2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Scott512]

There's always a post-Olympic meeting between Olympic medalists and the president(aka Putin). It's been canceled twice already. This is also when they get their car as a gift IIRC.They want the athletes to go into quarantine before this meeting though.

I think they should cancel the meeting this time at least if it's public. All the athletes deserve their Rewards. Let that happen privately maybe not publicly.

 

[Fluture]

I actually made a comment related to that earlier, the 2 teams that went to the rally are athletes that from what I've seen intended to retire this season; i wonder if that was by design for the fight with the ISU for competing going forward, no athletes that plan to compete included in the rally.

And didn't that Urgant guy that had the show the skaters went on lose that show because of his outspoken views on the war? Thats what I've seen said on here, so yes there would appear to be limits on what they can and cannot do without repercussions.

The Russian Skating Union, Figure Skating Federation of Russia, Semen Elistratov, Angelika Golikova, Evgenia Tarasova & Vladimir Morozov have filed an appeal with CAS against the ISU’s ban on Russian athletes. They seek annulment of the decision.

Whether that means they plan to compete, I don't know but it's certainly rich coming from them.

Also, this isn't skating but Listunova and Urazova attended, who are both 16/17 and most definitely planning to compete in the coming seasons. Melnikova, meanwhile, by far their biggest star in Tokyo, older and more likely to retire, wasn't there. Where's the logic in that? So, either they purposefully only chose older skaters in figure skating while not applying that logic to other sports, or T/M and S/K were the only skaters to accept.

As for Urgant, yes, I believe his show was canceled, that's why Shcherbakova's last segment never got aired. I don't have a ton of information on him but from what I've heard, his protests were much more vocal than simply not attending a war rally. So, obviously there are limits; often quite harsh ones, too. I don't think more needs to be said about this, everyone has heard or seen repercussions in the media.

All I was saying is that some tried to subtly show they were against the war, while others attended war rallies and appeared to be quite proud to do so, too. And unlike Listunova and Urazova, S/K and T/M aren't teenagers either, they know what they're doing. So, given all these arguments, I see no reason why we should be making excuses for them. None at all.

 

[macy]

The Russian Skating Union, Figure Skating Federation of Russia, Semen Elistratov, Angelika Golikova, Evgenia Tarasova & Vladimir Morozov have filed an appeal with CAS against the ISU’s ban on Russian athletes. They seek annulment of the decision.

Whether that means they plan to compete, I don't know but it's certainly rich coming from them.

Also, this isn't skating but Listunova and Urazova attended, who are both 16/17 and most definitely planning to compete in the coming seasons. Melnikova, meanwhile, by far their biggest star in Tokyo, older and more likely to retire, wasn't there. Where's the logic in that? So, either they purposefully only chose older skaters in figure skating while not applying that logic to other sports, or T/M and S/K were the only skaters to accept.

As for Urgant, yes, I believe his show was canceled, that's why Shcherbakova's last segment never got aired. I don't have a ton of information on him but from what I've heard, his protests were much more vocal than simply not attending a war rally. So, obviously there are limits; often quite harsh ones, too. I don't think more needs to be said about this, everyone has heard or seen repercussions in the media.

All I was saying is that some tried to subtly show they were against the war, while others attended war rallies and appeared to be quite proud to do so, too. And unlike Listunova and Urazova, S/K and T/M aren't teenagers either, they know what they're doing. So, given all these arguments, I see no reason why we should be making excuses for them. None at all.

that is rather rich.

Melnikova posted today a good luck post to the athletes competing at nationals, she said she always planned to sit it out to rest even back at the olympics but is planning a return for 2024. interesting.

 

[Scott512]

Agree, if the suspension goes too long there are going to be retirements from the older skaters (Tuktamysheva, Shcherbakova, etc.) that have won a lot internationally. I don't know about the lower-aged skaters, I mean 1 of the great things about Russian skating is that it has domestic competitions all the time for their younger age skaters, so competing domestically only is something they are used to.



I actually think she needs to get 'broken down' a little bit - she's said before that her coaches tried to advise her to do less quads and focus elsewhere and cited that as a reason she left and went to Plushenko; there was something with Plushenko as well that caused her to leave, he referenced in an interview that he didn't know how to handle her personality. Eteri appeared to take the approach, let her do it her (Trusova's) way and when it inevitably doesn't work out, it will be on her vs. trying to fight her. 1 thing that both Shcherbakova and Zagitova had in their background was that they had to fight back from injuries to get to the Olympics; Shcherbakova was written off right and left, including up to the Europeans FS. Trusova came into seniors winning everything as a junior except 1 competition, on this board it wasn't talked about if she would win but by how much, she got anointed with the various nicknames like 'quad queen'. I kinda wonder if it went to her head and was the source behind her lack of listening to her coaches advisements to focus less on the quads. We heard it on the broadcast at the Olympics that her mindset is winning is first place, everything else is losing; on the other hand Shcherbakova has often talked about she only wants to go out and show her best. Sadly I've seen it remarked that people wished Trusova had won because Shcherbakova wouldn't have reacted the way Trusova did and there wouldn't have been as much focus on meltdowns before the flower ceremony - which is terrible, just because 1 handles 'losing' better.



ISU Communication referencing membership fees



I will stress here, that was something I had seen mentioned on (I think on GS), I've got no idea if its truth, rumor or somewhere in between



I have no idea how any of that would work.



What was the rally? It depends on who you ask, Western media says 1 thing, Russian media says something else. My opinion - truth lies somewhere in the middle. Regarding athlete participation, I have a neutral opinion on that, because if even half of what the Western media says is true, then I doubt they were given a choice at all or felt like they could say 'no'.

Skaters will retire unless there's some kind of alternate League at least in Russia that could offer them something alternative to what the isu does and maybe offer them greater Financial rewards for attending or placing on the podium. Plushys says to invite skaters from around the world to skate in these competitions and that's certainly a possibility if the financial rewards are worth it. But unless it's some kind of Russian oligarchs financing such a alternative League to the international skating union I don't see how it has any chance because of all the sanctions on Russia right now they aren't exactly in a great financial position.

As for Sasha I hope she comes back but there's a lot of confusion about what's going on with her country and Sports in her country and that has to get figured out first. I don't blame her or Anna for being bitter at the Federation for choosing not to put them in the team event free skate when the gold medal was already well decided by then. Choosing not to spread the gold medal wealth around to one of those Fabulous Girls or T and M should get get people fired at the Federation.
Yes Sasha did it her way and was super spectacular but doing the 3A in the SP cost her a few points.

Yes the comments on the internet are there wishing Sasha had won Gold and Anna the silver because the Fury from Sasha would not have happened if she won the gold and Anna the silver.

I could not blame any of these young Russian skaters if they don't speak out against their leader like you pointed out Amei there may be repurcussions. But I would hope not. Although I think it would be fine if any of these Russian athletes says they are against this or they hate War.

On their website CAS has an update on their hearing of the Russian appeal against being banned internationally with figure skating. I'm not sure how they will rule on the Russian appeall but the world Olympians Association has gone against Thomas Bach the head of the ioc and they expressed their support for the Russian athletes competing.

I hope they all stay motivated. But the Russian figure skaters probably can't stay motivated if they are twisting in the wind for a year or so.

 

[Scott512]

The Russian Skating Union, Figure Skating Federation of Russia, Semen Elistratov, Angelika Golikova, Evgenia Tarasova & Vladimir Morozov have filed an appeal with CAS against the ISU’s ban on Russian athletes. They seek annulment of the decision.

Whether that means they plan to compete, I don't know but it's certainly rich coming from them.

Also, this isn't skating but Listunova and Urazova attended, who are both 16/17 and most definitely planning to compete in the coming seasons. Melnikova, meanwhile, by far their biggest star in Tokyo, older and more likely to retire, wasn't there. Where's the logic in that? So, either they purposefully only chose older skaters in figure skating while not applying that logic to other sports, or T/M and S/K were the only skaters to accept.

As for Urgant, yes, I believe his show was canceled, that's why Shcherbakova's last segment never got aired. I don't have a ton of information on him but from what I've heard, his protests were much more vocal than simply not attending a war rally. So, obviously there are limits; often quite harsh ones, too. I don't think more needs to be said about this, everyone has heard or seen repercussions in the media.

All I was saying is that some tried to subtly show they were against the war, while others attended war rallies and appeared to be quite proud to do so, too. And unlike Listunova and Urazova, S/K and T/M aren't teenagers either, they know what they're doing. So, given all these arguments, I see no reason why we should be making excuses for them. None at all.

Thanks for the info.. They have every right to an appeal. There is no precedent for this. Sadly we have had many countries involved in Wars and invasions this Century alone and no one's athletes ever got banished. Nor should they have. What happened to the Urgant show? Did that guy criticize the war and this show got cancelled? If so that's kind of the same thing that's happening to the Russian athletes. Ironic.

 

[Pereiro]

What happened to the Urgant show? Did that guy criticize the war and this show got cancelled?

Actually no one knows.
He post i think some absolutely standard non-political message (it was just black square i think and maybe write something like "stop the war" or similar) and leave country.
Then 1 Channel said that no, all is okay, show will be resumed soon, and Urgant also write that in insta.
But now people are saying that he decide to relocate to Israel permanently.
I mean, as far as people know - nobody go for him, and it is understandable because as i said it was standard anti-war message. It seems he simply overreacting.

I mean - here in Russia right now it is two different things - "war should stop" and "this operation is bad". First one is completely harmless personal opinion, second is anti-Russian stance from government point of view.

This is btw why no one is blame Diana and Gleb for their message (or message that they like in insta, i forgot). It is normal personal opinion. War is bad, no one arguing against it.

 

[Scott512]

Actually no one knows.
He post i think some absolutely standard non-political message (it was just black square i think and maybe write something like "stop the war" or similar) and leave country.
Then 1 Channel said that no, all is okay, show will be resumed soon, and Urgant also write that in insta.
But now people are saying that he decide to relocate to Israel permanently.
I mean, as far as people know - nobody go for him, and it is understandable because as i said it was standard anti-war message. It seems he simply overreacting.

I mean - here in Russia right now it is two different things - "war should stop" and "this operation is bad". First one is completely harmless personal opinion, second is anti-Russian stance from government point of view.

This is btw why no one is blame Diana and Gleb for their message (or message that they like in insta, i forgot). It is normal personal opinion. War is bad, no one arguing against it.

What did Diana say?

Thank you for that information on the show but it should not have been canceled since it had Anna in it and I think everyone in the their right mind is against war. We've lived with war our whole lives. Sad. Now it's Russia and I guess it matters more now somehow.

I think the ants high war messages are fine from Russian athletes to take on their government is another matter and I think most of them are refraining from doing that.

 

[Pereiro]

What did Diana say?

She post "No to war, we are for peace" at her insta with this picture

 

[Scott512]

She post "No to war, we are for peace" at her insta with this picture

Thanks. It was beautiful. I'm sure most Russians feel the same way.

 

[PiggytailProdigy]

Sorry for bringing everyone away from the gloom but Sofia Dzepka is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She just competed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[PiggytailProdigy]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CcFr82CJq2P/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Dzepka competed with her old sp but alas she's back!

 

[DougDorsey]

Besides the novice nationals events, what would folks consider to be the "major" novice competitions during the season?

 

[brakes]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CcFr82CJq2P/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Dzepka competed with her old sp but alas she's back!

Didn't she disappear few years ago?
Melkumova did as well, but it was well known she had injuries, but Dzepka's absence was a mystery?

 

[Amei]

Didn't she disappear few years ago?
Melkumova did as well, but it was well known she had injuries, but Dzepka's absence was a mystery?

The description in that Instagram post says it was 2 years since her last competition

 

[flanker]

Team on the way:

 

[flanker]

Ренат Лайшев: «Хрустальный» станет частью СШОР № 2. Официально это будет утверждено с 1 сентября»

Президент центра спорта и образования «Самбо-70» Ренат Лайшев рассказал, когда ледовый дворец «Хрустальный» перейдет под другое управление. «Хрустальный» станет частью СШОР № 2.

www.sports.ru

"Crystal" will become part of SSHOR No. 2. Within the next month, the process of processing documents will go on, and this will be officially approved from September 1. This is a long-standing idea of combining schools in sports into one-in figure skating, for example, they will unite everyone except CSKA, because they are subordinate to Moskomsport.

 

[Jeanie19]

Ренат Лайшев: «Хрустальный» станет частью СШОР № 2. Официально это будет утверждено с 1 сентября»

Президент центра спорта и образования «Самбо-70» Ренат Лайшев рассказал, когда ледовый дворец «Хрустальный» перейдет под другое управление. «Хрустальный» станет частью СШОР № 2.

www.sports.ru

"Crystal" will become part of SSHOR No. 2. Within the next month, the process of processing documents will go on, and this will be officially approved from September 1. This is a long-standing idea of combining schools in sports into one-in figure skating, for example, they will unite everyone except CSKA, because they are subordinate to Moskomsport.

Which other coaching teams are at SSHOR?

 

[flanker]

Which other coaching teams are at SSHOR?

First just short explanation of the abbreviation. SSHOR means "Sport school of olympic reserves". Many sport schools are named just like that, the determining part is the number, like No. 2 in this case. It should be the school where the pair coaches Dobroskokov and Roslyakov work (Pavlichenko/Khodykin, Khabibulina/Knyazhuk, Trubacheva/Smirnov and others). There is also ice dance team (Skopcova/Aleshin). There are also teams for single skating, but I think these are mostly training young children.

Спортивная школа №2 Москва

Спортивная школа №2 Тренерский состав №1 (Спортивные пары) Доброскоков Сергей Владимирович Росляков Сергей Сергеевич Максимов Андрей Степанович Спортивные пары Алексеенко Пётр Алексеевич Белкин Алексей Андреевич Бреславский Мартин Александрович Венедиктов Даниил Александрович Высоцкая Анастасия...

allskaters.info

 

[Isabel_O'Reilly]

Skaters will retire unless there's some kind of alternate League at least in Russia that could offer them something alternative to what the isu does and maybe offer them greater Financial rewards for attending or placing on the podium. Plushys says to invite skaters from around the world to skate in these competitions and that's certainly a possibility if the financial rewards are worth it. But unless it's some kind of Russian oligarchs financing such a alternative League to the international skating union I don't see how it has any chance because of all the sanctions on Russia right now they aren't exactly in a great financial position.

As for Sasha I hope she comes back but there's a lot of confusion about what's going on with her country and Sports in her country and that has to get figured out first. I don't blame her or Anna for being bitter at the Federation for choosing not to put them in the team event free skate when the gold medal was already well decided by then. Choosing not to spread the gold medal wealth around to one of those Fabulous Girls or T and M should get get people fired at the Federation.
Yes Sasha did it her way and was super spectacular but doing the 3A in the SP cost her a few points.

Yes the comments on the internet are there wishing Sasha had won Gold and Anna the silver because the Fury from Sasha would not have happened if she won the gold and Anna the silver.

I could not blame any of these young Russian skaters if they don't speak out against their leader like you pointed out Amei there may be repurcussions. But I would hope not. Although I think it would be fine if any of these Russian athletes says they are against this or they hate War.

On their website CAS has an update on their hearing of the Russian appeal against being banned internationally with figure skating. I'm not sure how they will rule on the Russian appeall but the world Olympians Association has gone against Thomas Bach the head of the ioc and they expressed their support for the Russian athletes competing.

I hope they all stay motivated. But the Russian figure skaters probably can't stay motivated if they are twisting in the wind for a year or so.

Sorry to jump in considering I do not have much to say regarding most of your post but where does this mistaken idea come from that Sasha loses points falling on the 3A vs. a clean 2A axel? Sasha's score is the exact same to within a few tenths of a points. It is one of the quirks of the scoring system that the 2A BV is so low vs. the high BV of the 3A.

Now when Sasha finally lands a 3A in competition it will dramatically improve her score. It will improve her PB by a lot.

 

[NaVi]

Skaters will retire unless there's some kind of alternate League at least in Russia that could offer them something alternative to what the isu does and maybe offer them greater Financial rewards for attending or placing on the podium. Plushys says to invite skaters from around the world to skate in these competitions and that's certainly a possibility if the financial rewards are worth it. But unless it's some kind of Russian oligarchs financing such a alternative League to the international skating union I don't see how it has any chance because of all the sanctions on Russia right now they aren't exactly in a great financial position.

The whole alternative grand prix/league or whatever is a complete idiotic and uncreative non-starter. No one that would matter would want to have anything to do with it whatsoever.

Russia just needs to get creative and put on new kinds of events that their skaters would actually find interesting to participate in. They need to really think about creating new rulesets and disciplines.