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Uhm, .....

I read the ISU interview this afternoon and have been chewing it over in my mind. Not sure folks will be okay if I try to work this through with you here, but I really don't want to bring this up on the edge.

Perhaps, I wasn't in the flow of info about Patrick and Kathy's way of working, but for me there was something new, and in my experience very unexpected in what Patrick is reported to have said...

After the split with Kathy I trained for myself for two weeks. I spoke to Mike Slipchuk (high performance director) at Skate Canada and they all recommended that I skate on my own, because I had never had the chance to have a session to train by myself. I was always on a lesson with Kathy, every day. That gave me time to experiment and to teach almost myself and just have time to relax and not feel someone watching me all the time.

Not having a session to train on his own seems at first to me like a misreport. Especially, as he didn't seem to be working with a team of coaches, or specialty coaches for jumps, spins etc. as he seems to now be doing at Arctic Edge.

I had to read that several times, and really questioned myself if I was misunderstanding. But not having a session on his own -- when a skater at his level has multiple on ice training sessions a day, which are usually interspersed with various off-ice training modalities --- is something I'm trying to picture in my mind. It sounds to me that he is saying that Kathy was always with him, at every session.

To put this in the context that is familiar to me, independent work is one of the things that parents are warned is characteristic of the sport. While the very lowest levels of figure skaters need to be supervised most of the time, either through group or private lessons, they are expected to start to learn to work independently at what Skate Canada calls the "learn to train" phase. Entry into this stage is targeted at as young as 7 years for girls and 8 for boys.

They may start with only 15 minutes on their own out of a 45-60 minute session a couple of time a week, and their coach is usually keeping a responsible eye out while working with other skaters. But they are working on their own for some of the time from the beginning. And very quickly as they progress, the ratio reverses and they are on their own practicing the dances, skills, and freeskate elements on their own, as well as their program, for the larger part of each session. And if their coach is away, and an alternate lesson can't be arranged, they are expected to do the full session on their own as long as there is a coach on the ice to manage safety. Senior skaters may regularly have some sessions within their week where they work on their own.

So, I would have expected someone at Patrick's level to be spending a significant part of his day on his own. . . And if I am understanding this interview correctly, I can appreciate Mike Slipchuk's guidance, and how Marina, Oleg, and Johnny together could provide the needed coaching support, while being comfortable with the greater independence that Patrick has said was needed.
 
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Uhm, .....

I read the ISU interview this afternoon and have been chewing it over in my mind. Not sure folks will be okay if I try to work this through with you here, but I really don't want to bring this up on the edge.

Perhaps, I wasn't in the flow of info about Patrick and Kathy's way of working, but for me there was something new, and in my experience very unexpected in what Patrick is reported to have said...

After the split with Kathy I trained for myself for two weeks. I spoke to Mike Slipchuk (high performance director) at Skate Canada and they all recommended that I skate on my own, because I had never had the chance to have a session to train by myself. I was always on a lesson with Kathy, every day. That gave me time to experiment and to teach almost myself and just have time to relax and not feel someone watching me all the time.

Not having a session to train on his own seems at first to me like a misreport. Especially, as he didn't seem to be working with a team of coaches, or specialty coaches for jumps, spins etc. as he seems to now be doing at Arctic Edge.

I had to read that several times, and really questioned myself if I was misunderstanding. But not having a session on his own -- when a skater at his level has multiple on ice training sessions a day, which are usually interspersed with various off-ice training modalities --- is something I'm trying to picture in my mind. It sounds to me that he is saying that Kathy was always with him, at every session.

To put this in the context that is familiar to me, independent work is one of the things that parents are warned is characteristic of the sport. While the very lowest levels of figure skaters need to be supervised most of the time, either through group or private lessons, they are expected to start to learn to work independently at what Skate Canada calls the "learn to train" phase. Entry into this stage is targeted at as young as 7 years for girls and 8 for boys.

They may start with only 15 minutes on their own out of a 45-60 minute session a couple of time a week, and their coach is usually keeping a responsible eye out while working with other skaters. But they are working on their own for some of the time from the beginning. And very quickly as they progress, the ratio reverses and they are on their own practicing the dances, skills, and freeskate elements on their own, as well as their program, for the larger part of each session. And if their coach is away, and an alternate lesson can't be arranged, they are expected to do the full session on their own as long as there is a coach on the ice to manage safety. Senior skaters may regularly have some sessions within their week where they work on their own.

So, I would have expected someone at Patrick's level to be spending a significant part of his day on his own. . . And if I am understanding this interview correctly, I can appreciate Mike Slipchuk's guidance, and how Marina, Oleg, and Johnny together could provide the needed coaching support, while being comfortable with the greater independence that Patrick has said was needed.


yeah... i read through this and was wondering what it meant... but perhaps that it is because Kathy was only working with Patrick and was very present in his life? I can totally imagine and I insist on the word imagine because i have no idea what went on, that Kathy, meaning very well for her student, was extremely dedicated and present in his training life.... maybe Patrick felt pressured by her constant guidance. Considering all of the fun pictures of his time this summer, doing backflips and jumping from cliffs, maybe the guy just needed a bit of space?

I hope that with time, whatever happened this summer will be behind them and that they both can appreciate what they have given to each other.
 
I don't have a clear idea of what happened leading to Kathy's resignation with the info we have. Patrick says they were very close and he keeps bringing her up in a positive and respectful manner about the work they did this summer that he's continuing. I feel they still care very much for each other and value the relationship they had/have. i do not wish to speculate what happened. It is good, as Patrick says so himself, that he has a focus to keep him busy and happy.

As for working alone, he has said that he was used to it because Kathy wasn't always physically with him. I've oft opined the importance of letting someone, especially Patrick at his level of skating, find their unique and personal way. Coaches are not able to do what he can do, or to feel exactly what it's like doing what he does. They are there to observe and notice the little things that can be improved theorically and to impart that knowledge with understanding. It is more of a collaboration than teaching and learning. More proposals and trials and tweaking than strict demands to follow. I think Kathy understood that and Marina does too. I am happy that Patrick finds the right mentorship and environment for him to thrive.

4everchan expressed beautifully the sentiment of Patrick skating to music he resonates fully with. It shows and it will be even more wonderful. It is a gift to skating fans too. And to Eric. The Universe is fair and clever to arrange such a win-win opportunity for two World Champions who are good friends and beautiful people. Good things happen that are beyond our designs when we are happily trusting our hearts and following our bliss, especially the voilet kind. ;)
 
Good to know that things are getting easier on you. :luv17: Looking forward to read your fan site soon. :hap10:.
Lol, more material for a photochan... Even though his eyes are saying, "Noooo! Please don't!"

Hope you all are doing well. I hope things are slowing down on my end so I can work on the fan site. Must... update... site...
 
https://twitter.com/ifsmagazine/status/788450513721430016

Patrick Chan is planning to include a quad Salchow in his LP at Skate Canada. Nathan Chen now training full-time in Canton.

Ahhhh, Brothers Chean now training together. This will be very good for both

Let's all support Patrick with the same energy and state of mind we wish for him for Skate Canada and for his 4S debut.

I am having a really good feeling about his two programs. :2thumbs:
 
Ahhhh, Brothers Chean now training together. This will be very good for both

Let's all support Patrick with the same energy and state of mind we wish for him for Skate Canada and for his 4S debut.

I am having a really good feeling about his two programs. :2thumbs:
looking forward to seeing that beautiful 4S ;) especially when he adds it to the SP as well ;) :dev2:
 
yup... that's what I thought... what he says about Kathy... they got too close, it became difficult to deal with. The split is best in such cases.

It sounds like it was deeply saddening at the end, once the high emotions had passed.

I'm really glad that Patrick is acknowledging that Marina has encouraged him to reach out to Kathy. She also has been diplomatic and praising regarding Nathan's previous coaching situation. This can only contribute to a positive environment going forward.

The thing that I found very interesting is that Patrick acknowledged that he'd had some worry about how Marina might be as a coach at a major competition. And that at Findlandia he'd found her just what he needed and had really come to appreciate Marina's experience as a World and Olympic level coach.
 
It sounds like it was deeply saddening at the end, once the high emotions had passed.

I'm really glad that Patrick is acknowledging that Marina has encouraged him to reach out to Kathy. She also has been diplomatic and praising regarding Nathan's previous coaching situation. This can only contribute to a positive environment going forward.

The thing that I found very interesting is that Patrick acknowledged that he'd had some worry about how Marina might be as a coach at a major competition. And that at Findlandia he'd found her just what he needed and had really come to appreciate Marina's experience as a World and Olympic level coach.

i guess Patrick has his routine and was worried about how it would be with someone new? Kathy was instrumental to his success at least in one occasions at Skate Canada last year when he was very nervous... these relationships take such a long time to develop so it's normal I would say, that he was a bit worried about that. For instance, every time I work with other musicians, some I haven't worked with before, I have to adapt my pre show rhythm with them... or even sometimes isolate myself... some people like to be hyper before a show, some like peace and quiet... i need space at one point, especially right before going on stage but i can be somewhat social 30 minutes before... some are the opposite... etc... so, I don't see too much to worry about here, IMHO he is just saying that he was happy to discover how well she understood his particular needs. Here, he relates this to her experience with other top level athletes... however, I think that she's smarter than just experienced. I think she truly understands what her role is : allow Patrick to deliver his best ever performance at the games. Huge task. She seems okay with it ;) that shows a lot of confidence. Not everybody can step into such shoes! She seems to be the right person for the job.
 
There's a teeny bit more different details in this version of Lori Ewing's article:

Chan says his past with Johnson, and future with Zoueva is recipe for success

I would be interested to know whether Patrick still plans on working with Kathy at his skating school in the future, but that's not a big concern right now.

Still working on the first of two blog posts before Skate Canada, and I hope to post it soon...



My post-Finlandia roundup post, trying to catch all the things that have come out since the competition:

http://pcskatingfan.com/2016/10/patrick-chan-post-finlandia-media-roundup/
 
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My post-Finlandia roundup post, trying to catch all the things that have come out since the competition:

http://pcskatingfan.com/2016/10/patrick-chan-post-finlandia-media-roundup/

Hi vivley

I notice that you've picked up on the Zueva spelling of Marina's family name in English that seems to have come into use...

Not sure if you followed the discussion on the edge about translating and pronouncing names a couple of weeks back...

Unlike Chinese, for example, which has a single accepted transliteration protocol through Pinyin, there are at least 3 different accepted systems for transliteration of Russian Cyrillic into English.

When Marina immigrated to Canada in the 1990s she evidently chose Zoueva to be the latinized version of her legal name. Any media coverage from that time spells her name Zoueva.

Given that she landed in Ottawa, it makes sense to me that she chose a transliteration option that works in both English and French. It would also be the spelling of her name when she became a Canadian citizen. And it is still the way she spells her name on her club's website, which indicates that it is still her legal name in the Latin alphabet, and the one she chooses to use.

I'd like to make a friendly suggestion to you and others who are Patrick's fans to honour Marina's choice and stick with Zoueva.

We've seen something similar with Lubov Ilyuschechkina who chose a different transliteration of her name than the ISU had given her. But Ilyuschechkina is now her legal name in the Latin alphabet so the ISU has now updated its database.

And as an aside, I'm not sure who has been editing her Wikipedia page to suggest that Zueva is the correct English version and Zoueva the French alternative. It just doesn't reflect the reality of the challenge of translating Cyrillic into the Latin alphabet.
 
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