, as even to my eyes, many of her jumps were underrotated. She was behind Shiraiwa in the SP, so clearly, her score was "engineered" to ensure she got on the podium.

This event should have been thrilling, but it was as blah as leftover, lukewarm soup.

Mr. chuckm, as I remember you wasn't shocked when Samodurova was robbed of bronze medal in Yokohama... Now, this is maybe because american was beaten not only by korean (what becomes obvious in this season) but also by german junior ?

 

[Nathan13]

Alba who is a poster here did it. She took some courses and a test I believe in Italy. I don't think she ever started judging though....or she says

I think that would be a fascinating endeavor, although I doubt I would get hired because I've skated a grand total of two times in my life. I imagine the courses are expensive too...

 

[kallirroe]

when I read such threads more I want that user's nationality indication (if not mentioned by user, location through IP adress should be implemented) would be very helpful in such discussions. Also helpful would be indication of user's sex.

I am from Greece. Our only one representative was in this JGP and took only 55 points sum up for both her programms. So i am neither inclined to Russians nor to Japaneses nor to USAs ( I mention only those because those three countries are always the ones that make the serious competition . Of course there are other countries representative skaters that are the exception like Koreans Or China ). So , from my perspectie , i think of myself a fan with an subjective opinion to such issues.

 

[Rissa]

Mr. chuckm, as I remember you wasn't shocked when Samodurova was robbed of bronze medal in Yokohama... Now, this is maybe because american was beaten not only by korean (what becomes obvious in this season) but also by german junior ?

Chuckm wasn't shocked that a Russian was beaten by three Japanese because an American was beaten by a Korean and German?

Can somebody explain me the logic of this I don't get it.