2018 Worlds Ladies FS

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Not sure if her name has been brought up already, but Kimmie Meissner?

Meissner was brought up. And about that..... yeah, but she DID stand out at her Worlds -- she landed both a 3Z+3T and 3F+3T (yeah yeah, UR likely, but not called at that time) in a field where NOBODY else even attempted a 3-3 combination in the FS, let alone TWO. If anything, the other ladies were the "basics" in that freeskate, with their comparatively much lower content. http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2006/wc06_Ladies_FS_scores.pdf

Sure, she wasn't the most artistic and was a bit one-note, and her styling was rather bland, but she at least went for it and didn't "wait her turn", and that's to be really respected.... especially when the whole world had pegged Sasha to win.

 

[begin]

When did we decide Osmond was some great performer? I like her, but ever since Pyeonchang there has been this narrative that she’s some great artist that seemingly came out of nowhere.

In the short she’s appropriately fun and jaunty and I enjoy watching it, but she doesn’t do much beyond that. In the long, however, she doesn’t really do anything to characterize the music at all. She makes some vague hand gestures to reference ballet, she hits a few musical cues in an obvious way. But there is no variation in her carriage, no use of her limbs or bodily position to characterize the shifting tones in the piece. The swan piece is one of juxtaposition - spectacle and severity, alongside reservation and delicacy. You see that characterized somewhat in the spins, but she really lacks the fluidity to characterize this. She also requires much more attack and precision in the steps to characterize the music.

I just want to know what you guys see that I’m missing? She projects decently, but beyond that I just don’t see her as a great performer.

IA. She skates 'big' and that has been equated to 'performing'.

I rly thought Osmond would be one of my favorites by now but watching her skate just feels...redundant.

 

[narcissa]

Just imagine, a small town girl with no big Federation backing her.

What?????

FYI Kaetlyn deservedly won. FYI I could see her placing higher at the Olympics too. But this statement... lol.

 

[Moment]

Higuchi's 3F attempt off a clear outside edge was uncalled here.

 

[randomfan]

Very late here, but congrats to the podium! All three medalists are my favourites and I’m so glad that they became our World Medalists this year!

I’m really sad for Alina and Carolina. Alina was coming in as the Olympic champion so to have a disaster like that must feel like an embarassment to her. I hope she can be in good company for the time being. As for Carolina, it must hurt to know that you had the greatest chance to become World Champion again and you blew it. If Carolina is really retiring, I hope she can shake off this disappointment and perform her heart out at the gala.

 

[GS Forum Staff]

Some posts have been moved from the Womens FS thread to the Mens FS thread as the posts were discussing the results of the Men.

 

[AC96]

Alyona Kostornaya 3Atwo weeks after the JWC 2018 in Sofia:dance2: - https://vk.com/video-97272391_456240706

why was this in the thread about the 2018 ladies free skate at the senior world championships? you can start your own thread for this instead of posting it on an unrelated thread.

 

[eppen]

In recent years the ladies have usualy been able to deliver in the free quite well, but this year the first two groups were rather bad, the third group was a bit better. Loena Hendricx skated technically good, but she still really needs to work on her presentation. The music choices for both programs for her were good - I would not want to see her try lyrical for a few years still (but she does make Bradie Tennell look like the epitome of elegance ). Was very sorry to see Daleman and Kostner to falter as bad as they did. Gabrielle's first 3+3 combo is enourmous!!

Satoko's FS was not as impressive as her SP, it felt too long and she was not able to hold the performance together as well as she did in the SP. Kaetlyn was better than before this season with this FS. I don't particlularly like it - not too innovative approach to an old theme - but the clarity of the intentions behind the movement was finally there and she looked sharp. Zagitova's downfall in the last competition was hard to believe, but I guess the 15-year-old in her finally came out and took over for a few minutes.

My night was really made by Wakaba, whose Skyfall is the only 007 themed program ever to actually please me a bit. She is technically sound and has the makings for all kinds of performances I think. She is not limited to the ethereal ice princess as shown by the strength of her performance here in Milan! And I love that programme so much in many ways - the detail is great and she is great in catching the different moods of the music. Was extremely happy to see her on the podium!!!

One of the stars of the evening was also Shin Amano. We cheered the assistant tech specialist loudly during the introductions and he did not fail us. The amount of carrot cake he delivered was just amazing, not to mention the seemingly dozens of edge calls for flutzes and lips - sometimes both for the same skater. This I would love to see more of, also in the men's where URs (and edges) tend to get ignored for whatever reason...

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[jfdw]

I have a big issue with calling Osmond's toeloop here "good" - it was barely rotated and she did not have good flow out, there was a visible grind on the landing and she had to quickly put her free foot down to stabilize. The same was true in the SP as well; I can not see her combos deserving more than +1 GOE and these frivolous +GOE grades given out to people are what distorts the scores.



You don't though...the GOE and PCS you just gave to Osmond would add up to 141.12!! That's 6 points lower than this total score you somehow came up with and 9 points lower than what she actually got from the judges.



Osmond did not have a strong short program either, that's not much of an argument. And where is your argument for Kaetlyn being "a better performer, period", where are the specifics? I found Higuchi to be the better performer in the LP, having a better sense of abandon in her movement, and being more in character and showing a better range of movement. Her twizzles are way better than Osmond's, for example.



You don't seem to understand what is being talked about, as what you quoted was a statement of why Nationalistic attitudes are ridiculous.

Aside from that, Osmond being the first Canadian lady in 45 years to be given a title is NOT any argument whatsoever that there wasn't politics and inflated scoring happening. How do you not see the fallacy of your argument? Those are unrelated things and Canada has simply lacked competitive ladies. No amount of politics for any of their other ladies in the past several decades was ever going to get them a World title, since none of them ever delivered enough to actually politic. Winning a World title is hardly the only extent of political influence anyway, there are other beneficial results a federation can achieve. For example, Osmond undeservedly "won" 2012 Skate Canada and her scores have constantly been creeping upwards, even when she has given rather weak performances.



This is not what was being argued. The issue is how ANY skater who is considered a "chosen one" receives inflated scores for what they actually put out there on the ice. Higuchi does not have the same clout as Osmond and has not been "chosen" to be a champion who the judges "need" to reward; as such her scores are not inflated as much and the scoring differential is inaccurate. Forget country, that doesn't matter. The issue is simply the judges giving certain scores out based upon reputation/momentum or whatever you want to call it.

Look You have made it crystal clear that you are not happy Katelyn won, that she did not deserve to win, that she was over scored ad nauseum. We can read here and we get it . You obvious have knowledge of figure skating but so do the judges that judged her and I do believe they might have a tad more than you. They felt she deserved the win. Instead of what I consider bashing the skater why do you not write to the ISU and lodge your complaints. You certainly have the right to your opinion but to keep on with the same vicious posts is growing tiresome for me at least. By the way what skater did you want to win that did not that has made you so angry? You will have to get over it and move on because Katelyn is not going to have to give her medal back This is the last time I will answer a post from you. Perhaps if others do the same you will get tired of talking to yourself and move on with your life. Things do not always turn out the way you would like but that is life so move on. This is not worth you getting so upset.

 

[VenusHalley]

These programs of Loena are mindblowing. They stay with you. Just compare that to Maria Sotskova's snoozefest. I will never understand Clair de Lune and a grey costume. Talk about forgettable.

Well the gray goes well with the underlaying helicopter theme of the program.

 

[roots]

Osmond did not have a strong short program either, that's not much of an argument. And where is your argument for Kaetlyn being "a better performer, period", where are the specifics? I found Higuchi to be the better performer in the LP, having a better sense of abandon in her movement, and being more in character and showing a better range of movement. Her twizzles are way better than Osmond's, for example.

Osmand has better flow and speed and height on her jumps than anyone in the competition, period. And she gets rewarded for it. To the causal fan, the spectator, this is what they see. Show anyone that doesn’t watch religiously or is biased and it’s the first thing they will say. Also, Osman has a better connection with the audience and sells her program and character better than anyone, she is believable. Unlike Medvedeva for example, who constabtly looks up into the ceiling with her mouth open as if she was “caught by surprised”. She has been doing that look the 3 seasons. Osmand is passionate and the musicality in the skating reflects it, not to mention the quality in her skating. Better skater won.

 

[Carshalton]

I do feel for some of the posters here who are so frustrated with Osmond's win. Yes, it's unfortunate that the judges had to watch the competition live in the arena with a front row view of the proceedings and didn't have the benefit of being in the basements of these posters with the superior vantage point of their cell phone, iPad, computer or television. But what can you do? :confused2:

 

[jfdw]

I do feel for some of the posters here who are so frustrated with Osmond's win. Yes, it's unfortunate that the judges had to watch the competition live in the arena with a front row view of the proceedings and didn't have the benefit of being in the basements of these posters with the superior vantage point of their cell phone, iPad, computer or television. But what can you do? :confused2:

I agree with 100% but may I just add the judges also had instant replay and slow motion abilities to check edges, and rotation etc. so I think they had a better view than we at home did.

 

[Shayuki]

Osmand has better flow and speed and height on her jumps than anyone in the competition, period. And she gets rewarded for it. To the causal fan, the spectator, this is what they see. Show anyone that doesn’t watch religiously or is biased and it’s the first thing they will say. Also, Osman has a better connection with the audience and sells her program and character better than anyone, she is believable. Unlike Medvedeva for example, who constabtly looks up into the ceiling with her mouth open as if she was “caught by surprised”. She has been doing that look the 3 seasons. Osmand is passionate and the musicality in the skating reflects it, not to mention the quality in her skating. Better skater won.

Did you completely miss the Olympics and what people who watched skating for the first time ever / who watch it only every 4 months thought about the performances or are you just projecting?

As for Osmond's jumps, in the guidelines speed, flow and height are only worth +1 GOE in total. And I went through them and while they are above average, they really aren't some mythical super high jumps.

 

[roots]

Did you completely miss the Olympics and what people who watched skating for the first time ever / who watch it only every 4 months thought about the performances or are you just projecting?

As for Osmond's jumps, in the guidelines speed, flow and height are only worth +1 GOE in total. And I went through them and while they are above average, they really aren't some mythical super high jumps.

Not at all, I’ve been watching for 30 years, Worlds, Olympics and Grand Prix. What I enjoy about skaters varies and by no means am I biased by what country they come from. Case in point, was overjoyed when Azakawa won in Turin. I am pointing out what Osmand brings to skating and in my eyes it’s her speed, height and how convincing she sells her programs. Satoko, although a wonderful skater, she lacks anything special, in my eyes. The fact that she barely gets off the ice to jump is distracting and steals away from the performance.

 

[Blades of Passion]

Osmond has better flow and speed and height on her jumps than anyone in the competition, period.

No she doesn't, Higuchi's 3-3's and a couple other jumps in the LP were better than hers and Kostner on her best executions does better jumps than Osmond (particularly because Kostner does not pre-rotate her Lutz and Flip as Osmond does, nor does Kostner have an edge issue). There are some more examples from other ladies too. At times Osmond is capability of great quality jumps, but in this competition her 3Loop was the only great one. As I wrote about previously, it looked like she specifically tried to jump smaller to get more control in this competition. Or like someone else said, maybe they just weren't able to bring the same energy they had at the Olympics, coming down from the bigger enthusiasm of that event. Whatever the case was, Osmond's quality was not that high here.

By the way what skater did you want to win that did not that has made you so angry?

You're completely missing the point and bringing nothing but misconceptions with what you wrote. I didn't want any particular skater to win. I look at the skating and judge it for what it is. At most every competition the judges get something very wrong, as the judging is not based upon truly rigorous analysis and understanding, but rather just what they have been told to perceive and do. If you think Osmond deserved to win then good for you. It's not out of line for me to think she didn't and to say so; stop trying to shame me with your empty and defensively antagonistic line of thinking. I see right through that bullcrap.

 

[Osmond4gold]

Why do you assume I haven't see her live? I have. Your comment also presumes I find the current Russian women spectacular. And you don't really address my criticism and question. I was asking why the people who have defended her as a great performer and artists think so. What, specifically, about her programs or presentation qualifies her as such. The amount of ice coverage could be part of artistry, depending on the program and how it's use, but just by itself it doesn't make a great performance or artistic presentation and certainly is just one of many aspects that would need to be considered.

Than you and I see things differently, and that's okay. Perhaps you should review what NoNameFace has posted recently, having witnessed her skating live this weekend in Milan or SamS posts from Korea. I think you will find, that you are in the minority. As SamS wrote after seeing her for the first time at the Olympics, ''Impressive!''

Funny how many skating fans including all judges this season, disagree with your opinion as she reached a podium in every event she competed.

Just sayin' .

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

We still honoring that Avatar bet O4G

 

[Osmond4gold]

We still honoring that Avatar bet O4G

You and your memory!!! Hey there is no play like fair play, right?

 

[millie]

Than you and I see things differently. Perhaps check and view what NoNameFace has posted recently, having witnessed her skating live this weekend or SamS posts from Korea. I think you will find, that you are in the minority...as SamS said after seeing her for the first time at the Olympics, ''Impressive!''

Funny how many skating fans including all judges this season, disagree with your opinion as she reached a podium in every event she competed.

Just sayin' .

You are kicking a dead horse trying to defend Kaetlyns World Champion Gold medal. No matter what we say, it’s not going to make any difference to them....They are Sore Losers, not the athletes but their fans. Let’s celebrate our girls win...hip hip hooray.. Osmond4Gold it has been her best season. I am looking forward to seeing her at the ice show in Corner Brook, NL.. next month...