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Thanks Marin for the translation (love your nick!! Love Marin girl!!), what an interesting read. It is always fascinating to hear what the experts says to weigh the competition.
PCS is a funny business. For me who appreciate the artistic side of the sport, I personally think the best type of transitions are the ones that doesn't stick out as obvious transitions designed to gather points but how movements can be seamlessly integrate with the music to realize an overall impression. Therefore intricacy, variety and quality of movements are parts of the transitioning criteria that are more important to me, but then I am old school. For me, difficulty is not just about the sake of an extra bit of movements but how all movements are carried out seamlessly cohesively complimenting the music, that alone is difficult and undervalued.
When you add the quality and variety of movements - particular Patrick's overall balanced use of upper body movements thats are extension of his deep edges, skated with his entire body in synchronicity with the music, linking all the elements like one big choreograph sequence with little or no empty spots for breathing room, Patrick really deserve his high scores. Their gap should have been widened compared with their last couple meetings. Although certainly Hanyu deserve higher transitioning score for going into his jumps, but what about the other elements integrated together as a whole? Do the whole program feel cohesive or fragmented? Who realized a better consistent impression overall? Hanyu does have a more technically competitive program and likely to win the points game in the long run, but he was beaten convincingly by Patrick in the FS on this occasion. Not because he wasn't great, it is just that Patrick had one of those once in a life time all skaters can only dream of. Has there been any word from Hanyu about this competition? I should pop by his fan thread to check it out.
I disagree on equalizing their skating skills based on what they were able to display on this set of FS performances. Maybe in theory, they are close and Hanyu is probably the closest men to Patrick in terms of skating skills. If Patrick did falter badly, while Hanyu flater less or went clean, this should absolutely reflect in the scoring in the future. Both are worthy of being called bests of all time. Last year without Patrick, Hanyu should deserves the highest even when he visibly faltered, but with Patrick coming back in this condition, I strongly feel there should be some adjustment the PCS marking in the field. With judges may be making adjustments in the lower ranges more. Afterall what is a 10.0 these days? What is a 9.0? What is a 5.0? If Patrick is not a 10, then who is in history? When does him or anybody deserve a 10? This should be an interesting question hopefully get debated more.
To be frank rather than adjusting PCS by new factors BoP is proposing to reflect better balance due to new higher Tech content (works in theory but not in practice), i'd rather judges just improve how they reward PCS overall and actually using differentials between 5.0 to 10 more, rather than stick to mostly 6/7s to 10.0s, with most of the final groups likely to have marked in 8s and 9s by default. Otherwise federation favourites will continue to get undeservedly propped up, while those who works so hard on their TES at the expense of PCS will continued to get held back, e.g Max.
PCS is a funny business. For me who appreciate the artistic side of the sport, I personally think the best type of transitions are the ones that doesn't stick out as obvious transitions designed to gather points but how movements can be seamlessly integrate with the music to realize an overall impression. Therefore intricacy, variety and quality of movements are parts of the transitioning criteria that are more important to me, but then I am old school. For me, difficulty is not just about the sake of an extra bit of movements but how all movements are carried out seamlessly cohesively complimenting the music, that alone is difficult and undervalued.
When you add the quality and variety of movements - particular Patrick's overall balanced use of upper body movements thats are extension of his deep edges, skated with his entire body in synchronicity with the music, linking all the elements like one big choreograph sequence with little or no empty spots for breathing room, Patrick really deserve his high scores. Their gap should have been widened compared with their last couple meetings. Although certainly Hanyu deserve higher transitioning score for going into his jumps, but what about the other elements integrated together as a whole? Do the whole program feel cohesive or fragmented? Who realized a better consistent impression overall? Hanyu does have a more technically competitive program and likely to win the points game in the long run, but he was beaten convincingly by Patrick in the FS on this occasion. Not because he wasn't great, it is just that Patrick had one of those once in a life time all skaters can only dream of. Has there been any word from Hanyu about this competition? I should pop by his fan thread to check it out.
I disagree on equalizing their skating skills based on what they were able to display on this set of FS performances. Maybe in theory, they are close and Hanyu is probably the closest men to Patrick in terms of skating skills. If Patrick did falter badly, while Hanyu flater less or went clean, this should absolutely reflect in the scoring in the future. Both are worthy of being called bests of all time. Last year without Patrick, Hanyu should deserves the highest even when he visibly faltered, but with Patrick coming back in this condition, I strongly feel there should be some adjustment the PCS marking in the field. With judges may be making adjustments in the lower ranges more. Afterall what is a 10.0 these days? What is a 9.0? What is a 5.0? If Patrick is not a 10, then who is in history? When does him or anybody deserve a 10? This should be an interesting question hopefully get debated more.
To be frank rather than adjusting PCS by new factors BoP is proposing to reflect better balance due to new higher Tech content (works in theory but not in practice), i'd rather judges just improve how they reward PCS overall and actually using differentials between 5.0 to 10 more, rather than stick to mostly 6/7s to 10.0s, with most of the final groups likely to have marked in 8s and 9s by default. Otherwise federation favourites will continue to get undeservedly propped up, while those who works so hard on their TES at the expense of PCS will continued to get held back, e.g Max.
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just watched his SC FS again and maybe i saw it twice... not anymore than that.
