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Who can defeat the Russian Women in 2021-22?

I don't think you can even compare progress of maintaining of 2 different quads with improving from singles and doubles to underrotated triples.
I’m not comparing their progress. I simply said that Alysa had a great progress in a short amount of time, the progress I did not expect to see from her. This is without comparing what Maiia achieved this season and what Alysa achieved. As I said, despite the progress Alysa made, I don’t think currently she stands a chance of beating Maiia, even if Maiia didn’t have her quads.
 
I’m not comparing their progress. I simply said that Alysa had a great progress in a short amount of time, the progress I did not expect to see from her. This is without comparing what Maiia achieved this season and what Alysa achieved. As I said, despite the progress Alysa made, I don’t think currently she stands a chance of beating Maiia, even if Maiia didn’t have her quads.
The thing with Alysa is that the quality of her technique is way below any Eteri girl. Maiia has oodles more speed, depth, and maturity compared to Alysa, just in skating around. I'd say Elena Kostyleva has more maturity, speed, depth than Alysa!!! Alysa is about small, cute little-girl skating. It just won't translate to seniors unless she has a major overhaul. Starting with her Axel technique.
 
The thing with Alysa is that the quality of her technique is way below any Eteri girl. Maiia has oodles more speed, depth, and maturity compared to Alysa, just in skating around. I'd say Elena Kostyleva has more maturity, speed, depth than Alysa!!! Alysa is about small, cute little-girl skating. It just won't translate to seniors unless she has a major overhaul. Starting with her Axel technique.
Alysa's programs this year did not help either. She seems very mature off-ice, but keeps getting very juniorish programs.
 
"UR triples" well yes, that is something Alysa has to work on. But all of the top 5 US ladies have "barely rotated" triples.

I think Alysa's skating quality, performance, and yes jump technique have all improved. Her 3Lz-3T is getting pretty big now. In terms of PCS scoring, Alysa's PCS at junior worlds was around the same as Alina Zagitova in her junior debut, so I don't think you can make any judgement calls based on that.
 
I think Alysa's skating quality, performance, and yes jump technique have all improved. Her 3Lz-3T is getting pretty big now. In terms of PCS scoring, Alysa's PCS at junior worlds was around the same as Alina Zagitova in her junior debut, so I don't think you can make any judgement calls based on that.
I agree with you, and I will say that Alysa and her team are doing everything right to make her competitive on the world stage. As long as she can rotate her jumps and add at least the 3A back in her arsenal, Alysa will again be atop the US field.
 
I agree with you, and I will say that Alysa and her team are doing everything right to make her competitive on the world stage. As long as she can rotate her jumps and add at least the 3A back in her arsenal, Alysa will again be atop the US field.

US field yes, but on the international stage, especially from Russia, will have more complete skaters including with better packaging and program content thats far more favorable among judges
 
US field yes, but on the international stage, especially from Russia, will have more complete skaters including with better packaging and program content thats far more favorable among judges
That's true, but Alysa (with a 3A) has enough technical content to take advantage of others' mistakes. She's obviously not going to beat a clean or nearly clean Anna or Kamila, but the Russian women aren't flawless every single time they step on the ice. In a competition where everyone skates perfectly, the Russians would almost certainly sweep the podium unless Rika delivers something special.
 
"UR triples" well yes, that is something Alysa has to work on. But all of the top 5 US ladies have "barely rotated" triples.

I think Alysa's skating quality, performance, and yes jump technique have all improved. Her 3Lz-3T is getting pretty big now. In terms of PCS scoring, Alysa's PCS at junior worlds was around the same as Alina Zagitova in her junior debut, so I don't think you can make any judgement calls based on that.
I'm anxious to see her new programs and Jeremy's influence.
 
"UR triples" well yes, that is something Alysa has to work on. But all of the top 5 US ladies have "barely rotated" triples.

I think Alysa's skating quality, performance, and yes jump technique have all improved. Her 3Lz-3T is getting pretty big now. In terms of PCS scoring, Alysa's PCS at junior worlds was around the same as Alina Zagitova in her junior debut, so I don't think you can make any judgement calls based on that.
i don't think anyone has said she hasn't improved, she absolutely has. Jeremy is doing a great job with her so far from what i've seen. it's just comparing where she's at now and where a skater like Maiia is at right now, Alysa can't beat her.

Also, you can't compare Zagitova's junior debut which was five years ago, and under a different scoring system, to Alysa's.
 
Also, you can't compare Zagitova's junior debut which was five years ago, and under a different scoring system, to Alysa's.
They were just three years apart, and yes there were changes to the scoring system, but I don't think there is any difference to how judges give PCS between these times. My point being that PCS given at the junior level is irrelevant/not an indicator to senior PCS/GOE.

Alina Zagitova's components went up more than 15 points in one year for the exact same program. Alysa Liu as a (presumptive) three time US national champion going into the olympics having improved virtually every aspect of her skating will see a similar increase. And I'm not saying that Alysa is going to be olympic champion, but rather that she will be able to challenge the Russians as a lot of people are writing her off based on component scores received as a first year junior.
 
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I'm anxious to see her new programs and Jeremy's influence.
Is Jeremy Abbott her coach? Her ISU bios is old from19/20. I don't remember her recent music. Or if I even saw a performance from her this season.
 
Is Jeremy Abbott her coach? Her ISU bios is old from19/20. I don't remember her recent music. Or if I even saw a performance from her this season.
Jeremy is part of her coaching team. So I hope he choreographs one of her programs for the Olympic season. She already looked more mature at Nationals, so hopefully by the fall she will look like a senior.
 
What Alysa needs to work on most of all is SPEED. Otherwise, she's just going to be a CarolineZhang2.0. Speed is something that you might not pick up on unless you are watching it live. EVERYTHING looks better with more speed. Her jumps will never get the greatest GOE, but with speed they will look better. It seems so obvious to work on that two or more hours a day, rather than on tiny 4lutzes that never really get around.
 
Don’t get me wrong, I’m comparing where she was at the beginning of the season to were she was at Nationals. She was popping every jump and doing mostly singles and doubles at some point, by Nationals it looked much better overall.
But these are light years between her improvement from "popping every jump and doing mostly singles and doubles" and Olympics podium. And some people here think that she is already a contender. Yes, theoretically everyone is a contender even those skaters who will be in the first group. But practically so far the main target for Alysa is to get into National team. Thanks to Karen there are 3 spots but it does not mean that a spot is Alysa's. Karen, Bradie, Mariah, Amber and others may think otherwise. If she is in the team the task will be to get into the last group for a free program. She has to score above 75 for that. Has she ever scored above 75?
 
Alina Zagitova's components went up more than 15 points in one year for the exact same program. Alysa Liu as a (presumptive) three time US national champion going into the olympics having improved virtually every aspect of her skating will see a similar increase.
This won't happen. Alina went from being the top junior to being the second best senior (and top dog technically), so her marks reflected that. Alysa probably isn't even one of the ten best seniors in the world technically or on PCS, nor was she ever the top junior.
 
This won't happen. Alina went from being the top junior to being the second best senior (and top dog technically), so her marks reflected that. Alysa probably isn't even one of the ten best seniors in the world technically or on PCS, nor was she ever the top junior.
Alysa is not some rando, struggling, mediocre junior.

She is a two time US Champ, GPF silver medalist and a world medalist. I would say that's what "top junior" is. And with her 3A back, she is easily top 10 in the world.
 
But these are light years between her improvement from "popping every jump and doing mostly singles and doubles" and Olympics podium. And some people here think that she is already a contender. Yes, theoretically everyone is a contender even those skaters who will be in the first group. But practically so far the main target for Alysa is to get into National team. Thanks to Karen there are 3 spots but it does not mean that a spot is Alysa's. Karen, Bradie, Mariah, Amber and others may think otherwise. If she is in the team the task will be to get into the last group for a free program. She has to score above 75 for that. Has she ever scored above 75?
Has Daria, Maiia, Trusova ever scored above 75?
 
Alysa is not some rando, struggling, mediocre junior.
I didn't say she was a mediocre junior. I'm saying her PCS marks aren't going to rise like Alina's did. Alysa is going to go into these GP events skating against three very good Russians and one or two very good Japanese skaters. She's not going to get 75+ LP PCS skating against those athletes.
 
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