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2017 Four Continents Men SP

what I find funny is that in the top six planned for final flight, nobody is putting another quadster, Kevin Reynolds who has 6 quads planned , 2+4 ;)

he is not on the radar and fair enough, may not be in the final flights at all... but yeah... he is up there in terms of number of quads attempted ;)
 
Now it's time to predict on what page of this thread will start discussion regarding THE ACTUAL MEN'S SP.
i think the issue is that very few people will be able to watch the men's SP live LOL with a start right in the middle of the night... so the before the event thread may be longer than the actual competition thread....
 
i think the issue is that very few people will be able to watch the men's SP live LOL with a start right in the middle of the night... so the before the event thread may be longer than the actual competition thread....

Or, this event is being expected to be very unpredictable and very exciting with the match up of veteran winners and unprecedented number of quads and young phenomenal quadsters.
 
Or, this event is being expected to be very unpredictable and very exciting with the match up of veteran winners and unprecedented number of quads and young phenomenal quadsters.

but that's a given ;) the quadsters always bring a crowd...but how many pages will be written live vs before and after the event remains intriguing :)
 
Except these events may become splatfests of epic proportions... :rolleye: I mean, it's admirable that they are pushing the sport forward, but the pace is soooo dramatic, I'm not sure the resulting learning curve of subpar performances and underwhelming competitions are what the general audience will be pleased to witness. :slink:

Sochi was a splatfest with much less difficulty attempted. I think the Olympics Men LP is going to be an ugly, ugly event.
 
but that's a given ;) the quadsters always bring a crowd...but how many pages will be written live vs before and after the event remains intriguing :)

I predict that this will be 25 pages before the event. Another 20 for the event and 40 arguing over the results. Make it 60 if Nathan has the misfortune to win over Hanyu.
 
I predict that this will be 25 pages before the event. Another 20 for the event and 40 arguing over the results. Make it 60 if Nathan has the misfortune to win over Hanyu.


and don't forget to add another 20 for Hanyu vs Chan :laugh2:
 
honestly, so many of you talk about Boyang's improved skating..... erm yes... a bit but a couple shoulder shimmies and big smiles to the audience while he is clowning in la strada is not good enough... skating skills shall be seen on the ice ;) not in the face or shoulders.... spins need a lot of work still as well... flow and transitions too...

Wow, and that from the poster who got on his high horse towards another poster just up thread about belittling a skater?
Yes, guess what, people talking about Boyangs improvements don't mean 'big smilies', but actual improvements: his edges are better, he holds them longer, he gains speed faster, there is more choreography, more steps between the technical elements and more diversity of them. What you belittle there as 'big smilies' is also a lot more than that - he pays more attention to the audience, uses more energy to encage them... that is not easy. And while his improvements in all single areas might be only 'Okay', improving in all of them at the same time is a very good achievement and deserves respect.
Nobody says he should get Chan PCS (seriously, no). But it's not as if the judges would score him anywhere close anyway.
 
Shoma is adding a 4Lo. Oh, testosterone is a strong drug!

I long for the days when men added new jumps at the beginning of the season rather than just before worlds!

This statement may be misconstrued as far as this year is concerned. Please add natural before the word testosterone and change the word drug to hormone.
 
i think the issue is that very few people will be able to watch the men's SP live LOL with a start right in the middle of the night... so the before the event thread may be longer than the actual competition thread....

4everchan you know you will wake up. Except the last time you slept through Patrick's SP but woke up for everyone else's.
 
This statement may be misconstrued as far as this year is concerned. Please add natural before the word testosterone and change the word drug to hormone.

Huh? You think they'll declare that a drug and have it banned? What's next water and air?
 
Two different approaches are examplified by Chan and Hanyu. Chan has always been of the steady progress and incremental difficulty level sort, even restarting from a lower BV upon his comeback. Hanyu, OTOH, stubbornly sticks to his ultimate goal and program with all the jumps he wants to accomplish. Along the way, they both have some up and down competition results. Chan got three World titles, stays healthy and at 26 is still upping his game, adding more and new jumps to his programs. Hanyu incurs injuries, won one World title and smashed Chan's World Records with scores and performances that are hard to repeat. He is competing with the new generation of jumping phenoms in the numbers of different quads as their arsenals.

(I'm excluding the Olympic medals in this comparison because it was a case of who did worse on a day both were not proud of their performances.)

I always wondered why most people think GPF medal is not worthy of mentioning as achievements~
 
Wow, and that from the poster who got on his high horse towards another poster just up thread about belittling a skater?
Yes, guess what, people talking about Boyangs improvements don't mean 'big smilies', but actual improvements: his edges are better, he holds them longer, he gains speed faster, there is more choreography, more steps between the technical elements and more diversity of them. What you belittle there as 'big smilies' is also a lot more than that - he pays more attention to the audience, uses more energy to encage them... that is not easy. And while his improvements in all single areas might be only 'Okay', improving in all of them at the same time is a very good achievement and deserves respect.
Nobody says he should get Chan PCS (seriously, no). But it's not as if the judges would score him anywhere close anyway.

ermm... and wow... said the same poster who actually just renamed him superboy'ang :) in that same post where I did argue that Javi earned his European title and had to skate for it. Yeah... I am not willing to belittle Javi's achievements and I am not in here belittling Boyang's either. I think you are making a whole lot out of an excerpt of my post which is far beyond what I have written in context. If you choose to read my post in a tone that to you means belittling, that's up to you.

The truth and the matter for me, is that while I see many people hyping up Boyang's improvement in the PCS department, I do NOT see it... I see an energetic and engaging performer, which he was already. I do not see the quality you are describing... Sorry... call me blind if you wish but do not think I am blinded. On top of that, compared to last year, he has been landing his jumps with even less flow and quality... which IMHO diminishes a lot of the excitement he provided last year with big well landed quads. Adding a quad loop instead of actual skating content in his LP will not help IMHO.

So allow me to rephrase in a very politically correct manner, not that I need to do so but just so that my post doesn't get misconstrued any further.

Honestly, so many of you talk about Boyang's improved skating, however, whatever you point out, I see only very minor improvement in the actual skating if at all. He has improved in engaging with the audience but that was already part of his strength as he has a great sense of humour and energy, so to me, it's not good enough to justify higher scores. I would like him to work more on his spins, his flow and transitions before I can agree to increase his component scores.

I'd add that Boyang has tremendous potential, beyond even imaginable, but right now, the overall experience is too rough for me to even see him as a podium contender... I am not saying he won't repeat last year's bronze. I am simply saying that's not IMHO the kind of skating I would reward and that there are other skaters with big jumps right now who feel more complete.
 
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I always wondered why most people think GPF medal is not worthy of mentioning as achievements~

i think that GPF is important but I can understand why some people don't see it as a major competition. Yes, it does feature the top 6 qualifying skaters of the GP but some years, you may find the 6 best skaters of the world and some other years, like for instance this year, you are missing the previous year 's 3rd and 4th place finisher at WC. The fact that there is a draw for GPs throughout the season, making it extremely difficult for some teams to even qualify while others have an easier road adds to that feeling.

As I said, I do not think it's a useless and unworthy achievement...but I can see why some people wouldn't care much about its significance.... Worlds championships feature a large number of skaters.... GPF is one flight.
 
i think that GPF is important but I can understand why some people don't see it as a major competition. Yes, it does feature the top 6 qualifying skaters of the GP but some years, you may find the 6 best skaters of the world and some other years, like for instance this year, you are missing the previous year 's 3rd and 4th place finisher at WC. The fact that there is a draw for GPs throughout the season, making it extremely difficult for some teams to even qualify while others have an easier road adds to that feeling.

As I said, I do not think it's a useless and unworthy achievement...but I can see why some people wouldn't care much about its significance.... Worlds championships feature a large number of skaters.... GPF is one flight.

........yes, the last flight. Yes I think GPF is major and prestigious, ranked after the Olympics and World Championships.
 
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