If the output is the same, that means the other thing can be the same way serious! It can be more positive for the future development of her skating career for sure, and that is what i'm hoping for. And for all your notifications, it is not less serious to be in a psychological distress comparing to physical one.
, but to address the secondary matter of spots for 2023 Worlds:
I’ve only gotten to speak to her at FOFS but she’s always been very nice to me. And her husband is an amazing human being as well.
As people we are not always responsible for the negative actions of those around us. Alexa and Vanessa are having to deal with the actions of their former coach and former partner. Vanessa’s life was impacted negatively due to someone else’s actions, not her own. Her pairs team was one of the top 3 in the world and ended abruptly. Close friends or family members who have made bad choices in their actions, should not mean you completely abandon those people. Love and friendship does not end easily. If Alexa and Vanessa were not contributing to or condoning those actions, because they are not publicly lambasting the accused, does not mean they have not let their disappointment be known personally. What would you do if it were your friend or loved one?
Cant read the whole thread as I am in shock. Thoughts for her husband and the whole extended family and team. I saw Jessica duBee (sp) get hit in the face by her partner's blade in a side by side spin...a group of 8th graders just had left behind me...Bryce Davidson...that was the partner's name...I am trying to unsee the face of Ashley's mom and Ashley's face....prayersI don’t understand what you are saying
Since Ashley has shown no signs in competition of any “fight or flight” response, if that was what it was, it would be temporary and she could recover more quickly.
If it is in fact a concussion, it would be a major physical injury requiring weeks, if not months, of recovery.
and I’m not going back in the thread, so please correct me if I misphrased, but I believe you said you thought it was some psychological issue *rather than* a major physical injury. As though it were one or the other.
I trust the hospital evaluation will tell us how major this physical injury is
ETA: Re-reading, if we are both hoping that Ashley can recover quickly, then maybe we are saying the same thing. Except there is nothing in Ashley’s public history while skating to show a history of stress reaction, while unfortunately there is a history of concussion.
Cant read the whole thread as I am in shock. Thoughts for her husband and the whole extended family and team. I saw Jessica duBee (sp) get hit in the face by her partner's blade in a side by side spin...a group of 8th graders just had left behind me...Bryce Davidson...that was the partner's name...I am trying to unsee the face of Ashley's mom and Ashley's face....prayersI don’t understand what you are saying
Since Ashley has shown no signs in competition of any “fight or flight” response, if that was what it was, it would be temporary and she could recover more quickly.
If it is in fact a concussion, it would be a major physical injury requiring weeks, if not months, of recovery.
and I’m not going back in the thread, so please correct me if I misphrased, but I believe you said you thought it was some psychological issue *rather than* a major physical injury. As though it were one or the other.
I trust the hospital evaluation will tell us how major this physical injury is
ETA: Re-reading, if we are both hoping that Ashley can recover quickly, then maybe we are saying the same thing. Except there is nothing in Ashley’s public history while skating to show a history of stress reaction, while unfortunately there is a history of concussion.
Exactly....who was that comedian that bumped his head, then layed down and died in the night a month or two ago?
I have no idea who likes what on Twitter, I'm not on it. I do remember Knierims together with Sappenfield doubting Coughlin was at fault though. And the whole Sappenfield funding his funeral.. eh. But feel free to correct me, my memory is not always right.
Bob Saget
I am with you. I saw into her eyes for a split second when she raised her head. Lights on, nobody home. Skaters fall all the time....she wasnt in shock mentally......lets see what the hospital says.Not from what I saw
All the classic signs of a concussion, not that I am an MD. And thank God they took the camera off of her.
As someone who recently got a minor concussion from what, seemed like at the time, a very minor injury and suddenly fainted and lost consciousness several hours later. I agree with this. You never know what fall, what hit, will trigger a concussion. My husband said Ashley's eyes looked like mine right before I fainted. I hope she gets a lot of rest. She , unfortunately, has experience with this but for anyone else who gets a concussion make sure you rest. I kept thinking I was fine and trying to get back to my regular schedule but the symptoms would suddenly emerge again anytime I was tired. I just hope she gets better soon.
Excellent sum up.
You’d think I’d get tired of being wrong. I just remembered that last year when Nathan won and Vincent didn’t make the free last year I kept hearing all he would have had to do was to make the free to win the 3 spots outright and not have to confirm them at Nebelhorn. So I got this confused with thatMy first concern by far is for Ashley's health
I believe USA did earn three pair spots for 2023 Worlds.
I think the ISU rule below means that USA will be treated as if it had only one 2022 pair entry ... which placed first -- meaning that three spots were earned.
From Rule 378 on pp. 25-26 of https://isu.org/figure-skating/rules/fsk-regulations-rules/file:
"However the Competitors who withdrew because of:- illness or injury, (provided this illness or injury is certified by the ISU Medical Advisor) or- unexpected damage to the equipment during the warm up or the performance (provided this damage of the equipment is certified by the Referee),
are not considered as entered for the purpose of this Rule if they did not start or finish the Free Skating/Free Dance, but were among the top ten in the Short Program/Rhythm Dance."
For the purpose of this rule, Cain-Gribble/LeDuc would not be considered as entered -- because they did not finish the FS and they did place in the top ten in the SP.
Sorry that I do not know whether someone else on GS posted this rule earlier.
Apologies if I missed it -- have not attempted to keep up with everything on GS today.
Side note for future reference: No, the normal requirement for three spots is not what you said.
"Competitors who qualified for the Free Skating/Free Dance, but were not placed higher than 16th place in the final result will be awarded 16 points (or the number of points equal to the number of Competitors if the number of Competitors entered is less than 16 in cases of withdrawals not specified in the paragraph below)."
For three spots, thirteen is the maximum number of total placement points for two entries (or highest two of three entries).
I was scrolling on FB and Randy Gardner posted a very kind post congratulating them. I was like WHAT?!?! So I came here to look for the results. I'm so happy for Kneirim and her decision to continue after her husband's injuries. And now she is a world champion! So happy for her. And even better, I am ecstatic for Vanessa and Eric and their winning bronze after only a year together. Amazing skaters and very deserving of all the success they have achieved. Yay for Vanessa/Eric and your success is a testament to your characters. Good job.
