2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[florin]

сIn my opinion, the only problematic thing that Daniil said was the bit about "Aliona shouldn't have thanked us". Everyone in TT makes post competition thank you posts, so it seems that maybe he is annoyed by her right now.

Why are you twisting it like that? Daniil didn't say exactly like that.

It seems to me that you understand Russian (сorrect me if I'm wrong). Some problem is that at this point in the interview, Daniil speaks abruptly, not very clearly expressing his thought:

Если бы это еще больше, скажем так, прокладывалось не в благодарности в инстаграме, а в тренировочном процессе…

Do you agree that it is difficult to translate into English? Therefore, I will first translate from Daniil-language into Russian , and then into English (and you control me)

my version: Но хотелось бы чтобы это (открытость и искренность) выражалось не столько в инстаграме сколько в тренировочном процессе - But I would like this (openness and sincerity) to be expressed not so much in Instagram as in the training process

Now I can with a clear conscience give a translation of what Daniil says:

"Alyona posted a very kind, sincere post, where she thanked us for working with her. But I would like this (openness and sincerity) to be expressed not so much in Instagram as in the training process. We don't need gratitude from her, our task is to help her reach her maximum"

For me, Daniil's general idea is clear. He, of course, does not mind that Alyona does post competition thank you posts. He was talking about the second part of it - "Thank you for putting up with everything I allow myself". In fact, Daniel replied to this: Alyona, thank you for a sincere conversation. But we need deeds, not words.

 

[flanker]

The point stands for ALL people of this "new generation"! As I said - unemployment lowest ever. And generation Instagram figure skates very well!

The merit of the relative prosperity we are currently experiencing (and that allows us to have completely useless occupations or useless brachnes of study) doesn't belong to the current generation, incl. me, BTW. But you seem to be completely off the place still. Nevermind, it's not what the core is here.

The fact is that you won't become a champion by posting nice posts. Yes, they are nice. But if the team is putting an effort into a skater, yes, then the biggest reward for the team is when the skater makes a good use of it. That's the whole point.

 

[florin]

Nowadays, Eteri has ties with the Russian figure skating gotha so it can be really useful to have her on your good side if you intend to have professional opportunities in the figure skating world. She can help you find a job as a coach or even hire you (Tsurskaya currently trains kids at Sambo upon ET indication; I don't know if she helped also Tursynbaeva find her current job or if this was indipendent), she can find you a partner and redirect you to a good ice dance coach if you wish to switch to ice dancing (Kanysheva). She has her own show in Russia and other countries and she chooses the athletes that are to be featured there. Last but not least, she has ties to two of the most important show productors in Russia, Navka and Averbukh, that can lead to partecipation of skaters in TV programs as host (Zagitova, Medvedeva in the past) or as a competitor (Medvedeva) and to partecipation in the shows produced by them (both girls).
Aliona has always said that she doesn't wish to stay in the figure skating world but if she changes idea it is a good thing to have ET on your part (even more so when the relationship with the other big show producer, Plushenko, is already compromised).

Oh, I see, the old song about Donna Eteri

"You're throwing me a youre jacket. But you do it without respect"

 

[Amei]

And yet, I have a feeling that Eteri seems to be very good in holding back her opinions and usually she does not directly criticise her students. Why Daniil can't do that as well?

I have the same impression after reading that 'interview'.

I believe that there are certain standards of behaviour that apply in particular in the public sphere and I feel that Daniil crossed the line here a little bit. My biggest issue is that Aliona thanked her team (does not matter if it was Instagram/TV interview or whatever, she publicly showed gratitude) and as a result she got publicly criticized for it from her team. I would have less problem if she was told: 'hey, we do not need your thank you, just work harder' but behind the scenes.

Personally, I do not believe that Daniil had any ill intensions, however as a result he turned out to be inconsiderate and lacking of a good manner, which shows that he still has a lot to learn to be a great coach.

I'm inclined to think Daniil isn't saying anything that Eteri is unaware or disapproves of

Slacker? What rubbish. Working hard is relative. She works very hard by any standard of an average person or even skilled person. Sambo is another level. Still doing better than most skaters in the world. 18 has been a tough time for LOTS of athletes in FS. Evgenia and Alina both had a tough time, Kihira now. Too much undue attention on Aliona, just let her train.

Anyone can say Aliona's haughty or whatever else. I didn't want her to leave Sambo, but Daniil gave the music she chose to another skater and it's a great program. Can you put your hand on heart and say you would not be pissssed?

And yet she came back to them...

 

[silveruskate]

I'm inclined to think Daniil isn't saying anything that Eteri is unaware or disapproves of



And yet she came back to them...

She did and I'm happy. Pointing out that just because she came back doesn't mean all fault is hers or that something meaningful could not have happened that upset her. None of us were in the room with them yet some people like to pretend they were.

 

[alexocfp]

Slacker? What rubbish. Working hard is relative. She works very hard by any standard of an average person or even skilled person. Sambo is another level. Still doing better than most skaters in the world. 18 has been a tough time for LOTS of athletes in FS. Evgenia and Alina both had a tough time, Kihira now. Too much undue attention on Aliona, just let her train.

Anyone can say Aliona's haughty or whatever else. I didn't want her to leave Sambo, but Daniil gave the music she chose to another skater and it's a great program. Can you put your hand on heart and say you would not be pissssed?

Not arguing that it’s not relative. But Sambo 70 has different standards. You either keep up or get trampled. The coaches there are telling you her work isn’t up to their standards.

And yes, I’d be pissed. But if I made a decision to leave, I would never go back again. That you go back means you lose all your leverage.

 

[flanker]

And yet, I have a feeling that Eteri seems to be very good in holding back her opinions and usually she does not directly criticise her students. Why Daniil can't do that as well?

I have the same impression after reading that 'interview'.

I believe that there are certain standards of behaviour that apply in particular in the public sphere and I feel that Daniil crossed the line here a little bit. My biggest issue is that Aliona thanked her team (does not matter if it was Instagram/TV interview or whatever, she publicly showed gratitude) and as a result she got publicly criticized for it from her team. I would have less problem if she was told: 'hey, we do not need your thank you, just work harder' but behind the scenes.

Personally, I do not believe that Daniil had any ill intensions, however as a result he turned out to be inconsiderate and lacking of a good manner, which shows that he still has a lot to learn to be a great coach.

She was not "criticized for thanking her team". What that meant was basically what I said above. The real reward for an effort put into a skater is when the skater makes a good use of it in competition, which is somehow difficult to see for part of the fans. The whole reason for all the sweat, injuries, risk etc. is to reach the limit or to cross it, not exchanging likes on social networks.

 

[silveruskate]

Not arguing that it’s not relative. But Sambo 70 has different standards. You either keep up or get trampled. The coaches there are telling you her work isn’t up to their standards.

And yes, I’d be pissed. But if I made a decision to leave, I would never go back again. That you go back means you lose all your leverage.

It's fair, I agree. And about the leverage too.

 

[alexocfp]

Nowadays, Eteri has ties with the Russian figure skating gotha so it can be really useful to have her on your good side if you intend to have professional opportunities in the figure skating world. She can help you find a job as a coach or even hire you (Tsurskaya currently trains kids at Sambo upon ET indication; I don't know if she helped also Tursynbaeva find her current job or if this was indipendent), she can find you a partner and redirect you to a good ice dance coach if you wish to switch to ice dancing (Kanysheva). She has her own show in Russia and other countries and she chooses the athletes that are to be featured there. Last but not least, she has ties to two of the most important show productors in Russia, Navka and Averbukh, that can lead to partecipation of skaters in TV programs as host (Zagitova, Medvedeva in the past) or as a competitor (Medvedeva) and to partecipation in the shows produced by them (both girls).
Aliona has always said that she doesn't wish to stay in the figure skating world but if she changes idea it is a good thing to have ET on your part (even more so when the relationship with the other big show producer, Plushenko, is already compromised).

Nothing wrong with this. She has connections that you can use after your competitive career is over. Networking is part of business.

 

[Lzbee]

Daniil has shown that he has no faith in Aliona. Yes, he has faith in her talent but he has no faith in her as a person. There's a limit to how much a person can take without any encouragement and the public dumping of Aliona has been going on for 18 months now. Any more criticism when she's trying right now is going to be counterproductive.

Part of a coach's job is to shield their skaters from unnecessary drama and distractions and yet, here, Daniil is creating the biggest drama himself. The part about "don't thank us, just do" definitely should be said in private.

Because who needs haters when you have coaches like that eh? Just look at the reactions towards Aliona in this thread. He knows full well what happens when he talks about her, so he should have prepared sufficiently canned answers to avoid drama.

THis has happened too many times now that I have no more sympathy for any criticism he's getting.

 

[bookofcharms]

Last but not least, she has ties to two of the most important show productors in Russia, Navka and Averbukh, that can lead to partecipation of skaters in TV programs as host (Zagitova, Medvedeva in the past) or as a competitor (Medvedeva) and to partecipation in the shows produced by them (both girls).
Aliona has always said that she doesn't wish to stay in the figure skating world but if she changes idea it is a good thing to have ET on your part (even more so when the relationship with the other big show producer, Plushenko, is already compromised).

Eteri also works as a manager for her skaters. She has contracts with them where she takes a percentage of their earnings (apparently quite a large percentage). (As opposed to other models where a skater pays by the hour for coaching).

So when her skaters get sponsorships, prize money, show appearances, etc Eteri gets a cut. And so of course, she will ensure to the best of her ability that her skaters get good positions in ice shows, media etc. I think this is a major reason Medvedeva returned to her, so she could benefit from the professional connections. Also, a beautiful Zagitova doing well in professional skating and making money is far more valuable to Eteri than her struggling in competition.

Kostornaya would, in my opinion, make an excellent professional skater. She is beautiful and has tonnes of performance quality. She would actually be an asset to Eteri if she became successful in ice shows. So I think the team certainly still has a lot to gain from Kostornaya in that sense. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a move to transition her into professional skating after this season.

 

[alexocfp]

We also failed to mention that figure skating is a sport, therefore you are more in the public eye. So coaches can criticize you out in the open.

Besides, any conversations in private would have leaked sooner or later. There are too many eyes inside and outside, watching. And the press there covers the sport everyday. It’s not a place where you can keep secrets.

 

[prorussian fan]

Eteri just unfollowed again Alyona from Instagram. It's a drama!!!

 

[silveruskate]

I can see 2 strands. One is that Daniil doesn't think she's training well and wants her to. He doesn't want to have to "put up" with her but that she shows the gratitude completely on the practice ice. It makes sense that he wasn't best enthusiastic when she got a good SP result at Finlandia because he probably thinks it's rewarding lack of effort.

Then number 2 it's true there's so much negativity around Aliona when these things come out. Unfair criticisms and the rest. No looking at the positives. He could have told her this in private. Or maybe he did and didn't like her reaction who knows. I did not like how he laughed she needs working on all the other jumps. Her jumping has improved lots and only one 3Lz step out is all aside from 3A.

 

[alexocfp]

Eteri just unfollowed again Alyona from Instagram. It's a drama!!!

Well, people were taking a lot about Loena, so they had to turn attention away from her. Haha

They always seem to bring the drama. This one close out of nowhere.

Channel 1 is missing the chance to make billions: just stick some cameras and microphones at Sambo 70 and let them go. Will be the greatest show in TV history. Haha

 

[alexocfp]

Where's my popcorn emoji?
oh, yeah

Let’s highlight this post. Ended up being prescient. Haha

 

[florin]

Eteri just unfollowed again Alyona from Instagram. It's a drama!!!

Music from Jaws should be playing here

 

[Amei]

Eteri just unfollowed again Alyona from Instagram. It's a drama!!!

My question is how do people figure out if someone with a multitude of people they follow stops following a single person?

 

[lopsilceci]

Why are you twisting it like that? Daniil didn't say exactly like that.

It seems to me that you understand Russian (сorrect me if I'm wrong). Some problem is that at this point in the interview, Daniil speaks abruptly, not very clearly expressing his thought:

Если бы это еще больше, скажем так, прокладывалось не в благодарности в инстаграме, а в тренировочном процессе…

Do you agree that it is difficult to translate into English? Therefore, I will first translate from Daniil-language into Russian , and then into English (and you control me)

my version: Но хотелось бы чтобы это (открытость и искренность) выражалось не столько в инстаграме сколько в тренировочном процессе - But I would like this (openness and sincerity) to be expressed not so much in Instagram as in the training process

Now I can with a clear conscience give a translation of what Daniil says:

"Alyona posted a very kind, sincere post, where she thanked us for working with her. But I would like this (openness and sincerity) to be expressed not so much in Instagram as in the training process. We don't need gratitude from her, our task is to help her reach her maximum"

For me, Daniil's general idea is clear. He, of course, does not mind that Alyona does post competition thank you posts. He was talking about the second part of it - "Thank you for putting up with everything I allow myself". In fact, Daniel replied to this: Alyona, thank you for a sincere conversation. But we need deeds, not words.

No, unfortunately I don't understand russian at all, had to go by Google's Translation and I was just paraphrasing. Thanks for explaining the context of the whole sentence.
I still don't think it was really necessary of him to mention the IG post, as it comes across as a bit dismissive of her trying to express gratitude, but I understand the point he was trying to make.

 

[alexocfp]

My question is how do people figure out if someone with a multitude of people they follow stops following a single person?

Easy: it’s Russian ladies figure skating. Haha