2017 Worlds Free Dance

[Skater Boy]

Why do you want Weaver / Poje to change their coach? They just made a change - from Krylova to Morozov ...

I am not sure Morozov has captured who they are or rather been able to define who they are and I am not sure he is an ice dance coach anyways plus, which is wrong to worry about, I am worried he may want to snare Kaitlyn. His track record isn't great and that type of drama is not required. They showed some practices I hate the way he eyes her like some kind of prey. It looks like he is eying her more than for her technique.

 

[medvedevasocks]

You don't have to explain your feelings and opinions if you don't want to. (Ah the joys of being older, at some point you realize that you don't have to justify anything to anyone but yourself).

I would not have been surprised to see V/M put second in the event but I do think this is probably the right result. French 1st in the long, V/M first overall if that trip was not on the element and it seems like it was questionable in the minds of the judges. Take comfort. I'm sure G/P are a lot happier now than they were before the FD. They nearly won. They are closer than they were in the GPF. Should give them extra incentive for next year. They already have 2 world titles. All that is missing is Olympic Gold.
I just hope they finally get their SD problems figured out.

P&C have never been a top SD team really. They havent even won the SD at the Europeans yet in their 3 wins, that is freaking amazing considering all the other best teams are really Canadian and American today, with C&L only bit contenders since their 2014 world title and B&S these days only bit contenders too for the most part.

It is the first time it is starting to cost them though, even costing them a world title now. Maybe that will be incentive to finally improve their always relatively speaking mediocre (for such a top team) short dances.

 

[medvedevasocks]

it also mostly depends on pairs and men who are at the just a couple days after the team event.... last time canada used their second competitor in pairs and men to save their top teams...and they should do the same in pairs for sure... in men it depends because patrick is clearly above the 2nd canadian man

I think pairs and ladies are the two events that make most sense to split sadly so that could make W&P miss out again. Definitely wont use a 2nd man this time I think, Reynolds is no longer competitive really. I think pairs splits for sure, then it will be a choice between ladies and dance. Arguably Osmond and Daleman both deserve an Olympic medal right now more than Weaver & Poje anyway though now that I think about it.

 

[elif]

Ben Agosto made an interesting comment about Bobrova and Soliev's skating skills. He mentioned that their bent at the waist and forward shoulders are not considered proper skating posture and therefore should be reflected in their skating marks. They certainly have gotten the Russian drama down but I am just not feeling the top 3 FD marks.

Posture I think only counts in Performance mark now. But I agree it should count on skating skills and transitions as well. Bobrova and Stepanova use this posture for getting speed. It should effect skating skills score since they don't use edges,knees but bending body. I also find even crossovers in that positioons very ugly. It become even more ugly in holds. Transitions score should reflect that. But especially skating skills.

 

[Sackie]

With V/M winning here and W/P finishing 4and and our 2 Ladies medals - does that mean CAN is the top team at worlds this year? And also of note all but our 3rd Pairs team made the top 10! And I am not so sure that S/B shouldn't have been in the top 10 here!

 

[Kittosuni]

Looks like TES is going to be the name of the game going to the Olympics. PCS of all teams except P/C and V/M are so close now so teams need to hit their levels all the time. That bronze medal is open to everyone now since the judges seem not afraid to score teams with 2 solid routine

 

[ancientpeas]

I think pairs and ladies are the two events that make most sense to split sadly so that could make W&P miss out again. Definitely wont use a 2nd man this time I think, Reynolds is no longer competitive really. I think pairs splits for sure, then it will be a choice between ladies and dance. Arguably Osmond and Daleman both deserve an Olympic medal right now more than Weaver & Poje anyway though now that I think about it.

If Patrick doesn't want to skate both Skate Canada would never try to force him. And everyone assumes Kevin. It might be Nam or someone else.

 

[Skater Boy]

oh la la gabriella and guillaume!!

so happy that this fd that so many dislike got a world record. you were the best tonight. thank you thank you. when i saw the tes score didn't believe it.

H/D too bad they were space for them.

W/P 4th!!!! bravo

now i knew that even if V/M made mistake the french will be second because of the sd score. but the score they got really? 116 with mistake. no
didier was pissed at french tv.

it seems that if you are virtue and moir you can:

- fall and not lose point
- have not perfect twizzles can get a level 4
-make mistake ang get 58 in tes
-make mistake and get 116

and the best (to me the worst) thing is that everyone is fine with it.

i'm not bitter or angry or a bad loser and the last thing i want it's to be mean. but don't want that to happen next year at olympic game!!! please please. that's all ;

I agree to a point but P/c h ave been overscored for years especially pcs and especially considering Gabby is not of the same level which should affect not only tech but pcs. Unequally yoked is not attractive on the ice. And that is the thing Cizeron is a dancer and moves like one. He is a pretty good skater but he isn't Patrick Chan and I know there was a comparison. i agree artistically Cizeron is better to watch than Patrick but this is ice dance (skating) and that is why I think PC are overmarked. this is skating not dance. if it wre dance Cizeron would and shouldwin = even his costumes are somewhat reminiscent of more of a modern dance look - showing so much skin.

 

[yuna13]

You don't have to explain your feelings and opinions if you don't want to. (Ah the joys of being older, at some point you realize that you don't have to justify anything to anyone but yourself).

I would not have been surprised to see V/M put second in the event but I do think this is probably the right result. French 1st in the long, V/M first overall if that trip was not on the element and it seems like it was questionable in the minds of the judges. Take comfort. I'm sure P/C are a lot happier now than they were before the FD. They nearly won. They are closer than they were in the GPF. Should give them extra incentive for next year. They already have 2 world titles. All that is missing is Olympic Gold.
I just hope they finally get their SD problems figured out.

Edited to fix the G/P=P/C problem I seem to have developed.

you're the best.

 

[Ilvskating]

Scott fell, right? In element or not , a fall counts for a fall, and there is a mandatory deduction of 1 point. Not deduction for Scott though.

 

[reneerose]

I'm not very familiar with deductions for choreography restrictions....what does that exactly mean? Seems quite a few teams had deductions for that. http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1617/fc2017/fc2017_IceDance_FD_Scores.pdf

Also did Zach and Scott trip on the same portion of the ice? Was really weird to see that happen uncharacteristically to both??

 

[rain]

Scott fell, right? In element or not , a fall counts for a fall, and there is a mandatory deduction of 1 point. Not deduction for Scott though.

He did not fall. He stumbled and put his hand to the ice. It was obviously (and correctly, in my opinion) determined that his weight was still over his feet. Thus it did not count as a fall, no deduction.

 

[ancientpeas]

you're the best.

:blush: Not really. The best is the guy in my avatar: A German Shepherd named Eli who came running when I gasped super loud when Zachary fell. He also sneezed so hard yesterday he toppled off my bed and landed on his feet and then shook himself and looked around to make sure I wasn't laughing at him before acting like nothing had happened.

 

[labgoat]

Change to a country that doesnt consider them #3. Believe it or not I think to the CSA they are #3 behind Gilles & Poirier. Notice how at Nationals they had lower PCS than G&P, the only place that happened.

Also make up a story they are long lost siblings from long ago, and just realizing that now, so they get a bonus 10 points each competition before setting foot on the ice for the cute story of being siblings like Shibutanis seem to.

Choose love carrot music and sell a romance like Meryl & Max on DWTS

 

[Skater Boy]

V/M and P/C have the same base value. PCS (slightly) higher for P/C

One thing that surprised me : Scott skating seemed more flat than usual after the fall... I guess I can be distracting but you could really notice it. I know they have that fire to win but they shouldn't let it get your head like that... for what it's worth I wouldn't have gave them 116 to be honest, if it were ANY other team, this forum would have gone on fire ^^

Well the problem is or challenge is sorry is that there are e xtremes in love with the likes of P/C, V/M, Pogo, shibsibs, chock and bates, Kostner, Hanyu, Nathan Chen, Javier, Sui and Han, Savchenko and Massot, Uno, Jason Brown, C/L in dance o n this website. Logic is defied. And there are extremes almost hate - Chan and Duhamel and Radford. You can't argue logic. They will always say their direct rivals are overmarked, they are awesome, the best. I agree V and M made an error; not sure if you look in the rule book it was a fall but they should have won as they had a lead and this is my bias I really dont think especially in the sd P/C should be scoring such high pcs. In the end V and M probably should have won. Easy arguments p.c should have been lower in the sd for many reasons. But regardless I stillthink pc will win OGM. They have the flow and Didier lol. I don't think they deserve necessarily to get such high scores because Gabby really isn't an equal to Guillaume - watch the edges, the blade work, the sureness of glide and skate - nope it isn't there.

 

[ancientpeas]

Choose love carrot music and sell a romance like Meryl & Max on DWTS

What the heck is love carrot music? Does it have something to do with naughty rabbits? Bugs Bunny? Carrot top porn?

 

[WeakAnkles]

I see your point, but I think that is unfair and flawed thinking when W&P could still be in contention for medals today even as Canadian #2 with more CSA support. Just look here, if the fed had not completely dumped them in favor of V&M and to push for scores for the Canadian #3 but politically #2 Gilles & Poirier they would have gotten the bronze here, even with the typical gross overscoring of both the Shibutanis and Bobrova & Soloviev. So they are wasting potential medals now for potential future medals which are even less likely to happen than W&P getting on the podium today, even as Canadian #2, is.

Good Lord, I don't think I've read a post I disagree with more in ages. There should be some prize for that.

Here you go...

 

[maddiesparks]

Free dance press conference is going live soon. Should be interesting...

 

[ancientpeas]

Free dance press conference is going live soon. Should be interesting...

Can you hook us up with a link?

 

[Skater Boy]

With V/M winning here and W/P finishing 4and and our 2 Ladies medals - does that mean CAN is the top team at worlds this year? And also of note all but our 3rd Pairs team made the top 10! And I am not so sure that S/B shouldn't have been in the top 10 here!

It depends on how you compare the teams.

I suppose the way they look at the olympics is:

China (pairs), Russia (women) Japan (men) Canada (dance are tied as they all won gold.

The tie reaker is that Canada has a silver and bronze; China nothing, Russia a bronze, Japan a silver, so the ranking would be Canada first, followed by Japan and then Russia with China in fourth.

Now looking at an olympic team the results would probably be a little different keeping in mind they go with ordinals so Japan doesn't get penalized in ice dance and dance as much. Still Canada would be reasonably in first followed by Russia, USA (those three teams are reasonably close and then then Japan and the rest.