2018 Worlds Mens Free Skate

[Hayashi]

I'm talking about the japanese men's future in figure skating. After Shoma's olympic interviews (where he said he felt nothing, like, nothing special about the olys) i realised that he doesn't want it that much- the winning. That's why he is not winning things, he just doesn't want it that much

I think Shoma like more to improve his skating than the winning part. But one thing led to the other so I think it's just a matter of time. He showed high level before and I think he will keep working hard. His progress has been great and fast

 

[Hayashi]

Thank you for the links again, I could not have seen the WC without your help.

I'm sad for Boyang, I don't understand what happened to him. Hope he recover for the next competition if he is injured or something like that.

I'm happy with Shoma's fight, he did his best for his team and I understand he feel better doing this than withdrawing even when I'm still concerned about his current injury state, hope he didn't get worst and hope he take some rest now.

Shoma's performance was not that bad under the circumstances. He manage to do the combos and the 3A after his 3 falls which is really impressive. He finally was able to save the 3 spots for Japan.

I congrats Nathan for the winning even when I personally don't like his style, he is all jumps, but he certainly did the best performance in this WC

 

[friedbanana]

Bless Nathan for delivering. Congrats to the medalists! Please rest, Shoma...and BOYANG JIN 2022 OLYMPIC CHAMP

 

[gacchan]

1. Felt nothing special doesn't mean Shoma didn't work hard on it/ try his best. Actually Shoma tried his best in EVERY competition.
2. It could be easily misunderstood from Shoma's response as he didn't elaborate his answer in most of interviews. Perhaps you should watch the interview by Sakurai sho?
https://twitter.com/winkysakurai/status/968234348750221314 (credit to miso who post this in shoma fanfest, as well as whom translated it to English)
3. From many other interviews (not in oly) Shoma said he hates losing, so definitely it isn't how you think about him

I'm talking about the japanese men's future in figure skating. After Shoma's olympic interviews (where he said he felt nothing, like, nothing special about the olys) i realised that he doesn't want it that much- the winning. That's why he is not winning things, he just doesn't want it that much

 

[Sabrina]

I think Aliev was quite good, and I see him higher than 6. I haven't checked the protocols, still his skating was refreshing when compared to last group except for Chen.

 

[moonkat]

Yes, look it up and see for yourself. I haven’t watched the movie but I’ve not seen anything resembling that collar in the stills, and it certainly doesn’t look like the collar of traditional Chinese menswear.

No, it's not Mao styled, but it looks like hanfu like in Mulan.

 

[colormyworld240]

This last group... When it started with Shoma everyone was like okay this is Zagitova part 2. Then the next skaters went and it was like... part 3 4 5. They all need to just go on a long vacation.

 

[demarinis5]

I'm talking about the japanese men's future in figure skating. After Shoma's olympic interviews (where he said he felt nothing, like, nothing special about the olys) i realised that he doesn't want it that much- the winning. That's why he is not winning things, he just doesn't want it that much

Shoma did say the Olympics was nothing special, another competition. Do you read or speak Japanese? I think you may be losing something in the interpretation of Shoma's words.
He never said he does not want to win. It is a competition afterall.

Shoma came with the mindset to win the Olympics. His own words "I knew it would be difficult to get Gold but after watching the men before me I did the math and I knew if I skated clean
I could do it but after the fall on the quad loop I knew the gold was gone." Does that sound like someone who does not want to win.

Today he skated for 3 spots for Japan period. He knew in his condition it was very difficult for him to medal never mind win it just so happened that the other men were not perfect either
and that is how Sho won the Silver. Ice is slippery

 

[nguyhm]

No, it's not Mao styled, but it looks like hanfu like in Mulan.

I read somewhere that it's a mirror of the collar on the hanbok - an homage to Korea where the Olympics were held.
https://www.google.com/search?q=kor...HC6wKHfOSBUYQ9QEIkQEwFw#imgrc=hRpiB8-LNa0cOM:

 

[williewonka]

looks like hanfu like in Mulan.

Yes, homage to the hosts Milan.

 

[Heleng]

No, it's not Mao styled, but it looks like hanfu like in Mulan.

Well, unlike hanfu the traditional hambok always has that distinctive Y shape collar in stark white, like Nathan’s, but maybe they were both inspirations. Regardless, I love that styling detail.

 

[Olympic]

I was just having a conversation with the other person. What are you so pressed about ...

You are not offering a constructive critique. You are being gratuitously negative about the winner

 

[matmuh]

223 from WC2017. Nathan almost edged out Yuzu's GPF2015 record of 219.48 but missed it by .02

Nathan has the largest point margin in a championship event.

actually Javi has the largest point margin with 60 points from 2016 Europeans
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1516/ec2016/CAT001RS.HTM

unless you mean only worlds

 

[cchen24]

Oh no not just the PCS, Nathan's GOEs are worth complaining about too. Look, if this is the 6.0 system and Nathan did by far the best of the night nobody would have said anything. But this is the IJS, the supposedly objective system that doesn't matter what competition you are in. A 9 in SS is supposed to mean the same thing across competition. So people have the right to complain when Nathan's scores or Shoma's scores do not match the standard of the 9s/8s seen in the last few years.

And nobody is mad Nathan win for god's sake. Of course he deserves the win.

It is naive to think this sport is ever going to be so-called "objective". No matter how you tweak the rules, it is always going to be subjective, in some ways.

Back in 2005-2006, I don't remember seeing any 9s in PCS.
8's were considered great, excellent back then.
These days, the judges hand out 9s like candy bars.
Wait, I should say 10s.
You think PCS should be an absolute value across competitions?

In my opinion, this scoring system is still quite subjective, and I fear it will always be, including GOEs.

Like someone else said, the judges gave 88.86 points in PCS to Shoma with a very flawed performance.
Thus, the judges would have no choice but to boost up Nathan's PCS with a much cleaner and way more difficult program.
You may disagree, but this is how it played out.

Also, I will certainly not try to justify the scores. I did not hand out the scores, so I don't see why I have to justify them.
You may question the scores, but it is your opinion. Many may disagree with you.
That is exactly what I mean by subjectivity of the sport.

Now, keep on complaining...

 

[dalenofff]

It is naive to think this sport is ever going to be so-called "objective". No matter how you tweak the rules, it is always going to be subjective, in some ways.

Back in 2005-2006, I don't remember seeing any 9s in PCS.
8's were considered great, excellent back then.
These days, the judges hand out 9s like candy bars.
Wait, I should say 10s.
You think PCS should be an absolute value across competitions?

In my opinion, this scoring system is still quite subjective, and I fear it will always be, including GOEs.

Like someone else said, the judges gave 88.86 points in PCS to Shoma with a very flawed performance.
Thus, the judges would have no choice to boost up Nathan's PCS with a much cleaner and way more difficult program.
You may disagree, but this is how it played out.

Also, I will certainly not try to justify the scores. I did not hand out the scores, so I don't see why I have to justify them.
You may question the scores, but it is your opinion. Many may disagree with you.
That is exactly what I mean by subjectivity of the sport.

Now, keep on complaining...

The PCS get inflated to keep up with the change in TDES difficulty.. back when 8 was excellent, you had skater doing 1 or 2 quads ... not 4, 5 or 6.... they are trying to keep PCS relevant against the rising TDES.....:sarcasm:

 

[surimi]

I can't believe Boyang got -9 deduction because he was too relaxed going into this competition. I want to give him a kick in his butt and a hug at the same time.

What, he wasn't injured? That's a relief to hear.

 

[noskates]

Just read a few of the posts over the last couple of pages because I haven't seen the Men's competition yet. I don't know how anybody on this board can say what a skater thinks, feels or is determined to do going into a competition. It bothers me greatly to read "he didn't care enough" or words to that effect. That posted while sitting in the comfort of your home watching it on TV. These skaters practice hours every day for months on end. They give up normal lives for their sport. If they didn't care they wouldn't do it and don't dare to think otherwise. That's just ignorance and narrow-mindedness. Every skater has a bad day.,,.or two or three. Sometimes it happens on the world's biggest stage and that's truly unfortunate. But to even consider one of these men didn't care enough to try their hardest just is so ridiculous. I feel badly for Zhou even though he isn't one of my favorites and Boyang and Shoma. What a bad note to end their season on. But all of these guys deserve a big rest and not a little understanding and empathy from the fans.

 

[Lambari]

KAZUKI TOMONO (!!!) First Worlds plus the pressure to keep Japan's three spots, especially knowing Shoma's injury and he does that? He was the joy of this disastrous event for me, just like Wakaba's free was at the ladies!

 

[QueenOfTheRoad]

Just read a few of the posts over the last couple of pages because I haven't seen the Men's competition yet. I don't know how anybody on this board can say what a skater thinks, feels or is determined to do going into a competition. It bothers me greatly to read "he didn't care enough" or words to that effect. That posted while sitting in the comfort of your home watching it on TV. These skaters practice hours every day for months on end. They give up normal lives for their sport. If they didn't care they wouldn't do it and don't dare to think otherwise. That's just ignorance and narrow-mindedness. Every skater has a bad day.,,.or two or three. Sometimes it happens on the world's biggest stage and that's truly unfortunate. But to even consider one of these men didn't care enough to try their hardest just is so ridiculous. I feel badly for Zhou even though he isn't one of my favorites and Boyang and Shoma. What a bad note to end their season on. But all of these guys deserve a big rest and not a little understanding and empathy from the fans.

Add to this: "they don't want a medal" and "they don't want to go to Oly". Like, serious? :hslap:

 

[seraf]

Don’t know if someone already posted it but here’s the link to the press conference:

https://youtu.be/S3VCwmExAx0

I just love to see Kolyada so happy, he can hardly stop smiling