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Haha, I suggest you avoid watching American skating then. They definitely do the same.

Anna got 2 bonus (not 3). Liza did get a bonus for the 3A.

Oh don't get me wrong, i often complained about judging in US too, I was one of those who thought Polina Edmunds should have beated Gracie Gold at 2016 Nationals.

(corrected the other part, i thought they didn't even give the bonus to Liza's 3a)
 
It is “all there” but feel free to share the reasons for the lost levels. Especially on the last spin, it makes no sense to me.
My guess is Liza lost the level feature on the first basic camel position in her CCoSp, she only did 1 1/2 clear revolutions before changing position, minimum is 2 revs according to rules, e.g. Anna did 3 1/2 revs in her CCoSp in the same basic position before switching to a sitspin position, therefore she was given the level feature.
 
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I actually don’t have a favorite in this competition... I like Anna and Tut equally - for me, it is more that if a skater skates clean and delivers an amazing performance they should be rewarded for it (esp since she had more difficult jumps). Anna simply didn’t and her mistake took away from her performance but she still scored better in both areas.
Sorry, I didn't mean you specifically. I was more talking in general.
 
Shcherbakova's sadness and Usachyova's self-criticism. Figure skaters presented their short programs in Sochi

SOCHI, October 24. / TASS /. Eteri Tutberidze's pupils Dar'ya Usachyeva and Anna Shcherbakova lead after the short program at the third stage of the Russian Figure Skating Cup in Sochi. The favourite of the stage, Shcherbakova, lost by little less than a point to Usachyova. Usachyova received 78.41 points for her skating run, Shcherbakova - 77.47, third is the pupil of Alexeyi Mishin Yelizaveta Tuktamysheva (77.36).

14-year-old Usachyova came out first in her flight, performing a short program from the musical "Moulin Rouge" - the skating of the athlete looked whole and easy, except for a slight loss of balance on her cascade of triple Flip - triple Toeloop, and the judges also noted an unclear edge on the Lutz. After the performance, the athlete herself self-critically noted that her performance was worse than at the stage earlier in Moscow, and she considers the lower scores to be completely deserved. Usachyova also announced that in the near future she plans to insert a triple Axel into the program - now she is actively learning this complex element.


The skating run of the 16-year-old Shcherbakova, whose superiority over her rivals was practically not questioned by the experts, was not ideal - the athlete in her program to the elegy of Jules Massenet made a mistake on the cascade of triple Lutz and triple Rittberger. After the performance, the skater found it difficult to hide her emotions, and she chose to refrain from communicating with journalists.

Tuktamysheva, the 2015 World Champion, who appeared in a performance under the adagio from Aram Khachaturian's ballet "Spartacus" in a new dress, looked much more confident. Tuktamysheva, for whom the tournament in Sochi was the first of the season, quite confidently coped with the triple Axel, and also performed a cascade of triple Lutz with an arm up and a triple Toeloop, in which the judges saw an under-rotation. The experienced 23-year-old figure skater believes that she still needs to work on not “sneaking up” on difficult jumps, and she also noted that she is delighted with her new dress, remade from the one in which she performed in September at the test skates of the national team.
 
For the first time in 4 years I am starting to think about if I want to watch RussNats at all. All this disgusting discussions both on internet forums and in the Russian public media is awful, and I would dare to say that affects the skaters just as much as the pandemic. If after every competion we have to see Pluschenko imploding on the media, then no, thanks..... This is what destroys the sport even more than all of the student transfers.
The unfair scoring destroy the sport.
 
Shcherbakova's sadness and Usachyova's self-criticism. Figure skaters presented their short programs in Sochi

SOCHI, October 24. / TASS /. Eteri Tutberidze's pupils Dar'ya Usachyeva and Anna Shcherbakova lead after the short program at the third stage of the Russian Figure Skating Cup in Sochi. The favourite of the stage, Shcherbakova, lost by little less than a point to Usachyova. Usachyova received 78.41 points for her skating run, Shcherbakova - 77.47, third is the pupil of Alexeyi Mishin Yelizaveta Tuktamysheva (77.36).

14-year-old Usachyova came out first in her flight, performing a short program from the musical "Moulin Rouge" - the skating of the athlete looked whole and easy, except for a slight loss of balance on her cascade of triple Flip - triple Toeloop, and the judges also noted an unclear edge on the Lutz. After the performance, the athlete herself self-critically noted that her performance was worse than at the stage earlier in Moscow, and she considers the lower scores to be completely deserved. Usachyova also announced that in the near future she plans to insert a triple Axel into the program - now she is actively learning this complex element.


The skating run of the 16-year-old Shcherbakova, whose superiority over her rivals was practically not questioned by the experts, was not ideal - the athlete in her program to the elegy of Jules Massenet made a mistake on the cascade of triple Lutz and triple Rittberger. After the performance, the skater found it difficult to hide her emotions, and she chose to refrain from communicating with journalists.

Tuktamysheva, the 2015 World Champion, who appeared in a performance under the adagio from Aram Khachaturian's ballet "Spartacus" in a new dress, looked much more confident. Tuktamysheva, for whom the tournament in Sochi was the first of the season, quite confidently coped with the triple Axel, and also performed a cascade of triple Lutz with an arm up and a triple Toeloop, in which the judges saw an under-rotation. The experienced 23-year-old figure skater believes that she still needs to work on not “sneaking up” on difficult jumps, and she also noted that she is delighted with her new dress, remade from the one in which she performed in September at the test skates of the national team.
Liza is really moving in the right direction, I love it. She knows where she needs to go forwards it looks like. So improved compared to a month ago. And that Flip edge was not even debatable, very solid. All this despite being injured recently.
 
See while some of the judges probably agree with this i don't.

To me if a jump is flawed, it is flawed even with a fancy entrance!

Just because you can do a lutz out of the spiral, doesn't mean you can jump a lutz better, if the edge or the toe pick or the position in the air are not good.
But see, that's the point. Your liking is not in the rules. There is a difference.
 
Well, at least Dariya is above Anna. She deserved to be above Kamila in both SP and FP in the last Russian cup competition.
Eteri's skaters are unusually inconsistent this year with the exception of Dariya. Akatieva, Valieva and Shcherbakova all have had problems so far.
Maybe Eteri team misses the king of beauty Sergei Rozanov.
Perhaps if you bothered to remove your preconceived notions you would notice that EVERYONE has had problems so far.
 
This is not true. And leave alone Anna, please. She is a hardworker an amazing skater and personality. You can blame the judges for the unfair scoring not her.
Thank you.

On a bright note, I enjoyed Liza for the first time ever. It's a nice program and a very nice dress. If she continues on this path, sooner or later the bigger scores will come.
 
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I'm happy for all the top 3 skaters, so early in the season and hardly making a mistake. The scores might not reflect it, but what Liza produced should fill her with so much confidence.

1) Beautiful one-handed Bielmann which looked much more comfortable than in the past.
2) Smaller circle into the 3A
3) 3Lz with tano and not perfectly landed, but still got the 3T (even though UR).
4) Really good step sequence which will get level 4s in the future.
And you forgot to mention she landed a triple flip, which was so problematic for her. I’m so proud of her.
 
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Anna is better than Liza in pretty much everything. And this is not the matter of current russian cup that Liza's levels on spins or stsq are going for a walk. Her score is actually completely consistent with her other scores elsewhere. You shouldn't win a program only based on 3A if other aspects outweigh it. She was good today, actually probably her best SP since the Team Trophy 2019, but overally Anna's quality is higher. She did one mistate, that was deservedly costly, but Liza made several of them, on spins, on stsq, even on combo. Every one of them was smaller, but that's how figure skating works, if small mistakes accumulate, they can easily outweigh one single, though more visible mistake
Except for jumping technique...
Liza is one of the best technicians.
 
That was a fake information from Edwin. The crowd was angry when they saw Konstantinova's scores and not Kamila or Daria's cases according to those Fs fans who were in the arena. I hope you and Edwin don't come to Aliona and Sasha fanthread. That would be sincere. Your bias is more than ridiculous. :mad:
If that was fake information by Edwin then that's on him. But I'll try to be more down the middle and not favor one side over the other. Wait I don't even do that. I've always been fair on this board never complain about scores never go crazy about scores like when KV got her scores a couple weeks ago in the short program causing a furor in RLT. I don't root against anyone and cheer for all even though I prefer others over some. You are the biased one about everything Plushenko. I look at it like this I like some things about him and some things not to like about him. One of the things I like about him is that he gets his Stars paid with endorsements and future shows and they deserve it.
 
Tarasova, Leonova, Bestemianova support Liza. Zhulin maybe I don't understand the "недокруты" word. And he used "likely"
 
If that was fake information by Edwin then that's on him. But I'll try to be more down the middle and not favor one side over the other. Wait I don't even do that. I've always been fair on this board never complain about scores never go crazy about scores like when KV got her scores a couple weeks ago in the short program causing a furor in RLT. I don't root against anyone and cheer for all even though I prefer others over some. You are the biased one about everything Plushenko. I look at it like this I like some things about him and some things not to like about him. One of the things I like about him is that he gets his Stars paid with endorsements and future shows and they deserve it.
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I don’t have much time to do a full review of each performance but good job to all the ladies! I’m happy to see Daria in first (PCS should’ve been first with that performance too)! Anna was beautiful, as always, it’s a shame about the mistake on the combo. She’s currently my favorite senior (while Evgenia isn’t competing, that is) but it’s true I think she benefits the most from overscoring. It’s nice to see Liza in good shape. I can’t enjoy her combo because she has the most distracting, not aesthetically pleasing, Tano variation.. Sofia too, what’s with Mishin? But good on her for landing the 3A and it was a nice program for her.
 
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