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Who will break Yuna Kim's record and when?

jenm said:
I can honestly say that among the skaters under CoP era, Yuna was one of the rare people who actually earned and deserved every bit of her scores, sometimes even underscored. Undermining Yuna's 3Lz+3T, which a lot of people including experts would agree that's one of the best if not the best, is unfair. We all have difference in opinion but at least give credit where credit is due. Nitpicking that tiny little bit of "hammer toe" and that little hook on some of her 3T, seriously? At least she has very little pre-rotation and actually leaves the ice as soon as her toe pick hits the ice unlike most other skaters who actually pivots more than half a rotation on the ice and/or launches fully forward.
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In the words of the great Dick Button (who has actually been more critical of Yuna than not): "she is one of the few skaters who can answer the question, where is the jump in that jump?"

Watch here Michelle Kwan and Dick Button discuss Yuna's jumps and skating quality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y2_akP0tBQ
 
Dan said:
Would you go into more details about this change since 2010?
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GOE on triples and triple combos were free to range from -3 to +3 up to 2010. Afterwards, they were factored, so that the range was limited to -2.1 to 2.1.

In any case this is a ruse, and a poor excuse. The factored GOE has led to judges more freely giving out GOEs in the +2's and +3's, so that its effect was mostly negated.

Also, the technical committee has boosted scoring potential in many other areas including:

1. Increase base value of 3Loop, 3Toe, 3Salchow and 3Axel
2. 10% bonus in the SP for second-half jumps
3. Encouraging judges to use the upper limit of the PCS range
 
mrrice said:
Here's the thing about Yuna. IMO, of course. If there was ever a skater who knew how to work a judge (Maria Butyrskaya ) it was Yuna. I never saw her live but, I have seen some really good copies of her Bond Girl SP and she just didn't do anything wrong. You won't be able to convince me that she had a good spiral but.....She was a big jumper and a great performer. As a Judge, I can say without a doubt that it really does matter. When you've been sitting there for hours, it's like a breath of fresh air to have a skater, or in my case, dancer. Look you in the eye and force you to pay attention to them. It's money to a skater who can pull it off and that's why I continue to pick Med as the next World Champion.
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Medvedeva has that "it" factor that you just can't quantify no matter how else you feel about her skating. She has that innate confidence that makes you not only take notice of her but also feel that she is owning and in control of her skating.
 
jenm said:
I can honestly say that among the skaters under CoP era, Yuna was one of the rare people who actually earned and deserved every bit of her scores, sometimes even underscored. Undermining Yuna's 3Lz+3T, which a lot of people including experts would agree that's one of the best if not the best, is unfair. We all have difference in opinion but at least give credit where credit is due. Nitpicking that tiny little bit of "hammer toe" and that little hook on some of her 3T, seriously? At least she has very little pre-rotation and actually leaves the ice as soon as her toe pick hits the ice unlike most other skaters who actually pivots more than half a rotation on the ice and/or launches fully forward.

As for the world record, I don't mind it to be beaten because the scoring trend keeps on changing. I'm glad the ladies are upping their technical content. I just wish their PCS would calm down.
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Well, it's not a "little bit" of hammer toe. 3Lz+3T in Sochi, the 3Lz had a lot of toe hammer...Kanako level. Of course the severity varies, but in many instances it is much more than "a little bit".

The point is, whether it's Yuna or someone else, is that in my opinion and I'm sure many others, the valuations of several of the jumps needs to be corrected. Also that the ISU needs to determine when to re-evaluate the base values. Should be at the end/beginning of a new quad instead of on a whim, randomly, whenever.
 
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kiara_bleu said:
Medvedeva has that "it" factor that you just can't quantify no matter how else you feel about her skating. She has that innate confidence that makes you not only take notice of her but also feel that she is owning and in control of her skating.
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I like, like, and triple like this comment. Why, because it's true! Bravo.
 
MAXSwagg said:
Well, it's not a "little bit" of hammer toe. 3Lz+3T in Sochi, the 3Lz had a lot of toe hammer...Kanako level. Of course the severity varies, but in many instances it is much more than "a little bit".

The point is, whether it's Yuna or someone else, is that in my opinion and I'm sure many others, the valuations of several of the jumps needs to be corrected. Also that the ISU needs to determine when to re-evaluate the base values. Should be at the end/beginning of a new quad instead of on a whim, randomly, whenever.
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I've been at this a long time and I still don't know what a "Hammer Toe" is. Does anyone have a clip that show's a good example of what it is? Thanks in advance.
 
drivingmissdaisy said:
She and Nicole Bobek top my all-time best-dressed list :)
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True......Say what you want about Miss Bobek. She always looked great!!! I'll add another skater from the old days. Elena Liashenko. When I saw her in 2001, she had one of the coolest SP dresses I had ever seen. As a Maria B. Fan, Elena was not on my radar but her costume was gorgeous. So much bling.....It made her glow. Check out the cool looking Spider Web on the back of her dress. I couldn't find her worlds performance but this is that same program from Europeans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAfu0rvhyQ4
 
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MAXSwagg said:
Yes.

SP
https://youtu.be/VRi9t-mVWNk?t=1m17s

FS
https://youtu.be/yUUwPuyZDtY?t=1m23s

Love, love, love this short program, though, as well as the dress.
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Yes, she has one, but she uses it to power her 3-3 jumps in order for them to not only have a great height, but also good distance. And she doesn't swing her leg then drop her foot hard like a hammer ala Kanako:

https://youtu.be/qc6ok8V_elc?t=54s

I do agree with you on how the judges neglected and underscored the value of a 3A-2T (prior to the rule changes in 2010), a combo that was so difficult, only one woman was attempting and successfully landing them in competitions.
 
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mrrice said:
Here's the thing about Yuna. IMO, of course. If there was ever a skater who knew how to work a judge (Maria Butyrskaya ) it was Yuna. I never saw her live but, I have seen some really good copies of her Bond Girl SP and she just didn't do anything wrong. You won't be able to convince me that she had a good spiral but.....She was a big jumper and a great performer. As a Judge, I can say without a doubt that it really does matter. When you've been sitting there for hours, it's like a breath of fresh air to have a skater, or in my case, dancer. Look you in the eye and force you to pay attention to them. It's money to a skater who can pull it off and that's why I continue to pick Med as the next World Champion.

I'm going to have to eat a lot of crow if Med loses.....:drama:
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I gotta hand it to you, you have a way of working your wife's name into every conversation somehow :laugh2:
 
Do we really care who will break her record? Did we really care who won the Olympics, where she was the best?
She is evergreen like Witt, Ito, Yamaguchi, Bielmann, Lu Chen, Kwan and Asada (maybe Arakawa). The rest? They won some competitions...
 
MAXSwagg said:
Well, it's not a "little bit" of hammer toe. 3Lz+3T in Sochi, the 3Lz had a lot of toe hammer...Kanako level. Of course the severity varies, but in many instances it is much more than "a little bit".

The point is, whether it's Yuna or someone else, is that in my opinion and I'm sure many others, the valuations of several of the jumps needs to be corrected. Also that the ISU needs to determine when to re-evaluate the base values. Should be at the end/beginning of a new quad instead of on a whim, randomly, whenever.
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Flexing your knee isn't the same thing as "hammer toe." Generally skaters do hammer toe to begin rotation sooner and sacrifice air time. But it isn't like Yuna had small jumps. Harding, and Tuk for instance don't flex the knee and have famously huge jumps, but then they have other issues with their jumping such as air position, controlled landings, and flow. So you can nitpick technique, but at some point it becomes of a question of "this could be even better" not "this is flawed." You have to measure criticisms against what the skater is achieving.
 
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