2018-19 U.S. Men’s figure skating
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I wish Vincent and Camden well, no matter what their coaching choices are.
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I'm so happy that Camden was invited to skate in the GPF gala.
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Christy already has been part of Vincent's team for twelve months, and I continue to be mystified as to why some members of GS blame only Tom for Vincent's jump issues.
Tomoki (whom I like
) underrotated four jumps in his JGPF FS, but no one (AFAIK) is calling for Christy's head.
Camden (one of my favorites :luv17
has credited Tom with helping him quickly master 3A. Camden's 3A consistently is rotated with positive GOE. He obviously made other errors in his JGPF FS, but he earned +2.40 GOE for his solo 3A.
It would be no wonder if Camden has a different outlook on Tom Z than some of the GS armchair quarterbacks do.
Tomoki (whom I like
) underrotated four jumps in his JGPF FS, but no one (AFAIK) is calling for Christy's head.Camden (one of my favorites :luv17
has credited Tom with helping him quickly master 3A. Camden's 3A consistently is rotated with positive GOE. He obviously made other errors in his JGPF FS, but he earned +2.40 GOE for his solo 3A.It would be no wonder if Camden has a different outlook on Tom Z than some of the GS armchair quarterbacks do.
I'm so happy that Camden was invited to skate in the GPF gala.
Great interview with Nathan by Meryl if anyone interested in Nathan’s college life, future plans, rule changes, tips for time management. He talked briefly about the future for American figure skating at around 20:00 mark. Nothing about sleep deprivations, exam and homework stresses. A very lighthearted interview but lots of information. Meryl is such a great interviewer. Love her so much.
https://youtu.be/_nwAf2HKKbY
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https://youtu.be/_nwAf2HKKbY
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Why would it be inappropriate? Nathan AFAIK is a U.S. man.
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I don't want to seem melodramatic, but it doesn't seem that this thread is really pro-Nathan at the moment. I realize this isn't his fan thread, but as a thread to discuss US men, you would think that there would be more than 2 comments congratulating Nathan for his second GPF win. So, I can empathize with bonita for thinking that a comment discussing Nathan wouldn't be welcome here.
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You would expect comments congratulating Nathan on his GPF win to go in his fan fest, not this thread.
Seems that this thread is quite focused on Tom Z right now 
I admittedly don't know a lot about him - but one positive is that he seems to value his skaters pursuing a college education, and using Max as an example - easily transition to life outside of competitive skating. Seemed that he was competing at the highest level at worlds, and then soon after was starting his new career!
There must be some reason(s) why skaters are staying with him.
I admittedly don't know a lot about him - but one positive is that he seems to value his skaters pursuing a college education, and using Max as an example - easily transition to life outside of competitive skating. Seemed that he was competing at the highest level at worlds, and then soon after was starting his new career!
There must be some reason(s) why skaters are staying with him.
Almost everyone, if not everyone, in this thread seems to think Nathan will be a lock to 3peat as U.S. Champ - isn't that pro-Nathan? It's kinda difficult to have a discussion on something that's unanimous.
I agree with @Metis it would turn into a fan fest.Seems that this thread is quite focused on Tom Z right now
I admittedly don't know a lot about him - but one positive is that he seems to value his skaters pursuing a college education, and using Max as an example - easily transition to life outside of competitive skating. Seemed that he was competing at the highest level at worlds, and then soon after was starting his new career!
There must be some reason(s) why skaters are staying with him.
I don't know too much about Tom Z other than that he coaches 2 skaters that have a chance to make the World Team. Understandably, it is a concern that the U.S. maintain the 3 spots, and so far only Nathan has been consistently performing this season.
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Well heading into nationals Nathan is consistently the best probably in the world and he has great pcs now and the most difficult and consistent jumps so it makes sense he is the heavy favorite especially in light of Jason Brown not having a quad who is probably securely no.2 with all the inconsistency/jump issues of Zhou, Ma, et al. Jason has really turned it around at least result wise in his last two events.
Seems that this thread is quite focused on Tom Z right now
There must be some reason(s) why skaters are staying with him.
As they say in real estate, location, location, location.
Colorado Springs gives skaters lots of resources that other locations cannot complete with. #1 is proximity to USFS. #2 it is a really good Olympic Training center that has resources that benefit skaters. Those resources were cited as to why Tami moved her team there a couple of years back.
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I know this is an annoying cliche at this point, but Camden should go to BOrser.
In general, Tom Z.'s skaters (as well as Tammy's) have almost always struggled with consistency. IMO, men should go to Tom Z. for the 3A and then get out of there. His skaters have fabulous 3As.
Vincent should be training 4T and 4S and no other quads until he gets those two jumps consistent.
In general, Tom Z.'s skaters (as well as Tammy's) have almost always struggled with consistency. IMO, men should go to Tom Z. for the 3A and then get out of there. His skaters have fabulous 3As.
Vincent should be training 4T and 4S and no other quads until he gets those two jumps consistent.
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Right unless Nathan was injured with no chance for recovery by worlds, Nathan’s spot on the worlds team is basically a lock. Everyone else is fighting for the other two spots. Even without his best elements and imperfect skates, he is leagues above most skaters in the world - Shoma and Yuzuru and he are in their own league.
Well, congrats Nathan on his second GPF title! He has a nice GP winning streak going, having won his last six events and beating every top man at some point.
And congrats Jason on his win at Golden Spin, really nice to see him bounce back these last two competitions. I just updated my spreadsheet so hope to have a post-GP pre-nationals analysis soon.
As for Tom Z/Tammy, they did have half of the men and ladies members of the Olympic team. And Brian Orser didn’t get Adam to the Olympics. Picking a coach is such an individual thing.
And congrats Jason on his win at Golden Spin, really nice to see him bounce back these last two competitions. I just updated my spreadsheet so hope to have a post-GP pre-nationals analysis soon.
As for Tom Z/Tammy, they did have half of the men and ladies members of the Olympic team. And Brian Orser didn’t get Adam to the Olympics. Picking a coach is such an individual thing.
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Agreed, or whatever two Vincent feels are his strongest. I'd guess that could be the toe and the lutz since he seems to favor toe pick jumps. Having two quads allows you to do up to 6 in a competition, and anything above that you can only do once. It doesn't make sense to train more if he isn't maximizing the points available from doing two different quads really well.
Actually having a good 3A does wonders too. Part of the reason Jason is starting to see good scores w/o the quad is that his 3A improved by a lot. He’s getting good +GOE on the jump now. It’s also a big reason Yuzuru Hanyu was able to win the Olympics on “simpler quads.”
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I agree. I have never seen Jason have such height and distance in his jumps as I have this season. He has improved in every element of his skating. He's always been a performer but, this is the first year I have really noticed his jumps. Cleary the move to Brian was a good one. IMO, his is the clear US #2. I don't love Vincent but, unless Camden or Alexei have a huge turn around, I think he'll be the third Man on the team. I also think we're looking good to maintain our 3 spots no matter which skater gets the final spot. How is Timothy Dolensky looking?
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I will just state my random thoughts from what I can actually remember from the various posts I’ve gone through on this thread:
I think Vincent is an incredibly ambitious guy. He wants to have success. And rightfully so, he is so talented and knows he can be the best. He can really be amongst the top skaters in the world. I have a feeling that he will make a decision to change coaches after this season if he doesn’t do well at Nationals or four continents, and yes, he should definitely go to four continents even if he makes the World team simply because it’s an opportunity to represent in our home country, in California where’s he’s from, plus I’m very sure Nathan will NOT be going as he has Yale and fully focused on Worlds (but I don’t think he should go to Four Continents if that is in consideration...just rest and concentrate on defending his World title).
As far as the world team is concerned, I have to admit I have never seen this Camden guy a lot of you are speaking of , but, barring some kind of huge upset the the three American men are assuredly Nathan, Jason, Vincent. Nathan is a definite lock, even if he finishes in last place. Lol. Whether anyone likes it or not, he has the BEST record of any American male skater since at least Evan Lysacek at this point. So let’s all be grateful this hardworking, humble and exceptionally gifted guy is represents our country.
I think Vincent is an incredibly ambitious guy. He wants to have success. And rightfully so, he is so talented and knows he can be the best. He can really be amongst the top skaters in the world. I have a feeling that he will make a decision to change coaches after this season if he doesn’t do well at Nationals or four continents, and yes, he should definitely go to four continents even if he makes the World team simply because it’s an opportunity to represent in our home country, in California where’s he’s from, plus I’m very sure Nathan will NOT be going as he has Yale and fully focused on Worlds (but I don’t think he should go to Four Continents if that is in consideration...just rest and concentrate on defending his World title).
As far as the world team is concerned, I have to admit I have never seen this Camden guy a lot of you are speaking of , but, barring some kind of huge upset the the three American men are assuredly Nathan, Jason, Vincent. Nathan is a definite lock, even if he finishes in last place. Lol. Whether anyone likes it or not, he has the BEST record of any American male skater since at least Evan Lysacek at this point. So let’s all be grateful this hardworking, humble and exceptionally gifted guy is represents our country.
I'm not sure about Camden. I've watched more than a few of his programs and it seems like none of his jumps is particularly stable. He doesn't get into a tight rotation and a lot of the landings are barely eked out. His 3A is probably his best so I guess you have to give credit to TomZ for that. But without stable triples there's no chance for a future quad.
The latest Skating magazine has an interview with Vincent.
https://content.digitalpub.blue-soh...SKATING/html/index.html?page=30&origin=reader
The latest Skating magazine has an interview with Vincent.
https://content.digitalpub.blue-soh...SKATING/html/index.html?page=30&origin=reader
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The 3A is ok, but he needs the others and after this season going into Senior, he should get a new coach.
I dont think he will move anywhere in Senior without solid jumps and quad.
Camden will probably go to Junior Worlds this year. If he happens to podium at National (that is assuming huge meltdown and major UR from Vincent), they might send him to 4CC as experience. Cant see Camden be sent to Senior Worlds.
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