It is worth remembering that Jason is currently the best male spinner in the world.
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Whoop whoop!!!!! arty:
It is worth remembering that Jason is currently the best male spinner in the world.
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Sometimes I wonder lack of real technical goods can sometimes pushes judges to be over generous with qualities they CAN award like steps and spins to skaters with strong federation.
Sometimes I wonder lack of real technical goods can sometimes pushes judges to be over generous with qualities they CAN award like steps and spins to skaters with strong federation.
While I agree the Russian Fed supports Kovtun, I don't think they are that crazy about him honestly. I'm not a huge fan of his skating or anything, but he really did deserve to go to the Olympics last season and was left at home so that an obviously injured Plushenko could compete in the team event and then withdraw, the result being that no Russian man could compete at the individual event at the Olympics. Given that the Olympics were in Russia and that last season Kovtun was clearly the number 1 guy, I think that was a bit harsh. I'm not denying that he got preferential treatment during the 2012-2013 season or that his winning the National title this season wasn't the most convincing victory, but I feel that if the Russian Fed really loved him that much, they would have sent him to the Olympics last season when he was undoubtedly the best healthy males skater in Russia at the time.
Do you mean men from all countries or only U.S. men?? :think:
p.s. General comment:
Is it me ... or are Josh/Jason/Adam stirring up far more discussion than the U.S. ladies? (Not to mention the other U.S. disciplines.) :think:
Not complaining. The men are the most interesting to me. Then the dancers and ladies. But I'm surprised that the men seem to be dominating the threads.
Sometimes I wonder lack of real technical goods can sometimes pushes judges to be over generous with qualities they CAN award like steps and spins to skaters with strong federation.
You are entirely missing the point, which is that Max is a much better skater, but Kovtun gets higher scores.
You are wrong. If Kovtun had skated well at Euros he goes to Sochi. But he finished on 4th place. He was very young and inconsistent. Everybody talked about Kovtun, but Voronov was the first reserve. Plus Plushenko gave confidence to the whole Russian team. Trankov said in one of his interviews they were very nervous before the team event, but when they saw Plushy did so great they calmed down. Lipnitskaya said, she wanted to skate well because of Plushy...etc. And we are not talking about Plushenko's advertising value. Many people bought the tickets because of him. The whole competition was more exciting with him. Every big event need supertsars.
Back to Jason. If the other skaters are going to make mistakes, and he will be perfect get chance to win a medal.
It is worth remembering that Jason is currently the best male spinner in the world.
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?41239-Jason-Brown&p=1118385&viewfull=1#post1118385
This is not a fact. Here's where Brown placed.
All time best spins:
1. Stephane LAMBIEL 5.00
2. Shoma UNO 4.86
3. Michael Christian MARTINEZ 4.80
3. Takahiko KOZUKA 4.80
5. Nathan CHEN 4.79
6. Jason BROWN 4.70
Even for 2014-2015 Brown is not the best:
1. Shoma UNO 4.86
2. Jason BROWN 4.70
It is worth remembering that Jason is currently the best male spinner in the world.
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?41239-Jason-Brown&p=1118385&viewfull=1#post1118385
This is not a fact. Here's where Brown placed.
All time best spins:
1. Stephane LAMBIEL 5.00
2. Shoma UNO 4.86
3. Michael Christian MARTINEZ 4.80
3. Takahiko KOZUKA 4.80
5. Nathan CHEN 4.79
6. Jason BROWN 4.70
Even for 2014-2015 Brown is not the best:
1. Shoma UNO 4.86
2. Jason BROWN 4.70
What do your numbers represent and where do they come from?
Goe?
What do your numbers represent and where do they come from?
The best scores in spins.
Perhaps. But if someone can't be bothered to post such basic information or include their source or methodology, it's hard to take the assertion seriously. Especially because our friend Tahuu, based on his or her comments on FSU, thinks Jason is someone who "hopes to win when others fall on their jumps."
I think it is more that a skater who doesn't have to concentrate on rotating and landing a quad can pay more attention to other details of his performance. Kovtun famously said that when he goes for his quads, the choreography, etc., goes out the window -- and kind of implied that the same is true of all skaters.
A quad-less Patrick Chan was 9th in his first Worlds and then won two consecutive silver medals still quad-less in his next two appearances (and was 5th at the 2010 Olympics). The following season he added quads and beat his closest rival by over 20 points and set world records in the SP, FS, and total score.
Given the changes to the value of the quad since the 2010, it's possible that he wouldn't have won those two silvers under current scoring, but e definitely would have been top 10, and probably top 5 anyway. For Patrick, the skating skills were developed early, and then the jumps came more slowly, partly because his first coach made him spend a large amount of time practicing those basics. Many skaters do the opposite - work on the jumps and then add work to improve skating skills. It's possible to get to the same end goal - big jumps as well as good skating and presentation - via two different roads.