2016 Four Continents Ladies Free Skate

[solani]

Congratulations to all. I especially like when a skater gets excited by their placement even when they aren't on the podium (So Yun Park). Would someone please explain to me how Miyahara was able to repeat the 2A+3T? How is this not a repeated jump under the Zayak rule? How can this combination be repeated but a 3Lz+3T cannot? Interestingly, these two combination jumps looked identical to me and the judges thought so too, giving her identical GOE for both combinations. I would love to interview two judges that failed to give her identical GOE to find out what differences they saw. I can't find any.

A skater could repeat 3Lz-3T. The skater is allowed to repeat two triple jumps, the second has to be in combination, so 2x 3Lz-3T would be fine. But after that the skater wouldn't be allowed to repeat any other triple jump.

 

[zanadude]

Honestly, I it were me I would send Mirai, she is more reliable than Gracie and Polina now

I would kick Polina off on account of her excuse for missing this competition.

 

[randomfan]

So Youn also does two 2A-3T. It's not just Satoko. The 2A-3T is probably the best combination they can both do so it'll be useful to do them twice.

 

[sabinfire]

Mirai did well and good on her but that FS is just hilarious with the music. I really wish she would just get it over with and bring a support team who will be throwing out #MiraiGotYou t-shirts during the techno parts of that program. Maybe Tom can use a T shirt canon too and further send the crowd into a frenzy! :dance:

Please girl...take your free skate music more seriously next year. Hit me up if you need a Sam-Skwantch remix. I got you. Free of charge.

:rofl2: It's a mess, isn't it? I like the LDR part... but all the cuts are jarring and don't blend together in the least.

 

[luckyguy]

The judges love Miyahara. I am really afraid she will win in Boston. After Taipei is everything possible.

 

[sabinfire]

The judges love Miyahara. I am really afraid she will win in Boston. After Taipei is everything possible.

It's just 4CC, the field wasn't very deep due to all the WD's, and nearly all the skaters had sub-par performances. The silver medalist didn't even qualify for Worlds.

Miyahara doesn't even have a 3-3 combo. She wouldn't finish in the top 5 at Russian Nats.

 

[MaiKatze]

The judges love Miyahara. I am really afraid she will win in Boston. After Taipei is everything possible.

It's not gonna happen. Medvedeva will win. For me, the only one who really has the tiniest chance against Evgenia is a perfect Mao, and when was the last time that happened? I personally see Satoko in second place or third (it's between her and Elena) at Worlds. Basically the podium of the GPF unless one american lady grows wings. Doubtful.

 

[Sydney Rose]

Shouldn't Tom Z be overseeing Mirai's music edits? Isn't that part of the job of being an "elite" skating coach? To make sure that every little detail is as perfect as possible?

 

[jenaj]

Shouldn't Tom Z be overseeing Mirai's music edits? Isn't that part of the job of being an "elite" skating coach? To make sure that every little detail is as perfect as possible?

I thought her music was fine. It was from The Great Gatsby soundtrack. Maybe you had to have seen the movie.

 

[NaVi]

Miyahara doesn't even have a 3-3 combo.

I agree(tl;dr ur @ 4cc gpf, iffy @ nhk), but the tech panels aren't giving her ur calls.

She wouldn't finish in the top 5 at Russian Nats.

I love the Russian ladies and I wouldn't even be a fan of skating if it weren't for LIpnitskaia at Sochi... but I'm not a fan of comments like these because I know it just turns others off. It's also a pointless unprovable hypothetical. I will say this though, considering I don't think Satako has a real 3-3 I think Radionova should usually have 4 or so points of breathing space after the SP.

 

[sabinfire]

I love the Russian ladies and I wouldn't even be a fan of skating if it weren't for LIpnitskaia at Sochi... but I'm not a fan of comments like these because I know it just turns others off.

"Turns others off" from what? My comments? There's an ignore list on this forum -- anyone is free to use it... don't care.

Nobody's comments on this forum can change what happens at competitions, they are just opinions.

 

[chuckm]

Neither Gracie nor Alaine will get any additional ISU World Ranking points for this competition because the points earned are lower than points earned in the last two ISU championship events. It won't affect Gracie at all because she is high up in the ISU World ranking order and is assured of being in the top 12 and the final two flights for the short program at Worlds.

Gabrielle Daleman was only 130 points higher on the World Ranking than Alaine going into 4CC, and was the #12 ranked skater of those going to Worlds. So Alaine had only to gain 131 points over her lowest current championship score to top Daleman's score and become #12. That meant finishing 7th or better at 4CC. But unfortunately, Alaine finished 11th.

So Alaine didn't move up, and she isn't in the top 12 (she is #14) and won't be in the final two groups for the SP at Worlds. Gabrielle Daleman is still #12. Even if somehow Osmond is sent to Worlds instead of Daleman, that wouldn't help Alaine, because then Nicole Rajicova (#13) would move up into the top 12, not Alaine.

 

[KwanIsALegend]

I figured out why I am not crazy about Gracie's skating. It is that she seems so stiff and somewhat hard edge. I wish she would loosen up and soften her movements. Slow down her arms so she appears less frantic.
I think she also has a lot o good qualities as well and I hope she has a great showing in Boston.

 

[KwanIsALegend]

Shouldn't Tom Z be overseeing Mirai's music edits? Isn't that part of the job of being an "elite" skating coach? To make sure that every little detail is as perfect as possible?

I agree. The music cuts need to be redone.

 

[Dan]

I think I have figured it out. I thought the Zayak rule said that you could only repeat a jump once and that if you did repeat, the second one had to be in combination. What it says is that you can attempt a jump twice and AT LEAST one of these two attempts has to be a combination. It doesn't say that BOTH attempts can't be in combination. This raises another question. Why aren't the skaters that can do 3L+3T, repeating them? They are only allowed three combination jumps in the free so the third combination would have to be loops instead of toes but why not? Why not do 3F+2L+2L?

 

[dailytg20]

If all goes as planned, I would put Satoko behind the top two Russian women because they have that consistency in addition to their jumping and athleticism being more on point. This year's podium is going to be ruled by the ingenues, and deservedly so in no small part because the aunts and grannies of the sport can't seem to get it together in a reliable manner this year.

One thing I did notice with Satoko upon rewatching her program this morning is that one of the reasons she wasn't giving me high anxiety was the fact that she was one of the only women not chasing her music here. She is hitting moves in sync with every beat right up to the end, and I think that is why her skating has a very soothing effect on a subsconscious level. Watch as she opens up into the spiral position on that chord shift and then goes into her final spin where she punctuates the final 3 piano notes (1) transitioning from the haircutter by raising her free hand quickly, (2) hitting the top of the Bielmann position at the exact second shocked: WHUT?!) and (3) releasing her foot in time. Any lag in the previous 4 minutes could have affected that synchronicity, but there it is. That is pretty special and hard to quantify on first glance when evaluating her skating but it makes an impression. I hope she is able to hold onto that quality while working on her jumps.

RE: Mirai's music. It could definitely use a re-edit, probably along the lines of "less is more." It's a Baz Luhrmann soundtrack, so there is going to be some sonic dissonance but that doesn't translate well to a competitive skating program especially where cohesiveness is seen as a plus.

 

[Osmond4gold]

Neither Gracie nor Alaine will get any additional ISU World Ranking points for this competition because the points earned are lower than points earned in the last two ISU championship events. It won't affect Gracie at all because she is high up in the ISU World ranking order and is assured of being in the top 12 and the final two flights for the short program at Worlds.

Gabrielle Daleman was only 130 points higher on the World Ranking than Alaine going into 4CC, and was the #12 ranked skater of those going to Worlds. So Alaine had only to gain 131 points over her lowest current championship score to top Daleman's score and become #12. That meant finishing 7th or better at 4CC. But unfortunately, Alaine finished 11th.

So Alaine didn't move up, and she isn't in the top 12 (she is #14) and won't be in the final two groups for the SP at Worlds. Gabrielle Daleman is still #12. Even if somehow Osmond is sent to Worlds instead of Daleman, that wouldn't help Alaine, because then Nicole Rajicova (#13) would move up into the top 12, not Alaine.

No problem...Alaine will just have to do it the old fashion way, and earn it! Just like Kaetlyn earned her way back to the top 6 today, in what some on here have suggested, may have been a medal had judges not underscored her PCS in both programs. Getting nervous again, Chuckie?

 

[annzee703]

I figured out why I am not crazy about Gracie's skating. It is that she seems so stiff and somewhat hard edge. I wish she would loosen up and soften her movements. Slow down her arms so she appears less frantic.
I think she also has a lot o good qualities as well and I hope she has a great showing in Boston.

This is what I don't like about GG's skating...that stiff, hard edge presentation. There's no emoting (which is an important part of figure skating even though it's a sport), no indication that she's skating to her music. And her arms are constantly flying upward (as Dick Button used to say, it looks like they're hanging laundry). Mirai also doesn't skate to her music and doesn't show any emotion.

 

[Mathman]

I think I have figured it out. I thought the Zayak rule said that you could only repeat a jump once and that if you did repeat, the second one had to be in combination. What it says is that you can attempt a jump twice and AT LEAST one of these two attempts has to be a combination. It doesn't say that BOTH attempts can't be in combination. This raises another question. Why aren't the skaters that can do 3L+3T, repeating them? They are only allowed three combination jumps in the free so the third combination would have to be loops instead of toes but why not? Why not do 3F+2L+2L?

You don't get any more points by doing 3Lz+3T, solo 3Lz, 3F+3T than be doing 3Lz+3T, 3Lz+3T, solo 3F. Even though you get a lot of points by doing your highest-scoring combo twice, you have to give them back later.

 

[Mathman]

I agree. The music cuts need to be redone.

What's wrong with Mirai's music? The only thing I noticed in this performance was that she was late in getting into the Charleston.