No ThreePeat WGM

[pETEs (Sasha Fan)]

Going into the 2017 Helsinki WC, there was huge anticipation since the Men's, Pairs and Ice Dance disciplines had each his/their two-time-straight World Champions ready to defend their titles. A the end, neither Fernández, nor D/R, nor P/C could manage to defend their back-to-back World Titles.

What is the lecture you made of this fact, in each case, through the omniscient ISU crystals and in the Olympic season Eve?

 

[Mathman]

It's hard to win three world championships in a row. It's hard to win two.

It's hard to win one.

 

[Rissa]

It doesn't bode well for Medvedeva. I see dark clouds coming. I don't know yet whether they're shaped like injury or teenage rebellion or Alina Zagitova, but they're coming.

 

[Violet Bliss]

It's hard to win three world championships in a row. It's hard to win two.

It's hard to win one.

Patrick Chan won three back to back Worlds titles. The only one under COP scoring.

Multiple Worlds titles make a skater a favorite in the Olympics but it does not necessarily transpire into a win. For every competition, the odds are all new.

 

[Blades of Passion]

Patrick Chan won three back to back Worlds titles.

LOL, we all know he only really won in 2011.

It doesn't bode well for Medvedeva. I see dark clouds coming. I don't know yet whether they're shaped like injury or teenage rebellion or Alina Zagitova, but they're coming.

More likely is Medvedeva simply won't compete at Worlds next year anyway, after winning Olympics.

 

[Violet Bliss]

LOL, we all know he only really won in 2011.

Who are you all? Never mind.

More likely is Medvedeva simply won't compete at Worlds next year anyway, after winning Olympics.

You all know that already? Never mind.

 

[Blades of Passion]

Who are you all?

Perhaps you've missed the hundreds of skaters, coaches, and various knowledgeable spectators who have decried Chan's 2012 and especially 2013 wins? Of course, you haven't, but I get that you're proud of relative amount of dominance Chan had in the sport for a few years. It's quite common knowledge by now that the majority feels those titles were wrongly judged. Perhaps we can have a poll here and let it be known once and for all!

You all know that already?

"more likely".

 

[Violet Bliss]

Perhaps you've missed the hundreds of skaters, coaches, and various knowledgeable spectators who have decried Chan's 2012 and especially 2013 wins? Of course, you haven't, but I get that you're proud of relative amount of dominance Chan had in the sport for a few years. It's quite common knowledge by now that the majority feels those titles were wrongly judged. Perhaps we can have a poll here and let it be known once and for all!

There are many skaters, coaches and various knowledgeable spectators extremely impressed with Chan's skating, and most importantly, the official judges at the Championships.

A forum poll to decide a world champion once and for all?

Try dethroning your president with a forum poll, any poll, after the election.

 

[Ziotic]

Does anyone have, or know where I can find a list of who will be skating at the gala?

 

[Violet Bliss]

Does anyone have, or know where I can find a list of who will be skating at the gala?

https://twitter.com/absoluteskating/status/848276266826567684

 

[Blades of Passion]

There are many skaters, coaches and various knowledgeable spectators extremely impressed with Chan's skating

Who said otherwise? Doesn't mean they think he deserved to win. I'm sure some people of course will continue to think of it as sour grapes, but safeguarding accurate history is important to me. When an accounting mistake happens, you don't just treat it as accurate forever more, simply because it's written on a piece of paper.

A forum poll to decide a world champion once and for all?

The results of any figure skating Championship are based upon a poll of 12 people (9 judges, 3 tech specialists). The opinions of those people are not more worthwhile than that of the hundreds of other people who are equally as capable, or more capable, of judging what happened.

 

[Violet Bliss]

BOP, neither you nor I nor our debate nor any poll you can set up will decide any world champion, past or future, so I will stop engaging in this pointless discussion.

Official record, which will outlast you and me, says Patrick Chan won 2011, 1012 and 2013 ISU figure skating World Championships in Men event.

 

[Blades of Passion]

Official record, which will outlast you and me, says Patrick Chan won 2011, 1012 and 2013 ISU figure skating World Championships in Men event.

Nope. The official record is nothing but words on a piece of paper, words which nobody will ever see in the first place unless they follow the sport anyway. Those who care about the sport will watch the performances on video decades from now and come to their own conclusions. No different than how the majority of Best Picture Oscar winners are not treated as the best films of their year by history, simply because it was written on a piece of paper by a small selection of people at one point in time.

 

[NanaPat]

Nope. The official record is nothing but words on a piece of paper, words which nobody will ever see in the first place unless they follow the sport anyway. Those who care about the sport will watch the performances on video decades from now and come to their own conclusions. No different than how the majority of Best Picture Oscar winners are not treated as the best films of their year by history, simply because it was written on a piece of paper by a small selection of people at one point in time.

"History" may say that picture X was better than picture Y, in hindsight and as tastes change. History does not say that picture X won the Oscar if it did not. So history may say that by today's standards, Xs skate was better than Ys. It does not say that X is "the true champion". The champion is the one the ISU says it is.

Not to mention the fact that you are equating your opinion with "everybody's" and todays opinion with "history's".

 

[Violet Bliss]

Figure skating World Championships are organized by the ISU and decided by ISU rules. Fine if you have your own world champion but for an official one, you need to form your own organization to sponsor a world competition according to your rules. But you can't infringe on a trade mark or alter ISU's results and titles. If you don't like Miss World, organize a Miss Universe contest.

 

[linkintank]

Patrick Chan won three back to back Worlds titles. The only one under COP scoring.

Multiple Worlds titles make a skater a favorite in the Olympics but it does not necessarily transpire into a win. For every competition, the odds are all new.

and I'm sure he would give those up for an Olympic Gold Medal in the Men's discipline.

 

[Violet Bliss]

and I'm sure he would give those up for an Olympic Gold Medal in the Men's discipline.

You so sure? Did you make him an offer?

 

[pETEs (Sasha Fan)]

You so sure? Did you make him an offer?

Anyone would trade a handful of World titles for one Olympic Gold Medal. It is charged with a symbolism, history and impact that the ISU WC doesn't. It sounds quite plausible as an inner-thought.

 

[Violet Bliss]

Anyone would trade a handful of World titles for one Olympic Gold Medal. It is charged with a symbolism, history and impact that the ISU WC doesn't. It sounds quite plausible as an inner-thought.

Another person speaking for everybody. Don't you think people treasure honours they worked hard to earn? Patrick also has two Olympic Silver medals besides his Worlds titles, none of which I believe he would want to give up. I'm sure Patrick, and most athletes, would love a genuine Olympic Gold Medal, but not an imaginary one by an imaginary trade. Lysacek has the 2010 OGM and Hanyu the 2014 one and they are theirs to keep and treasure.

 

[pETEs (Sasha Fan)]

Another person speaking for everybody. Don't you think people treasure honours they worked hard to earn? Patrick also has two Olympic Silver medals besides his Worlds titles, none of which I believe he would want to give up. I'm sure Patrick, and most athletes, would love a genuine Olympic Gold Medal, but not an imaginary one by an imaginary trade. Lysacek has the 2010 OGM and Hanyu the 2014 one and they are theirs to keep and treasure.

I'm not speaking for anybody other than myself, Ms. Violet; I just pointed out that an Olympic Gold Medal is universally regarded as a higher achievement than one, two, three or more World Gold Medals. The Olympics is the end-it-all of sports (especially the sport of figure skating).