2025 World Figure Skating Championships Rhythm Dance

[Janice4th]

Patrick is extremely nice. I have seen him around fans ( I am too private and mindful of my own privacy to chat with skaters, unless they approach me, so I have never talked to him directly) and he was so gracious, patient, caring... even when fans were asking him relatively dumb questions (my opinion) ... The reality is that back then, when he was competing, many fans didn't like him, probably because he seemed untouchable for a while... and then many fans didn't like him because he was vulnerable... Some were even happy of his troubles. I stood here, on these threads, getting myself heard, sometimes even a bit too much I am sure but it never killed my admiration for Patrick both as a skater and a human being. So this is what I wish for @labgoat or anyone who is a fan of Chock and Bates.
I understand as a fan that the skaters are not responsible for the mark they sometimes get... I understand when your skaters win and others think others should have won I know it very well At the same time, I personally find it liberating at times to ventilate about how upset the judging side of this beautiful sport can be. It's reassuring at times, to know that I am not alone in disagreeing with some of the calls made. It's therapeutic even to express that ire at some judges... Clearly here, the American judge lowballed Piper and Paul and that's just not cool. Did our Canadian judge lowball Chock and Bates ? No. Should I be disallowed from expressing my concerns about that ? No. Not after the many judging scandals that sport has endured. I hope the tech panelists and judges come here from time to time... Yes, they know better... but then, there is also a problem when many people disagree with how things are judged... Some fans here, are pedestrians like me.. but passionate ones.. but other fans are filled with commensurable knowledge about the sport and I have learned a lot from them... so it's not just a whining game about our favourites... it's also a desperate cry for better judged sport... The sport we all love.

I agree that the American judge had Piper and Paul too low. They had the best performance of the night for me. I have a feeling they are going to beat Chock and Bates in the free.

 

[NanaPat]

I agree about the Brits, as much as I would like to see them podium I am not expecting it.

Ice dance is always a bit of a mystery to me, I don't really understand the scoring and how they different between the teams, the judging seems to be subjective and unlike the other disciplines there is less jeopardy, so I just try to enjoy the skating and not get to invested in placement.

Tell that to the Finns and Lithuanians, who are very good and very well established teams that each had one fall on one element. As a result, the Finns were going to miss the FD cut-off (be in 21st place), but were saved by the fall of the Lithuanians, who took over 21th place and pushed them up above the cut.

 

[TontoK]

Tell that to the Finns and Lithuanians, who are very good and very well established teams that each had one fall on one element. As a result, the Finns were going to miss the FD cut-off (be in 21st place), but were saved by the fall of the Lithuanians, who took over 21th place and pushed them up above the cut.

Not to wish misfortune on anyone, but if one of those teams had to miss the cut, I'm glad it wasn't the Finns. I really love both Finnish teams. They're unique.

 

[Diana Delafield]

I'm being disloyal and could get beaten to death with a maple leaf, but that's what I also thought while watching them. The arms and hands were just being placed correctly, not snapped. Not as crisp as the last time I saw that program.

Just watched it again on the CBC News replay, and thought Paul's other costume, the lifeguard one with the red cross on the shirt, worked better. Too late now, but it made a more obvious storyline with Piper as the swimmer.

 

[NanaPat]

Not to wish misfortune on anyone, but if one of those teams had to miss the cut, I'm glad it wasn't the Finns. I really love both Finnish teams. They're unique.

There was talk that the Finns don't actually need two places as O/P don't have citizenship and are unlikely to get it in time for the Olympics. I can't confirm that. If it's true, the Finnish fed may return one spot to be given out at the qualifying event. The Lithuanians should have no trouble at all at the qualifying event.

 

[Lyyli]

If Yuka decides to apply the Finnish citizenship as an elite athlete she will get it in time I think. She has also been studying Finnish for that. Our TV commentators discussed about it yesterday and said that what makes it problematic is that she would have to give up her Japanese citizenship then.

 

[Diana Delafield]

Now that the RD for this season is in the past, I have to say it got to where I said if I saw one more skater do that pointy-finger gesture........!

I asked a few older people (older than I am that is, so make that "ancient") if kids actually did that at school dances or at parties. I may have just asked a few more inhibited people, but they all said that while they saw it used in movies like Saturday Night Fever, none of them did it while dancing in real life.

 

[DancingCactus]

I'm happy I don't have to hear the mashed potato line for a while.
On the other hand, who knows what kind of theme they're gonna come up with for the Olympic season.

 

[chepe]

I'm happy I don't have to hear the mashed potato line for a while.
On the other hand, who knows what kind of theme they're gonna come up with for the Olympic season.

It's '90s, and do they have song selection limitations in effect next year?

 

[FSFan1999]

It's '90s, and do they have song selection limitations in effect next year?

As per technical committee meeting, posted on twitter by adivinesport:


"Main genres of 1990s music: 1) Hip-hop & street dance, 2) Rave & house dance, 3) Pop & commercial dance, 4) Grunge & alternative rock"


"Any music is allowed as long as it was originally released in the 90s. Remixed/remastered music is allowed."

"The 90s dances should be "high energy and crowd-pleasing" and not like a free dance"

 

[IceDancingQueen]

Super glad you like them, and I will agree that they really sell the programs, and Madison doesn't hit a bad position. But do you care to elaborate and justify why you think their edges are better? How so? I typically see shallow or edges and a lot less speed although they are certainly crisp with a lot of their skating. Certainly don't see a ton of ice coverage most of the time ... however, I will say that I was less frustrated with their first place position this time because I don't really think Paul and Piper grabbed the opportunity and I felt that they were kind of flat today

I agree with you and I’m really surprised about all the negativity towards C/B today.

I thought Piper and Paul skating before C/B would be better for them b/c if C/B posted a huge score, then that could shake their confidence. They had the opportunity to go out there and really attack and sadly they didn’t. Their skate was not as good as it was at 4CC and they needed to be even better than that here if they wanted to beat C/B. I thought they seemed tentative and I was nervous when they skated. They still delivered an incredible performance but I didn’t feel confidence exuding from them like I did C/B.

I definitely think C/B have been overscored in the past and at last worlds I think they were given too big of a margin for the lead in the RD, but this year I really thought they were a class above the rest and I haven’t been a fan of their RD this year, especially compared to Piper and Paul’s, but yesterday they smashed it.

They are so so well trained and being in an competitive environment like IAM probably gives them a leg up on G/P and G/F who do not train every day with competitors in the same league as them. You can tell how determined Maddy especially is to win and I think we all take for granted how sharp she is in all her movements. It makes such a difference to the performance.

I suspect G/P will skate really well tonight now that they have nothing to lose but they do need to get some good mental strength coaches ahead of the Olympics so they are walking onto that ice already feeling like winners even when the pressure is on.

I also think it says a lot that even the Canadian judge had Piper and Paul 2nd. Like if there was even a sliver of a chance their skate could have put them in first, the judge would have put them there. I do think it’s disgusting that the US judge had them in 5th though as that is clearly nonsense and should be looked at, as that is the kind of shenanigans that makes fans cry cheating when their team doesn’t place well.

I say this all as someone who REALLY REALLY wants Piper and Paul to be world champions as I love them so much. But they do frustrate me when they let their nerves get the better of them and aren’t able to seize the opportunity and lay down performances like the winners they have all the potential to be. If Piper and Paul had attacked the way C/B did yesterday they could have had the same marks.

I’m wishing them a divine and sublime performance tonight as they have had a tough year, so it’s understandable if their nerves held them back a bit in the RD.

But I also think C/B deserve recognition. I may not connect to their programmes emotionally the way I do with Piper and Paul (although I always admire their creativity and uniqueness) but their programmes always evolve and improve with each competition whereas that’s not always the case with G/P or G/F, and they are always SO classy. They bring a refinement and beauty to their skating that I really admire.

 

[chepe]

As per technical committee meeting, posted on twitter by adivinesport:


"Main genres of 1990s music: 1) Hip-hop & street dance, 2) Rave & house dance, 3) Pop & commercial dance, 4) Grunge & alternative rock"


"Any music is allowed as long as it was originally released in the 90s. Remixed/remastered music is allowed."

"The 90s dances should be "high energy and crowd-pleasing" and not like a free dance"

So what does that mean?

Any way, I was wondering if the copyright restrictions I have heard about will be in effect next year?

 

[FSFan1999]

So what does that mean?

Any way, I was wondering if the copyright restrictions I have heard about will be in effect next year?

It means whatever the judges decide it means. It's a message to competitors I guess to make it non-lyrical and more energetic. And also to structure it with more dance holds and sharper movements etc. But some couples will do whatever they want and judges won't care, as usual for past few seasons.

 

[TallyT]

As per technical committee meeting, posted on twitter by adivinesport:


"Main genres of 1990s music: 1) Hip-hop & street dance, 2) Rave & house dance, 3) Pop & commercial dance, 4) Grunge & alternative rock"


"Any music is allowed as long as it was originally released in the 90s. Remixed/remastered music is allowed."

"The 90s dances should be "high energy and crowd-pleasing" and not like a free dance"

 

[chepe]

It means whatever the judges decide it means. It's a message to competitors I guess to make it non-lyrical and more energetic. And also to structure it with more dance holds and sharper movements etc. But some couples will do whatever they want and judges won't care, as usual for past few seasons.

Well that's what I thought. Some teams will be doing pop music free dance programs anyway.
And as much I love the '90s music (nineties is the best 'ties), it's the third season in the row with pop music themes...or did they think "oh man, it's the Olympics, zillions of people will be watching, we need crowd pleasing programs".

On a plus side, we get to live through glory years of Eurodance again

 

[DancingCactus]

onfg. What rhythm do hip hop and Grunge have in common? Right, no rhythm. Time to call it "randomly themed dance".

 

[museksk8r]

As per technical committee meeting, posted on twitter by adivinesport:


"Main genres of 1990s music: 1) Hip-hop & street dance, 2) Rave & house dance, 3) Pop & commercial dance, 4) Grunge & alternative rock"


"Any music is allowed as long as it was originally released in the 90s. Remixed/remastered music is allowed."

"The 90s dances should be "high energy and crowd-pleasing" and not like a free dance"

OMG, I am totally here for this as someone who graduated HS in 1996. This should be . . . Interesting, yeah!

 

[FSFan1999]

If Piper and Paul had attacked the way C/B did yesterday they could have had the same marks.

For me they attacked more than C/B imo, just in a different way. They made much deeper edges.

Another poster earlier mentioned ankle inclination. Ankle inclination ≠ edge depth. It's one way to make more edge (as with kneebend, as with body core rotation). The curves chock/bates made on their turns were much smaller and much straighter. And for me, their ankle inclination (which the poster mentioned) also was very low. For me, this isn't attacking. Even if they attacked the performance.

But either way, I think with home worlds, nothing would have made the difference (other than a major error). We've seen the same thing for the last three years, aside from major errors, the order remains essentially the same.

 

[skatemd1]

I was enjoying Green/Parsons fun choreo so much I forget to look at which levels and GOEs they were getting.

I thought Green/Parsons skated great and should have been above C/P (by a lot - better choreo, cleaner twizzles, much better edges, energy and expression, skating skills, etc.). They always seem to be judged very strictly on all their levels, all the time, while C/P always get a pass (even when he drops his leg on twizzles and still gets level 4 and lots of high GOEs). Happens too often to be random, so tired of the obvious bias. Need to change the way ISU picks and trains judges and tech panels in this sport.

 

[Spiralgraph]

I enjoy ice dance but I've always thought that it's the easiest discipline to fudge the scores and standings. I guess that's why I'm not emotionally invested in any dance team anymore. Yeah I have my favorites but I'm not going to stress out or badmouth other competitors when I don't like the results.
That being said, I don't want any falls today in the FD and that there's a happy surprise or two in the outcome.