Yuzuru Hanyu: 2014-15 Season

[unico]

Wiki probably redirects there because cranial contusion isn't a common term. Something got lost in translation I imagine. (hopefully the 'lost' isnt a confusion b/w cranial and cerebral)

Clarifications

The characters used in 頭部挫創 which I translated as cranium contusion (in the Health Updates thread), meaning contusion on the cranium or simply put bruise on the part of the head that is not the jaw, has absolutely nothing to do with the brain. Please everyone don't confuse cranium with cerebral nor contusion with concussion, these things are completely different.

I don't even think it's a bone contusion (i.e. bone tissue of the cranium), just a bruise located on the cranium part of the head (i.e. soft tissue bruise) because 1) the Japanese characters didn't say "bone contusion" and 2) from what I understand bone contusions can take very very long to heal.

 

[plushyfan]

If he somehow magically recover to go to NHK, i say NO to any quad jumping there at all :disapp:

I totally agree

 

[Lindacrow]

I just realized that Saturday wasn't the only time he ran into a skater during warm ups. He also kinda did at nationals 2010 with Mura but it wasn't serious: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x23tnwu_2010-全日本選手権-最終g-6分間練習_sport at 2:50

 

[echotpe]

If he finally is forced to withdraw from NHK Trophy and then is not qualified to GPF, it should be great strikes to him.

Thus, despite the physical injuries, I hope his team won't ignore the possibilities of psychological trauma he suffers.

 

[Wo|flax]

Clarifications

The characters used in 頭部挫創 which I translated as cranium contusion (in the Health Updates thread), meaning contusion on the cranium or simply put bruise on the part of the head that is not the jaw, has absolutely nothing to do with the brain. Please everyone don't confuse cranium with cerebral nor contusion with concussion, these things are completely different.

I don't even think it's a bone contusion (i.e. bone tissue of the cranium), just a bruise located on the cranium part of the head (i.e. soft tissue bruise) because 1) the Japanese characters didn't say "bone contusion" and 2) from what I understand bone contusions can take very very long to heal.

Thank you for clarification, sorry for not waiting

 

[Windy]

Thus, despite the physical injuries, I hope his team don't ignore the possibilities of psychological trauma he suffers.

:thumbsup:

 

[ngml]

For the bravehearts, post this fancam which has the close up of the blood starting to flow down his neck during the first one min of him lying on the rink.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODIzNjU1MTg0.html

 

[Kalina]

If he finally is forced to withdraw from NHK Trophy and then is not qualified to GPF, it should be great strikes to him.

Thus, despite the physical injuries, I hope his team don't ignore the possibilities of psychological trauma he suffers.

Yes, I have been wondering about this as well, though I'm not sure I would call it trauma.

Yuzuru has competed while being injured and/or severely undertrained before. Worlds 2013 comes to mind -- he had been unable to train for almost a month before, had gotten to the ice only two days before leaving for the venue and his knee still had not healed. Thinking about this, if he manages to recover in a couple of weeks I can see him wanting to compete in NHK, and I don't think somebody would be able to stop him in that case. However, Worlds 2013 was of course on another level entirely from NHK Trophy and even the GPFinal, not just because of the importance of the championship per se but also because Japan needed to do well to get the three spots for the Olympics. Furthermore, Yuzuru had to 'tough it out' only for one competition, as he knew that after that he would have all the time he needed to recover fully. Whereas if he attends NHK and qualifies for the final, he will have the final in 10 days time, and two weeks later Japanese Nationals. This needs to be considered as well.
Another thing they will probably consider are the chances that Yuzuru has to qualify for the final -- say that in the next two GPs the situation evolves in such a way that Yuzuru needs a gold to qualify, they might not take the risk, but if silver is enough, he might take the chance.

 

[echotpe]

Another thing they will probably consider are the chances that Yuzuru has to qualify for the final -- say that in the next two GPs the situation evolves in such a way that Yuzuru needs a gold to qualify, they might not take the risk, but if silver is enough, he might take the chance.

I think the top six skaters who are qualified to Finale are based on their scores rather than the medals. Today per ISU information, Yuzu's scores is ranked in sixth placement. And consider the deadline of withdrawal announcement for the closing of entries, I think his decision would be clear after CoR.

1st : Machida　269.09
2nd：Mura 　255.81
6th：Hanyu 　237.55

 

[HanDomi]

I think the top six skaters who are qualified to Finale are based on their scores rather than the medals. Today per ISU information, Yuzu's scores is ranked in sixth placement. And consider the deadline of withdrawal announcement for the closing of entries, I think his decision would be clear after CoR.

1st : Machida　269.09
2nd：Mura 　255.81
6th：Hanyu 　237.55

I think it is first of all based on medals, and then if someone for example on 5/6 places have the same positions in GP's then on scores.


WE will see in week or two how things are shaping with his health. If he goes to NHK I hope he will not attempt any quad, and I think he can do the job without any quad there.

 

[satine]

Not sure if this has been posted in here yet but... Here is a commentary-free video of Yuzuru's performance, as well as of him & Brian in the K&C. I've transcribed it as best as I can hear, please correct any mistakes or fill in any blanks if possible.

If you're going to criticize anything Brian has said (for example, about him telling Yuzuru he can be 'proud' of skating or not openly chastising him) then please do it HERE where I have posted the same thing. Thanks in advance.

8:10-
B: No media, go right to the ER.
Y: Okay.
B: Medical room ok? And we'll probably get you to see a doctor, yeah? We gotta make sure you're okay.
Yuzu plays with his pooh tissue box, a fangirl screams like CRAZY and Brian says "wow."

9:00-
Y: Ok. I'm done. With this. I don't go to final/I don't make it to final/I don't even want to know.
Yuzu laughs, Brian sort of hangs his head.
B: Well you never know actually. You never know. We have to make- we have to get you healthy first, ok? You're gonna feel it tomorrow. No exhibition.

9:35-
The scores are about to show.
B: This doesn't matter, ok? The main thing is that you went out and skated. Alright? That's amazing. That's what you need to be most proud of.
The scores show.
B: Wow.
Y: What happened?
B: I don't know.

eta: Thanks to Vanshilar & Sherkane for filling in the blanks

 

[Kalina]

I think the top six skaters who are qualified to Finale are based on their scores rather than the medals. Today per ISU information, Yuzu's scores is ranked in sixth placement. And consider the deadline of withdrawal announcement for the closing of entries, I think his decision would be clear after CoR.

1st : Machida　269.09
2nd：Mura 　255.81
6th：Hanyu 　237.55

No, it's based on a point system according to the placement the skaters received in their two GP events. If a skaters gets a gold medal he receives 15 points, silver 13, bronze 11 and so on. If there is a tie in the standings after the 6 GPs, the scores are taken into account.

 

[echotpe]

@HanDomi & Kalina,

Got it. Thank for correction!

 

[jace93]

I think it is first of all based on medals, and then if someone for example on 5/6 places have the same positions in GP's then on scores.


WE will see in week or two how things are shaping with his health. If he goes to NHK I hope he will not attempt any quad, and I think he can do the job without any quad there.

Every placement until some very low ones give you some points:
1° 15
2° 13
3° 11
4° 9
5° 7
Etc...

So the 6 with more points get into the finals. If two skater have the same point the first tiebreaker is the highest placement (for example two skaters have both 26 points but one was 1° and3° while the other has two 2° places, for this tiebreaker the first one get to pass). If two skaters have both the same points and the same placements then the tiebreaker is who has the highest sum of the scores from the two competitions (for example skater a scored 220 in his first competition and 240 in his second to win two silver medals, skater b got the same medals but he scored both time 235 points: skater b get the pass because the sum of his scores(370) it's higher than that of skater a(360))

For watch is worth normally with 26 points you are pretty sure to get a spot in the final and often skater have been able to get in with 24 points (in singles often you need a gold medal and a fourth place but in pairs happened many times(like last year) that a second and third place were enough to get a ticket)

 

[figureskateobasan]

Not sure if this has been posted in here yet but... Here is a commentary-free video of Yuzuru's performance, as well as of him & Brian in the K&C. I've transcribed it as best as I can hear, please correct any mistakes or fill in any blanks if possible.

If you're going to criticize anything Brian has said (for example, about him telling Yuzuru he can be 'proud' of skating or not openly chastising him) then please do it HERE where I have posted the same thing. Thanks in advance.

8:10-
B: No media, go right to the uh..
Y: Okay.
B: Medical room ok? And we'll probably get you to see a doctor, yeah? We gotta make sure you're okay.
Yuzu plays with his pooh tissue box, a fangirl screams like CRAZY and Brian says "wow."

9:00-
Y: Ok. I'm done.
B: ____
Y: I don't go to final.
Yuzu laughs, Brian sort of hangs his head.
B: Well you never know actually. You never know. We have to make- we have to get you healthy first, ok? You're gonna feel it tomorrow. No axels.

9:35-
The scores are about to show.
B: This doesn't matter, ok? The main thing is that you went out and skated. Ok? That's amazing. That's what you need to be most proud of.
The scores show.
B: Wow.
Y: ____
B: ____

This kid... is he normal?? I really hope ISU fix this issue but even Akiko said it isn't the problem of reducing the number of people warming up on the rink.

Those who want to watch Akiko's comment -> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x29r8rd_141110_sport

 

[Maria Victoria]

Just got home. I've read the reports and although I'm not that proficient in Japanese, I can at least breath a little easier now.

From the official press release, his injury is listed as [頭部挫創、下顎挫創、腹部挫傷、左大腿挫傷、右足関節捻挫], which I would translate in my mind as: head contusion, contusion on the lower chin, abdominal contusion, left thigh contusion and his ever present buddy R ankle sprain.

As I've said, contusion means bruising. I would rather have a patient with a contusion because it meant I'm more aware of what to expect, whereas concussion is more of a minute injuries whose extent I can't immediately assess. However, like all injuries there's a severity scale and risk stratification. One's prognosis depends on that severity thus patients' particularly suffering from intermediate to severe head injury are closely monitored and those with minor head injury are given head trauma precautions. They are both dangerous thus head injury shouldn't be taken lightly until at least a neuroimaging scan clears them.

Now let's move on to Yuzu's report, which is now our most important source of information. I would rather think that the bruising was a combination of the force received by those area and the natural reaction of the body to the injury. Base on the press reports, the scans were clear (I guess this means CT/MRI plus a probable ultrasound for blood/free fluids in the abdomen which is often done in blunt injury to detect internal bleeding) and the kanji used was 頭 (head) rather than 脳 (brain) so I can say that rules out brain injury. Correct me if I'm wrong for those who are more proficient in kanji reading, I hope I'm not blinded with optimism for Yuzuru. I chosed to believed this report because nothing can be gain if JSF tries to withheld the info thus I'll pray more for Yuzu's health, believe his words and his family/team and just simply hope. The prognosis seems good.

Reposting this from the Health Updates thread on Yuzuru and Han Yan. Many thanks to ayarose.

 

[Pamigena]

as always, this is just from the Fan Fest thread. I don't know if further information has been posted in the Han Yan & Yuzuru health updates thread (and right now I don't feel like making an info compilation about this, sorry)



p. 751-763

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x...5%E9%83%A8%E5%88%86%E4%B 8%AD%E5%BF%83_sport

On this twitter account you can find pictures from newspapers and media of the accident in Japan https://twitter.com/hanyuyuzurufeed

https://twitter.com/casa_blanca20

https://twitter.com/casa_blanca20/status/531190469057708032
ttps://twitter.com/casa_blanca20/status/531190579099480065
https://twitter.com/casa_blanca20/status/531190652248129536
https://twitter.com/casa_blanca20/status/531190738155892736
https://twitter.com/casa_blanca20/status/531190777540386817

And crying now...

https://twitter.com/00LT/status/531106856479899648

Yuzuru has come back to Japan.

http://www.daily.co.jp/newsflash/general/2014/11/09/0007489082.shtml

http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASGC964P3GC9UTQP13K.html

Yuzu arrived at airport Sunday afternoon. People shouted at him - "Welcome home. You did a great job! Fight on!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMaU602j_0w

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x29nl41_yuzuru-han-yan-collisioncoc

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd....1423809564_8d3798f9bfd62b028d344729a154235 3

Here is some detail of his costume, as someone asked yesterday

This video is a fairly complete account of the incident. It is the Japanese feed. It shows the accident, a lot backstage right after, (including Han an Hanyu fit bumping/shaking hands) as well as the new warm up and the skate and the kiss and cry crying.

I think I heard him said "I'm so shock" in english then repeat it again in Japanese "びっくりしました” as he was sobbing

Here is an article , can someone translate a bit?? It was posted on yuzuru fb site...and comment was that the japanese feseration will now consider sending a doctor to all international events....can someone confirm??

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2014/11/10/kiji/K20141110009257750.html

I only know rough Japanese, but I think it said that it did not send a medical personnel there because of budget. Now they are in the talks to consider sending one in the future, and since Hanyu-San is a top class performing athlete, it looks like a valid proposal.

Nick Mii9000 from the other forum has translated the article. I only quote one paragraph here:

after the shocking accident of Hanyu, JSF have decided to discuss on improving their system of medical support. Mr. Ito revealed He would report the accident to the designated committee and they would resume their discussion.” Due to the issues of our budget, it is difficult to send a doctor to every competition of all divisions, but it may be plausible to send one to competitions for SAs like Hanyu.

Hanyu appeared on wheelchair when he left the hotel at Shanghai and needed help to get into a car. When his fans gave him get-well wishes, he answered them by bowing and waving his hand from the car. He thanked the JSF staff (who drove him to the airport) saying “I am sorry to cause you a trouble this early morning.” Hanyu, who also injured his left leg, expressed his desire to participate in NHK on 28th, but it depends on the result of his medical check whether it is possible.

[VIDEO] Skaters (Kanako Murakami, Keiji Tanaka, Elizaveta Tukatmysheva) talking about their reaction to Hanyu's freeskate + spectators, reaction on twitter
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x29qy79_141110選手から のコメント-バードより_spor t

Ahh... I was wondering what he was saying in the KnC as he was being helped out.. In lower quality feeds I couldn't hear properly so I thought he was saying "my leg hurts", but it was actually "thank you very much".

I'll just roughly translate what the other skaters had to say:
Murakami: I was really shocked, but first of all really worried. Right now I think that it would be really good for him rest. [About his performance] I thought, yeah, just as one would expect, he's incredibly strong.

Tanaka: I was really shocked. Honestly, at first I was just wondering what happened. I completely didn't understand. But to skate with the state of those injuries, I thought his emotional strength/willpower is amazing.

Tuktamysheva: I wasn't there in person to see it, but I saw it on the monitor. It was really amazing. I thought he already looks like he's about to fall down (?), I wanted to say to him "It's okay" and I had this feeling of wanting to run up to him and give him a hug.

Orser and Hanyu's reaction to the score is a bit hilarious, they were preparing for the worst and they were both like "lol what??" when it was announced. "Wow" "What happened??" "I don't know" "Oh my god" and then tears...

Examination release! Yuzu need to treat 2~3 weeks. The further schedule will be depend on his recovery!

Precious checks results are: "Head contusion, lower jaw contusion, abdominal contusion, left thigh contusion, and right ankle sprain" (頭部挫創、下顎挫創、腹部挫傷、左大腿挫傷、右足関節捻挫)

Sorry, I am not so sure about those terms. They might be not proper!

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20141110-00000103-spnannex-spo

IMO, it might be a good chance to let whole national people to monitor him treated as necessary. Good boy, take rest, and come back stronger!

Yuzuru's comment:

I deeply apologize for causing concern to you all and for all the commotion I caused. I would like to take a good rest and have my injuries cured. As for my schedule, I would like to decide as I see how the recovery goes.

Source: http://mainichi.jp/sports/news/20141...50130000c.html

A poster from the other hanyu forum posted this:

My friend tell me this is something about Yuzuru's condition, but my Japanese is not enough to understand: http://matome.naver.jp/odai/2141560604896971701

Any Japanese poster, help? Thank you in advance.

It is attempting to explain the difference between two similar phrases: 挫傷 and 挫創

So the first is injury in the tissue below skin surface; no breaks in the skin
Second term is when the skin also breaks so with the possibility of an infection

They had summarized as follows:

Head and chin are with skin breaks injury.
Abdomen and left thigh no outer injury
羽生選手の場合
外傷あり→頭部。下顎.
外傷なし→腹部、左太腿

Hope this helps

Clarifications

The characters used in 頭部挫創 which I translated as cranium contusion (in the Health Updates thread), meaning contusion on the cranium or simply put bruise on the part of the head that is not the jaw, has absolutely nothing to do with the brain. Please everyone don't confuse cranium with cerebral nor contusion with concussion, these things are completely different.

I don't even think it's a bone contusion (i.e. bone tissue of the cranium), just a bruise located on the cranium part of the head (i.e. soft tissue bruise) because 1) the Japanese characters didn't say "bone contusion" and 2) from what I understand bone contusions can take very very long to heal.

Mii9000 from the other forum said "no brain damage" from this article:

http://www.jiji.com/jc/zc?k=201411/2014111000642&g=spo

I just realized that Saturday wasn't the only time he ran into a skater during warm ups. He also kinda did at nationals 2010 with Mura but it wasn't serious: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x23tnwu_2010-全日本選手権-最終g-6分間練習_sport at 2:50

For the bravehearts, post this fancam which has the close up of the blood starting to flow down his neck during the first one min of him lying on the rink.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODIzNjU1MTg0.html

Not sure if this has been posted in here yet but... Here is a commentary-free video of Yuzuru's performance, as well as of him & Brian in the K&C. I've transcribed it as best as I can hear, please correct any mistakes or fill in any blanks if possible.

If you're going to criticize anything Brian has said (for example, about him telling Yuzuru he can be 'proud' of skating or not openly chastising him) then please do it HERE where I have posted the same thing. Thanks in advance.

8:10-
B: No media, go right to the ER.
Y: Okay.
B: Medical room ok? And we'll probably get you to see a doctor, yeah? We gotta make sure you're okay.
Yuzu plays with his pooh tissue box, a fangirl screams like CRAZY and Brian says "wow."

9:00-
Y: Ok. I'm done. With this. I don't go to final.
Yuzu laughs, Brian sort of hangs his head.
B: Well you never know actually. You never know. We have to make- we have to get you healthy first, ok? You're gonna feel it tomorrow. No axels.

9:35-
The scores are about to show.
B: This doesn't matter, ok? The main thing is that you went out and skated. Alright? That's amazing. That's what you need to be most proud of.
The scores show.
B: Wow.
Y: What happened?
B: I don't know.

eta: Thanks to Vanshilar for filling in the blanks

Those who want to watch Akiko's comment -> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x29r8rd_141110_sport

People are saying the 1st thing Brian asked Yuzu to do in order to check if he is sober was: count from 10 to 1 in ENGLISH.

Hi guys, I'm sorry I wasn't able to answer your questions immediately, I was actually hanging in the health update thread while at work so I could only manage to monitor one thread. I just got home and I've read the reports.

First thing though, cranium refers to the skull (so in a way the head) and cerebral refers more to the brain. We often used Cerebral because one must always rule out a brain injury first before you could say it was just a contusion in the head. Cerebral contusion is a bruise in the brain, Head contusion is actually a broad term and I only use it if cerebral involvement is ruled out.

Cerebral concussion meant the brain is involved, but to make it easier for the laymen Head Concussion is often used (yeah, I know it's inconsistent and confusing as hell). It is a clinical syndrome with microscopic changes, referring to an immediate but transient loss of consciousness that is associated with an injury to the brain causing a sudden change in the momentum of the head and movement of the brain within the skull/cranium.

Cerebral contusion on the other hand means there is a direct injury to the brain parenchyma consisting of varying degrees of minute bleeding, swelling and tissue destruction. Thus if you actually open the skull, you'll see a bruised brain.

Both CEREBRAL CONTUSION AND CONCUSSION are brain injuries and these has a severity scale and risk stratification. One's prognosis depends on that severity thus patients' particularly suffering from intermediate to severe head injury are closely monitored as compared to those with minor head injury; who are often discharged and are given head trauma precautions (a list of what to watch out for). They are both dangerous thus head injury shouldn't be taken lightly until at least a neuroimaging scan clears them. Personally, I often advised admission for at least 24h to those with minor head injury just to rule out the possibility of epidural bleed (which was the case of Liam Neeson's wife), mostly characterized by a loss of consciousness, gaining it back [lucid interval] before falling back into a coma.

Now let's move on to the press release which listed his injury as follows [頭部挫創、下顎挫創、腹部挫傷、左大腿挫傷、右足関節捻挫]. As I said on the health update thread, I prefer to translate it as: head contusion, contusion on the lower chin, abdominal contusion, left thigh contusion and his ever present buddy R ankle sprain. I think that the bruising was a combination of the force received by those area and the natural reaction of the body to the injury.

Again, reports said the scans were clear and the kanji used was 頭 (head) rather than 脳 (brain) so I can say that rules out brain injury. Things are looking up and let us just pray Yuzuru recovers. Let us trust him and his team. Didn't Yuzu stayed off ice for two months when he was told it was the amount of time needed to heal his knees?

On a final note, I hope this incident will waken up the ISU. At least, JSF is shaken by it.

 

[skatefan22]

This video is a fairly complete account of the incident. It is the Japanese feed. It shows the accident, a lot backstage right after, (including Han an Hanyu fit bumping/shaking hands) as well as the new warm up and the skate and the kiss and cry crying.

Thank you for the link! It is a good recap.

 

[ayarose]

Hi guys, I'm sorry I wasn't able to answer your questions immediately, I was actually hanging in the health update thread while at work so I could only manage to monitor one thread. I just got home and I've read the reports.

First thing though, cranium refers to the skull (so in a way the head) and cerebral refers more to the brain. We often used Cerebral because one must always rule out a brain injury first before you could say it was just a contusion in the head. Cerebral contusion is a bruise in the brain, Head contusion is actually a broad term and I only use it if cerebral involvement is ruled out.

Cerebral concussion meant the brain is involved, but to make it easier for the laymen Head Concussion is often used (yeah, I know it's inconsistent and confusing as hell). It is a clinical syndrome with microscopic changes, referring to an immediate but transient loss of consciousness that is associated with an injury to the brain causing a sudden change in the momentum of the head and movement of the brain within the skull/cranium.

Cerebral contusion on the other hand means there is a direct injury to the brain parenchyma consisting of varying degrees of minute bleeding, swelling and tissue destruction. Thus if you actually open the skull, you'll see a bruised brain.

Both CEREBRAL CONTUSION AND CONCUSSION are brain injuries and these has a severity scale and risk stratification. One's prognosis depends on that severity thus patients' particularly suffering from intermediate to severe head injury are closely monitored as compared to those with minor head injury; who are often discharged and are given head trauma precautions (a list of what to watch out for). They are both dangerous thus head injury shouldn't be taken lightly until at least a neuroimaging scan clears them. Personally, I often advised admission for at least 24h to those with minor head injury just to rule out the possibility of epidural bleed (which was the case of Liam Neeson's wife), mostly characterized by a loss of consciousness, gaining it back [lucid interval] before falling back into a coma.

Now let's move on to the press release which listed his injury as follows [頭部挫創、下顎挫創、腹部挫傷、左大腿挫傷、右足関節捻挫]. As I said on the health update thread, I prefer to translate it as: head contusion, contusion on the lower chin, abdominal contusion, left thigh contusion and his ever present buddy R ankle sprain. I think that the bruising was a combination of the force received by those area and the natural reaction of the body to the injury. The head and chin particularly bruised due to the cut.

Again, reports said the scans were clear and the kanji used was 頭 (head) rather than 脳 (brain) so I can say that rules out brain injury. Things are looking up and let us just pray Yuzuru recovers. Let us trust him and his team. Didn't Yuzu stayed off ice for two months when he was told it was the amount of time needed to heal his knees?

On a final note, I hope this incident will waken up the ISU. At least, JSF is shaken by it.

 

[Winnie_20]

Well, hate me all you like or call me selfish for saying this, but I for one hope that he will compete in NHK, do well, and qualify and participate in Barcelona. That is, as long as it's possible, and a safe and sane thing for him to do. We'll see.