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5,000 people could disagree and it's still irrelevant. Moving on.
Then a single person - you, who disagree with those imaginary 5000 - are just as irrelevant, agreed?

I'm really not sure why people cannot agree to disagree. Alysa is wonderful - albeit imo the Ginger Rogers of current skating - and Rinka though not normally quite at her level skated two wonderful programs.
 
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When the pool is deep enough, there is no bad timing, because enough skaters line up for each spot. It's JGP where everyone can go and compete. GP is supposed to be at least 9 strong competitors in each stage. That's how these series are sold. I mean, imagine I would have bought a ticket for this weak sauce stage while the all-included tickets are sold. Already, we were duped and shortchanged versus normal expectations by Skate Canada as there was no gala (with Malinin! With Hase/Volodin!). If we spent money to travel and attend in the States... lol. Not good. If this continues you can't even buy tickets any longer until full composition is announced. No excuses and hand waving could mask the truth -- without AIN they don't have enough strong competitors neither in juniors nor in seniors. And i say this as I am watching junior pairs in Omsk.
Err, there has been at least one decidedly weaker competition in the GP since 2014 if not earlier, plus headscratchingly wild differences in judging between GPs. SKAM this year (and last to a lesser extent) made it worse by the lack of audience, organisation screwups and general messiness, but it seems to me to have b-all to do with certain people not being there, especially given the certain people are not exactly setting the world on fire in their own comps.

We have a slump at the minute all round. It happens in sport.
 
Some of these skirts also give the impression of heaviness. I don't know what material they are made from, but "working a heavy skirt" is an art all by itself. Better for the skater to be free to concentrate on skating.

Kate also mentions that she looses her center of gravity and balance when skirt is moving. I never heard any other lady to mention this.

I believe that fabric of skirt decides how much heavy the skirt is and how it will be moving.

Slit / no slit / width of slit is changing the scheme how is skirt moving.

Madison Chock has rather half skirt (not covering front part of the pelvis). While Laurence Fournier Feaudry in 2022/23 season's Free Dance had long skirt with high and more wide slit.

Katerina and for example Gabriella Papadakis in 2014/15 Short Dance have / had no slit.

Elena Ilinykh in 2014/15 Short Dance had front part shorter.

Comparison of long skirts and how it is moving:
Elena Ilinykh & Ruslan Zhiganshin, Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron, Sarah Hurtado & Adria Diaz.


Kate & Daniel, Tessa Virtue & Scott Moir, Natali Pechalat & Fabian Bourzat.

https://files.fm/u/r3dufuq32f
 
There's also the perception brought by scoring. Our perception of Chaeyeon Kim's skate may be lowered by this call on her shallow-edged Triple Flip, while our perception of Alysa Liu's skate may be upped by the absence of call on her wrong-edged one:
https://x.com/pplppIpp/status/1989913595463991785?ref_url=


Chaeyeon Kim is maybe fitter than we think at this stage?

Man I just had random thoughts about what "a longer than baseball" sport figure skating would be if they had individual challenges on each jump anyone did during a competition and if they needed to run the challenges by some ISU tech advisor in headquarters (not local) :laugh:
 
Man I just had random thoughts about what "a longer than baseball" sport figure skating would be if they had individual challenges on each jump anyone did during a competition and if they needed to run the challenges by some ISU tech advisor in headquarters (not local) :laugh:
After all it's the reason while no challenge is allowed in Figure Skating, but we must admit that it's backfiring because judges' blinking has become so selective, always the same skaters... and there comes the problem. Accepting an occasional judging error, if judging is fair, is somehow adding a part of alea, some may find it thrilling. In all sports one has a little bit of alea (including Figure Skating, for instance in which order the skaters start after the warmup or the resurfacing). We're not there anymore. I don't think that perfect impartiality has ever existed but we've come to an extreme.
 
Enjoy !

Not sure you need their return if you still get to see them. You get best of both worlds
No. Only when everyone competes togther there is life because there is enough depth. Both streams are exhausting their athletes by trying to keep the full circuit with insufficient staff. Internationals run two junior grand prix, Russians run serf theater. This is the worst of both worlds, particularly considering the hypocrisy and unfairness that is going on with transfers and other nations, the judging that is becoming very different withiout competing interests to keep it more balanced. AIN has now been created and the only fair course of action towards athletes is to set it up in GP to stop making the athletes the ones to bear responsibility for everything that is wrong with the world. They, as individuals, should have access to competitions. A competitive athlete must compete to be at their best.
 
No. Only when everyone competes togther there is life because there is enough depth. Both streams are exhausting their athletes by trying to keep the full circuit with insufficient staff. Internationals run two junior grand prix, Russians run serf theater. This is the worst of both worlds, particularly considering the hypocrisy and unfairness that is going on with transfers and other nations. AIN has now been created and the only fair course of action towards athletes is to set it up in GP to stop making the athletes the ones to bear responsibility for everything that is wrong with the world.
Athlètes indépendants neutres. When they get to be independent and neutral from state sponsored sports programs, we can talk.
 
Athlètes indépendants neutres. When they get to be independent and neutral from state sponsored sports programs, we can talk.
In my view, state sponsorship actually creates a more fair access to sports than parents going broke, if they can afford it in the first place. So, no, I don't think this is a problem. If AIN has more success, maybe other states would help their athletes. They can at least release Belorussia. Because, like, why?
 
I probably sound like a broken record when it comes to Tara Lipinski but she is becoming insufferable to listen to. She talks too much, repeats the same phrases over and over and talks inappropriately during a program. I used to really enjoy Johnny because he brought the technical aspect into his commentary but he's getting just as bad as Tara. Please Peacock - send them back to NBC. These two are just too full of themselves. Say what you will about Mark and Chris but they at least know when to shut up!
I agree with you 100%. I find that I have to mute my t.v. every time she begins to speak; I unmute between a skater's next move. Sometimes, she is still talking! I am becoming disillusioned with watching the sport because of her. I still like Johnny's commentary - most of the time he speaks only when necessary and gets to the point.
 
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