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59th ISU Congress: Watch and Discuss

If european tv did too many closeups on the logos, the broadcasting authority would punish them, we have strict regulations on showing commercial content. Skaters speaking about their sponsors would also be risky.
I am not surprised. Still it seems to make it even worse for the proposal actually, IMHO.
If the logo does not get shown, it does not serve any purpose. If it is shown too much, it can bring about financial penalties. It is easy with Kiss and Cry, but how would they regulate and handle it during the skate itself? Any close up on a skater's skates would mean a commercial break, it seems, same with any upper body pose :)
 
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Acknowledging that I roll my eyes at discussions about hair and makeup, why not seek sponsors there, too? "I'm Jane Smith, and I'll be skating to Carmen. My makeup is by Revlon." (Revlon is a makeup company, isn't it?)
When Michelle Kwan was 14 her parents did not allow her to use make-up. When she went on the COI tour that year, she credits Nancy Kerrigan and Oksana Baiul with sneaking her backstage and teaching her how to do it. :)
 
I am no expert on rhythmic gymnastics but my impression is they use music strictly as a background sound and while keeping to the "rhythm" of it, they do not even pretend to actually "dance" to it, conveying slightly more complicated moods and emotions, telling stories or impersonating characters from famous movies or great literature. This is a huge difference to me, actually translating also to costume requirements and impressions for the viewer.That's why I said certain programmes might be okay with a logo, but some others could just look ridiculous when enhanced by a logo close-up in a moment chosen randomly by a camera operator
Oh, dear, the fact that you think figure skating is more artistic and concerned with "telling stories" and not using music as a background sound is extremely concerning. In addition to overall deductions for artistry, like in figure skating, there are individual deductions for each time there's a break in the rhythm of the exercise among other things. In figure skating, the overall impression is much more important in scoring.

Some gymnasts and choreographers are better artists than others, just like in figure skating, but figure skating - on average - is not more "complex" or "deep" artistically, and also not less "background music-y".

Just some examples of RG routines through the years, all very different in style and following very different artistic requirements set in the CoP:
Salome Pazhava (GEO) - Hoop 2019
Yana Kudryavtseva (RUS) - Hoop 2016
Natalia Godunko (UKR) - Ribbon 2004
Sofia Raffaeli (ITA) - Clubs 2023
Alice Taglietti (ITA) - Ball 2021 (This one is beautiful to watch, but hurts when you know of her training situation back then)
Viktoriia Onopriienko (UKR) - Ribbon 2024
Italy - 3 Ribbons + 2 Balls 2022
Spain - 5 Hoops 2022
...And I think that's enough for now - Though I definitely have more 😂
As for RG being also infamous for blunt favouritisms and "politically" swayed scoring, I am not sure if I find it a convincing argument to actually take after them :biggrin:
What I'm saying is that having sponsorships and manufacturer's marks on their leotards has not influenced judging whatsoever - Gymnasts with many sponsors or few sponsors have won, gymnasts with different sponsors have won (or not won). So if that didn't happen in RG, why should it in figure skating?

At the end of the day, the influence of reputation, country represented and who a skater is coached by will always be way more than the influence of anything a skater can put on their body. Or should people now for example also not be allowed to pick Italian music for the Olympic season because it might sway the judges due to audience reaction?
 
Oh, dear, the fact that you think figure skating is more artistic and concerned with "telling stories" and not using music as a background sound is extremely concerning. In addition to overall deductions for artistry, like in figure skating, there are individual deductions for each time there's a break in the rhythm of the exercise among other things. In figure skating, the overall impression is much more important in scoring.
No. Viewing something as artistic or not is in the eye of the beholder. I never ever saw an RG routine as anything else as performing RG exercises to some background music while trying to keep with its tempo and rhythm. It is just a casual viewer's opinion and perception, might be hurting to a fan's soul, but it is by no means concerning unless you mean a fan's concern with an apparent gap between intentions and perceptions achieved :)
I have no doubt it is different to the eye of a fan. To me, these are completely different beasts and this is my opinion. Yours can be different and I do not find it concerning at the slightest.
 
If european tv did too many closeups on the logos, the broadcasting authority would punish them, we have strict regulations on showing commercial content. Skaters speaking about their sponsors would also be risky.
How interesting.

Setting aside my general disinterest in costumes, I think it's odd that people would care so much about commercial branding in sports. If I were a parent of a talented skater, I'd put that kid in a shirt emblazoned with the Folgers Coffee logo if they'd foot the bill for training expenses. I think it's really difficult for an average family to afford an elite athlete.

Of course, I remember when the women's tennis tour was sponsored by a cigarette company... so maybe I'm immune to this sort of thing.
 
Here are Davis and White at the Puffs Facial Tissues Kiss and Cry after their winning performance at 2013 Skate Ameruca (that is, at the 2013 Hilton Hotels Skate America).

Puffs (Proctor and Gamble) also sponsored Davis and White individually and I think that the terms of their contract required that whenever they did an interview a box of Puffs had to be sitting beside them.

 
No. Viewing something as artistic or not is in the eye of the beholder. I never ever saw an RG routine as anything else as performing RG exercises to some background music while trying to keep with its tempo and rhythm. It is just a casual viewer's opinion and perception, might be hurting to a fan's soul, but it is by no means concerning unless you mean a fan's concern with an apparent gap between intentions and perceptions achieved :)
I have no doubt it is different to the eye of a fan. To me, these are completely different beasts and this is my opinion. Yours can be different and I do not find it concerning at the slightest.
Do you think people start out as fans? There's a reason why casual viewers become fans of rhythmic gymnastics, and it is not the body or apparatus difficulties. Just like most casual viewers of figure skating don't become fans because of the jumps.
(Also, if you watch for example Viktoriia Onopriienko's ribbon routine and think "background music", your standards in figure skating must be insanely high.)

I can certainly list many, many figure skating routines that are little more than skating around from jump to jump without acknowledging the music at all, despite being a fan, and clearly, other people on this very forum see it too, considering how much it is being criticised, and they still get abhorrently high PCS. On average, figure skating is not particularly concerned with artistic expression currently.
 
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What I meant is that close ups and slow mo in FS are decided depending on the content of the program - pose, element etc. I doubt it would change and any one would take into account logos when deciding upon these things. So from this pov it would be random. I am not sure if the close up on a logo at a peak of some high drama enacted on the ice would actually serve the presentation purpose well but opinions may vary, just like on any other subject.
BTW, same as on judges' biases affecting scores, our opinions seem to differ consistently so let's just agree to differ :)
Judges don't watch the broadcasters' closeups. If they review elements after the program ends, it's the same video feed that the tech panel sees, which does not involve closeups.
And when they do rewatch, it's for purposes of verifying technical details of the elements, not for the drama.
 
Judges don't watch the broadcasters' closeups. If they review elements after the program ends, it's the same video feed that the tech panel sees, which does not involve closeups.
And when they do rewatch, it's for purposes of verifying technical details of the elements, not for the drama.
Yes, I know. I compiled two different remarks in one post - one regarding judges, one regarding TV viewers. Thought it would be obvious to anyone. Apparently it was not. Lesson learnt.
 
As a man who gives not two hoots about costumes unless they are truly clownish, I don't care if they have a small sponsor logo if it helps pay the bills.

Acknowledging that I roll my eyes at discussions about hair and makeup, why not seek sponsors there, too? "I'm Jane Smith, and I'll be skating to Carmen. My makeup is by Revlon." (Revlon is a makeup company, isn't it?)
A very very long time ago I used to write a column for BC Thin Ice magazine, with free rein as to the topic. One was on makeup for girl skaters, and I mentioned if a teenager was having skin problems or had allergies, I'd recommend trying a particular specialty Canadian brand of cosmetics I'd used (having allergies myself). Without me knowing it, my column was being reprinted in whatever the Ontario magazine was at the time, and I was baffled when I got a box of that company's products in the mail. One of their employees in Ontario who was a skater had read my recommendation and posted a photocopy of the column on the employees' bulletin board. The box of samples was a "thank you" from the company. I don't know if wearing a logo would help a skater, but my mention saved me money in my own shopping :biggrin:!
 
That someone actually cares about fandoms and the ability to brag about "records" over logic of the system tells me someone has lost their mind.
 
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