2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[sclloyd]

Was the scoring too low or too high or just right?

imo the scoring elsewhere is just too high so it makes this look too low even though its just right.

 

[sclloyd]

Depends on who you talk to. My answer on who has the best 2A and triples isn't the same. Next person will probably give a completely different answer. And Sasha got 35.48 SP PCS. What more does she deserve? It's even higher than her RusNats. Maybe highest ever she's received, and at her first GP this year. Sasha is dancing in the clouds.

I was more referring to her FS, which is miles better than the GoT one but is not getting the components props it deserves. I thought she finally got artistic credit for the SkAm program. It should be higher than what she's ever received, it's better than anything she's ever performed.

 

[Vlad Karigov]

idk if its hatred of Eteri or love of Sofia, but yeah, lol. she's good for juniors but she isn't *that* good, lol. Also, there's a reason Maia and Daria are competing in seniors and Sofia Samodelkina isn't. She's got those quads but putting her ahead of Aliona, Maia, and Daria, is uhhh... controversial.

Muravyeva had 138.53 in FS in Austria, with that is going to defeat the 160-170 that will take Khromykh, Usacheva and Kostornaia... Because his coach is the enemy of Russian skating does not make his skaters in the best on the planet. In addition, you still need to consider if she will arrive at the end of the year or she will be injured by another negligence of that camp...

 

[Fluture]

idk if its hatred of Eteri or love of Sofia, but yeah, lol. she's good for juniors but she isn't *that* good, lol. Also, there's a reason Maia and Daria are competing in seniors and Sofia Samodelkina isn't. She's got those quads but putting her ahead of Aliona, Maia, and Daria, is uhhh... controversial.

Yes, she's too young. The post in question was talking about Sofia Muravieva, though. As for whether she‘ll beat the Olympic contenders at RusNats - I doubt it. One, she actually has to land the 3A and quad in competition (which, historically, is a lot harder than just showing them in training and something she‘s never done before) and two, the fed will never allow a non-Olympic girl to surpass the Olympic ones.

 

[silveruskate]

I was more referring to her FS, which is miles better than the GoT one but is not getting the components props it deserves. I thought she finally got artistic credit for the SkAm program. It should be higher than what she's ever received, it's better than anything she's ever performed.

Hm. I don't want to start any fans wars but IMO Sasha's PCS since Jrs has been chronically overscored. Her skating better than ever before is bringing her PCS scores more in line but she still has some ways to go.

The FS, it's built for 5 quads and Sasha has long set ups. It's normal for it to be empty without them and it looked like it.

 

[chasingneverland]

No, not now. But they all have the potental to become GOATs. Of course, not all of them can be otherwise it defeats the purpose of Greatest Of All Time.

That's basically what I was saying haha. Especially in regards to Kamila who it's way to early to do more than speculate much less proclaim her as such.

 

[chasingneverland]

It also depends on whether they'll artificially deflate Sasha's PCS. It's easy to say Aliona's deflated scores are deserved because she was known for her PCS, and well, she's not there anymore (but she's not as bad as the scores say).

BUT POOR SASHA. Her five quad FS at test skates and even her 1 quad FS at SkAm are both artistically so much better than almost anything we've seen this year. In part because there's actually really choreography in it and not just flailing arms accompanied to crossovers and I'm a massive believer that kicking your leg out or doing some "balletic" arm extension in time to the music is not actually choreo, but also because it's just a great layout. But she never gets the artistic credit she deserves. She got a reputation for being all muscle in juniors and the judges haven't let her escape that even though her only weakness now is really her spins. She should be getting better scores in most PCS categories than Kamila and better GOE on jumps than Kamila and Anna. I'd say Anna and Kamila should get better GOE on spins, but Sasha has the SS, THE TRANSITIONS, the composition. The fact that she's still not breaking 9's in at least those three, but really all of the categories, and that her PCS has improved only 1.5 points between Skate Canada 2019 and Skate America 2021 is literally tragic on her end considering how much better she obviously is in all areas.

If judges were more objective with this years programs:
--Liza would absolutely win Performance -- by a good margin. I hate her FS but it's not because she isn't engaged and doesn't sell it. No one else could do that program and not look like a clown. It's so unique to her. Anna can probably eclipse this now that she's apparently back in form. A good Aliona would, but I'm not confident in saying she's there this season. Daria and Kamila's SPs could be up here, but they're too removed from the audience, for it, imo. Maia is definitely tied or ahead of Liza for the SP.
--Sasha would win Transitions, Daria and Anna just behind. She has a choreo filled quad program-- never an uninteresting moment in and out of elements.
--Sasha/Daria would win Skating Skills. Kamila, and Anna a little behind. Anna is great at masking weakness, I think she does so here. Aliona's SS is really dependent on her conditioning, so while she does have some excellent SS, I wouldn't put her at the top as they deteriorate rapidly when she's tired.
--Kamila would get +4/5 GOE on spins obviously but would never get higher +1/+2 on jumps. I'd also take some GOE from Aliona for super tight landings. Maia is a hit or miss with landings, so depending on which one it is, I'd also cap her at +1/+2, at least for combos, esp. with quads. Daria's 2A is like a +5 jump every time. So smooth. When she jumps clean its sort of outrageous she's getting 3's from anyone. Anna, Sasha, and Daria all consistently jump better than Kamila, Aliona, and Maia but I don't think scoring reflects that properly. Aliona jumps better than Kamila, Aliona especially has better combos, while I think Maia and Kamila are very close and I also don't think that's reflected.
--Aliona and Anna would win Interpretation of music-- though not Vivaldi. Sasha, Liza, Kamila, tied slightly behind, Anna slightly ahead of Aliona. However, Maia's SP for me beats Aliona and Anna as is, it's just her weakness in the FS still that puts the total impression behind Anna and Aliona. Same with Liza, where she would win FS interpretation for me, but really loses a lot of that in the SP.
--Sasha would win composition, Anna just behind. I'd take marks from Kamila's Bolero because the choreography has nothing to do with the music and as soon as she's off beat from a fall or something, it just looks (and sounds) worse than it already does. Sasha used to get marked down on composition because "the program was empty" until she completed the quads. Exact same qualm here. Nothing going on until the quads are done. Maia's SP would again get great marks from me for composition.

I would also like to personally fire Judge 3 at Skate Canada who gave negative GOE to non-disruptive URs in Liza's and Aliona's performances, gave Mai a ZERO for her CLEAN 3Lz-2T-2Lo combo and then gave Kamila a +1 for the 3A step out-- while giving Aliona a -3 for a near identical step out, and a 0 in the short for a LANDED 3A. AND they gave Bolero a 10.0 for composition? Unforgivably biased judging. Other judges were horrible, too. You would think Aliona splatted on the 3A and 3Lz but the 3Lz was landed and the judges still marked it worse than Kamila's 3A step-out. Unweighted to the element value, Kamila's GOE on the step-out was -1.66. Aliona's UR Lutz was -1.89. HOW.

I'm sorry. Sasha has skating skills?!?!? I LOVE Sasha but her strength is NOT SS although she has improved especially under Plushy.

 

[soccerjc77]

Who think like me that Anna Scherbakova should go in this direction with her dress like example Madison Chock : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw9zxmvRQOI

For me Anna program should be a mix of gold and green color, it would be awesome and would suit the SP program better

 

[Scott512]

imo the scoring elsewhere is just too high so it makes this look too low even though its just right.

I'm good with that too as long as they're consistent from tournament to tournament and we have no signs that they are going to be doing that.

 

[flanker]

Who think like me that Anna Scherbakova should go in this direction with her dress like example Madison Chock : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw9zxmvRQOI

For me Anna program should be a mix of gold and green color, it would be awesome and would suit the SP program better

I'm sorry but this dress is terribly ugly to me. Well everyone has his taste.

 

[alexocfp]

^ Are you a sports betting broker or something?

I wish because I would be rolling in cash.

Just a a sports fan that likes to follow the odds to see where the money is, and isn’t, going.

Odds are important because you have people actually putting their money on their predictions.

It’s easy to rank people for free. It’s stress and monetarily free.

You make different decisions when you think with your money and not your heart. Also forces you to be honest with yourself.

 

[silveruskate]

Yes, she's too young. The post in question was talking about Sofia Muravieva, though, who is actually the same age as Maiia and Daria and thus senior eligible. As for whether she‘ll beat the Olympic contenders at RusNats - I doubt it. One, she actually has to land the 3A and quad in competition (which, historically, is a lot harder than just showing them in training) and two, the fed will never allow a non-Olympic girl to surpass the Olympic ones.

Yes Muravieva is the same age but born 4th August. She's not Sr. eligible?

 

[sclloyd]

I'm sorry. Sasha has skating skills?!?!? I LOVE Sasha but her strength is NOT SS although she has improved especially under Plushy.

in the past, definitely in juniors, i'd agree. but i think now she's actually very good, and very underrated.

 

[Fluture]

Yes Muravieva is the same age but born 4th August. She's not Sr. eligible?

Ah, then I must have missed something, sorry. Will correct it.

 

[sclloyd]

Yes, she's too young. The post in question was talking about Sofia Muravieva, though. As for whether she‘ll beat the Olympic contenders at RusNats - I doubt it. One, she actually has to land the 3A and quad in competition (which, historically, is a lot harder than just showing them in training and something she‘s never done before) and two, the fed will never allow a non-Olympic girl to surpass the Olympic ones.

for some reason i thought she was 15 or 16? probably got the two mixed up. muravieva is old enough right? but samo isn't? i thought it was the other way around.

 

[nussnacker]

Yes Muravieva is the same age but born 4th August. She's not Sr. eligible?

She’ll be senior eligible next season.
It will be a battle between Sofias, Adelia and Nastia to get senior GP spots.
I would assume not all 4 will get 2 spots, because Tuks and Samodurova‘s spots might be free, but that’s not enough for all of them. If Daria doesn’t gain a jump, I would suppose her spot will be gone as well.

Probably each of them need to post the SB as high as possible, and there are only 2 opportunities left in total to do that. GPF and JrWorlds.
GPF win/SB is not possible for Sofia S. and Nastia Z. since they didn’t make it.
Adelia and Sofia M. both have to score as high as they can to be as high as possible in top24 list.
Sofia S. and Nastia Z. have to make JrWorlds and medal there. If not, it will be really hard to get a spot.
Sofia M. and Adelia also ideally need to make Jr Worlds and get a medal there, because it would probably be a better guarantee for Rusfed.

But all 4 will have to face Akatieva (and maybe Zhilina) at JGPF and likely JrWorlds. Akatieva would try not to give away gold medals on these events and she’s not senior eligible next season. Zhilina might also get a JrWorld spot, if she’s healthy and performs well, and that would leave the above girls with only 1 spot left for JrWorlds.

Tough times for these girls. Getting onto senior GP would be really really hard.

 

[icybear]

Looking at the results I thought the 2 Eteri girls must have had major errors to have gifted away the top spot to a non top competitive skater. (Not to be rude but she hasnt won any medals gp or isu championship wise). But the only major error is Anna popping the 3t into 2t. This is strange because I'm sure in another event the judges would have definitely found a way to float her up to the top. No instant +5/4 goe as long as they land the jump or instant pcs climb for the junior here. I guess my brain has gotten used to Russian inflation, it feels like injustice when it doesnt happen.

 

[Paulipau]

Also, there's a reason Maia and Daria are competing in seniors and Sofia Samodelkina isn't.

Yes, they are older. This is the reason.

And no need to be rude, I ain't no hater of anybody and everybody is entitled to their own predictions.

 

[alexocfp]

Woah on the talk of Kamila as GOAT. Let’s pump the brakes a bit.

So far so good, but it won’t amount to much but a blip if her Olympics are a dud results wise.

If she dazzles and breaks the record at the Olympics, then we can certainly talk. Is she GOAT contender? Without doubt. But GOATS get judged by GOAT criteria, and that includes Olympic golds and national and world championships. GP’s are GOAT enhancers, not primary GOAT considerations.

If the program is done even better at the Olympics than what we saw at Canada, it will certainly be the greatest skate of all time.

And it will be historic for another reason: it will put a stamp that the new technical era is in full bloom. Girls watching everywhere will know, without question, that to be successful now, you need quads.

The general population has no idea how much the sport has evolved. They will be in for a shock.

 

[Lzbee]

And it will be historic for another reason: it will put a stamp that the new technical era is in full bloom. Girls watching everywhere will know, without question, that to be successful now, you need quads.

Didn't that already happen when 3A went 1-2-3 with their ultra elements in 19/20 season?

(Although I guess the Olympics is a different audience altogether)