Russian Championships: Predictions Game Round 3

[CaroLiza_fan]

Here is the thread where you can make your predictions for the Russian Championships.

Entries/Results Page:
http://fsrussia.ru/upl/results/1314/...1314/index.htm

Timetable:
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sh...and-Qualifiers&p=798144&viewfull=1#post798144

The Senior competitions start on Tuesday 24th December 2013 at 14:00 MSK (10:00 GMT) with the Men's SP.

So, predictions need to be in 1 hour before that, i.e. 13:00 MSK (09:00 GMT)

Entries

Ladies:

StN.	Name	Nation
	Warm-Up Group 1
Alena Leonova
Evgenia Medvedeva
Daria Pervushkina
Alsou Kayumova
Seraphima Sakhanovich
Elena Radionova
	Warm-Up Group 2
Maria Artemyeva
Alexandra Proklova
Polina Agafonova
Nikol Gosviani
Anna Shershak
Julia Lipnitskaya
	Warm-Up Group 3
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
Diana Shamsutdinova
Adelina Sotnikova
Sofia Biryukova
Alina Maximova
Anna Pogorilaya

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow / Saint Petersburg [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]3[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]Samara region[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]4[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]Moscow[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]5[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Saint Petersburg [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]6[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]7[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]Saint Petersburg[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]8[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]9[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Saint Petersburg [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]10[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Saint Petersburg [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]11[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]12[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow / Sverdlovsk region [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]13[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Saint Petersburg/Republic of Udmurtia [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]14[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]Izhevsk[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]15[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]16[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]17[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]Moscow[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]18[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow [/TD]

Alt: Polina Korobeynikova - Moscow
Alt: Maria Stavitskaia - Saint Petersburg


Men:

StN.	Name	Nation
	Warm-Up Group 1
Adian Pitkeev
Moris Kvitelashvili
Konstantin Milyukov
Zhan Bush
Alexander Petrov
Seregy Borodulin
	Warm-Up Group 2
Evgeny Plushenko
Konstantin Menshov
Mikhail Kolyada
Andrei Lazukin
Murad Kurbanov
Vladislav Sezganov
	Warm-Up Group 3
Sergei Voronov
Maxim Kovtun
Alexander Samarin
Artur Gachinski
Artur Dmitriev Jr.
Gordei Gorshkov

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]3[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]Republic of Tatarstan[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]4[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]Moscow / Chelyabinsk[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]5[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Saint Petersburg [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]6[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]Moscow[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]7[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Saint Petersburg [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]8[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Saint Petersburg [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]9[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Saint Petersburg [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]10[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]Samara Region / Saint Petersburg[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]11[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]Moscow[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]12[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]Saint Petersburg[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]13[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]14[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow / Sverdlovsk region [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]15[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]Moscow[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]16[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Saint Petersbur g [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]17[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]Moscow[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]18[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Saint Petersburg [/TD]

Alt: Evgeni Vlasov - Moscow
Alt: Ilya Petrov - Moscow


Pairs:

StN.	Name	Nation
	Warm-Up Group 1
Maria Vigalova / Egor Zakroev
Ksenia Stolbova / Fedor Klimov
Christina Astakhova / Maxim Kurdyukov *
	Warm-Up Group 2
Katarina Gerboldt / Alexander Enbert
Anastasia Gubanova / Alex Sintsov
Lina Fedorova / Maxim Miroshkin
	Warm-Up Group 3
Vasilisa Davankova / Andrei Deputat
Vera Bazarova / Yuri Larionov
Evgenia Tarasova / Vladimir Morozov
Julia Antipova / Nodari Maisuradze

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Perm Krai [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Saint Petersburg / Moscow [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]3[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]Moscow[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]4[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Saint Petersburg [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]5[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]Perm[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]6[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]7[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]8[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Republic of Mordovia / Moscow [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]9[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow / Republic of Tatarstan [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]10[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow [/TD]

Alt: Yuko Kavaguti / Alexander Smirnov - St. Petersburg

WD: Anastasia Martyusheva / Alexei Rogonov - Moscow WITHDRAWN
WD: Alexandra Minina / Semei Stepanov - Perm Krai WITHDRAWN
WD: Natalia Mitina / Yuri Shevchuk - Moscow * WITHDRAWN


Dance:

StN.	Name	Nation
	Warm-Up Group 1
Ekaterina Pushkash / Jonathan Guerreiro
Ekaterina Bobrova / Dmitri Soloviev
Alexandra Stepanova / Ivan Bukin
Angelica Kanivets / Alexei Chizhov
Elena Ilinykh / Nikita Katsalapov
	Warm-Up Group 2
Ekaterina Riazanova / Ilia Tkachenko
Victoria Sinitsina / Ruslan Zhiganshin
Valeria Zenkova / Valery Sinitsin
Ksenia Monko / Kiril Khaliavin
Svetlana Komyakova / Nikita Shubo-Yablonski

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]3[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]4[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]Sverdlovsk Oblast[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]5[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]6[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow Region [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]7[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]8[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]Moscow[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]9[/TD]

[TD="align: center"] Moscow [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]10[/TD]

[TD="align: center"]Kirov region[/TD]

Alt: Daria Shcheglova / Anton Novikov - Kirov region
Alt: Alina Kurbanova / Igor Shelopaev - Rostov-on-Don


A MAJOR thank you goes out to sky_fly20 for translating the entry lists into Latin characters! (You can find the original posting here)

This is the first National Championship where ALL categories will count towards the Game score.

Let the fun begin!!!

CaroLiza_fan

 

[YesWay]

Ladies
1.) Julia Lipnitskaia
2.) Adelina Sotnikova
3.) Elena Radionova
4.) Evgenia Medvedeva
5.) Anna Pogorilaya

6.) Elizaveta Tuktamysheva

Men:
1.) Maxim Kovtun
2.) Evgeny Plushenko
3.) Sergei Voronov
4.) Konstantin Menshov
5.) Artur Gachinski

6.) Vladislav Sezganov

Pairs:
1.) Bazarova / Larionov
2.) Stolbova / Klimov
3.) Antipova / Maisuradze
4.) Gerboldt / Enbert
5.) Davankova / Deputat

6.) Tarasova / Morozov


Dance:
1.) Bobrova / Soloviev
2.) Ilinykh / Katsalapov
3.) Monko / Khaliavin
4.) Sinitsina / Zhiganshin
5.) Riazanova / Tkachenko

6.) Stepanova / Bukin

 

[LRK]

@CaroLiza_fan - I think there's a mistake... I believe the Russian Nationals begins on the 24th? Also, the Entries/Results Page links to the Italian Nationals...

 

[sky_fly20]

your link goes to the Italian championships live results page

 

[sky_fly20]

Men
1 Evgeni Plushenko
2 Maxim Kovtun
3 Sergei Voronov
4 Konstantin Menshov
5 Adian Pitkeev

6 Artur Gachinski

Ladies
1 Julia Lipnitskaya
2 Adelina Sotnikova
3 Elena Radionova
4 Serafima Sakhanovich
5 Anna Pogorilaya

6 Elizaveta Tuktamyheva

Pairs
1 Stolbova/Klimov
2 Bazarova/Larionov
3 Antipova/Maisuradze
4 Vigalova/Zakroev
5 Tarasova/Morosov

6 Fedorova/Miroshkin

Ice Dance
1 Bobrova/Soloviev
2 Ilinykh/Katsalapov
3 Riazanova/Tkachenko
4 Sinitsina/Zhiganshin
5 Monko/Khaliavin

6 Stepanova/Bukin

 

[hanca]

Men
1 Evgeni Plushenko
2 Maxim Kovtun
3 Sergei Voronov
4 Konstantin Menshov
5 Artur Gachinski

Ladies
1 Julia Lipnitskaya
2 Adelina Sotnikova
3 Elena Radionova
4 Serafima Sakhanovich
5 Evgenia Medvedeva
6 Alexandra Proklova
7 Anna Pogorilaya
8 Elizaveta Tuktamysheva


Pairs
1 Bazarova/Larionov
2 Stolbova/Klimov
3 Antipova/Maisuradze
4 Vigalova/Zakroev
5 Fedorova/Miroshkin
6 Tarasova/Morosov
7 Davankova/Deputat

Ice Dance
1 Bobrova/Soloviev
2 Ilinykh/Katsalapov
3 Sinitsina/Zhiganshin
4 Riazanova/Tkachenko
5 Stepanova/Bukin
6 Monko/Khaliavin

 

[Mrs. P]

Aw, Polina K didn't qualify for nationals?! That is such a bummer.

In any case..

Ladies:
1.) Julia Lipnitskaya
2.) Adelina Sotnikova
3.) Elena Radionova
4.) Anna Pogorilaya
5.) Serphima Sahanovich
6.) Elizaveta Tuktamysheva

Men:
1.) Evgeny Plushenko
2.) Maxim Kovtun
3.) Sergei Voronov
4.) Konstantin Menshov
5.) Adian Pitkeev
6.) Artur Gachinski

Pairs
1.) Stolbova/Klimov
2.) Bazarova/Larinov
3.) Antipova/Maisuradze
4.) Fedorva/Miroshkin
5.) Davankova/Deputat
6.) Gerboldt/Enbert


Dance:

1.) Bobrova/Soloviev
2.) Ilinykh/Katsalapov
3.) Riazanova/Tkachenko
4.) Stepanova/Bukin
5.) Monko/Khaliavin
6.) Sinitsina/Zhiganshin

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

@CaroLiza_fan - I think there's a mistake... I believe the Russian Nationals begins on the 24th? Also, the Entries/Results Page links to the Italian Nationals...

your link goes to the Italian championships live results page

Oops! Sorry about that. As you can probably tell, I copied the template over that I had used for the Italian Championships, and must have missed changing a few of the things! :

Better than that, I had also forgotten to change the title of the thread when I made it out! But, I noticed it straight after I posted the thread, and got it changed before anybody else noticed!

Hey, these are the sort of things that happen when you're doing things in a hurry on the computer when you should be getting ready for bed!

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I'll fix it now.

CaroLiza_fan

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

your link goes to the Italian championships live results page

I just went into the Russian Nationals sub-forum, and realised what happened. Nobody has posted a link for the Russian results page on Golden Skate yet, so I didn't know where to find it. And I forgot to delete the Italian link in the meantime.

So do you know what the link is?

Aw, Polina K didn't qualify for nationals?! That is such a bummer.

Here is the explanation:

Korobeynikova withdrew from her GP event, therefore did not get in automatically (those who attend GP event get spot automatically). She competed at two Russian Cup events and placed 8th and 3rd, so she did not have enough points to qualify but she is the first alternate.

hanca is being a bit diplomatic here. Korobeynikova did not withdraw from the GP's herself - it was the Federation that withdrew her entries because she did not do as well as they expected in her first Nationals qualifier (8th).

As hanca pointed out, Polina K went on to get a podium in her second qualifier. But, the decision had already been made to send Gosviani to GP's instead, and it wouldn't have been fair on Nikol for the chance to be offered, and then whipped away.

So, it's the Federation's fault for not having enough faith in Polina K in the first place.

But, I'm totally biased, as I am a fan of Polina K!

CaroLiza_fan

 

[96skiluvr]

Predicting the unpredictable....

Men:
1. Plushenko
2. Kovtun
3. Menshov
4. Voronov
5. Gachinski

Ladies:
1. Julia Lipnitskaya
2. Adelina Sotnikova
3. Elena Radionova
4. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
5. Anna Pogorilaya
6. Serafima Sakhanovich
7. Evgenia Medvedeva
8. Nikol Gosviani
9. Alexandra Proklova
10. Alena Leonova

Pairs:
1. Bazarova/Larionov
2. Stolbova/Klimov
3. Antipova/Maisuradze
4. Tarasova/Morozov
5. Vigalova/Zakroev
6. Fedorova/Miroshkin
7. Davankova/Deputat
8. Gerboldt/Enbert
*EDIT: Martiusheva/Rogonov withdrew; this prediction has been edited to reflect that

Dance:
1. Bobrova/Soloviev
2. Ilinykh/Katsalapov
3. Riazanova/Tkachenko
4. Sinitsina/Zhiganshin
5. Monko/Khaliavin
6. Stepanova/Bukin
7. Pushkash/Guerreiro

 

[ice coverage]

... Nobody has posted a link for the Russian results page on Golden Skate yet, so I didn't know where to find it. ...

So do you know what the link is?

The short answer is No. But I nosed around a bit in search of this year's results link, and here is the little I can tell you at this point:

Last year's results link was:

http://fsrussia.ru/upl/results/1213/rusnat2013/index.htm​

So one might guess that this year's results link will be:

http://fsrussia.ru/upl/results/1314/rusnat2014/index.htm​

But ... at the moment, that link takes you to a Russian federation page that is mostly blank.

If you go to the Russian fed's home page, and click on the "Results" tab, the following page comes up. It has a menu with hyperlinks for many events.

http://fsrussia.ru/lib/​

The first link is for Russian Nationals, but if you click on it, the following page comes up. It has some basic information about the event, but nothing related to results.

http://fsrussia.ru/lib/103_rostelekom---chempionat-rossii-2014/​

 

[tulosai]

hanca is being a bit diplomatic here. Korobeynikova did not withdraw from the GP's herself - it was the Federation that withdrew her entries because she did not do as well as they expected in her first Nationals qualifier (8th).

As hanca pointed out, Polina K went on to get a podium in her second qualifier. But, the decision had already been made to send Gosviani to GP's instead, and it wouldn't have been fair on Nikol for the chance to be offered, and then whipped away.

So, it's the Federation's fault for not having enough faith in Polina K in the first place.

But, I'm totally biased, as I am a fan of Polina K!

CaroLiza_fan

:thumbsup: Me too, and I hope she will get to compete! She is a beautiful skater!!

 

[tulosai]

Ladies:
1. Julia Lipnitskaya
2. Elena Radionova
3. Adelina Sotnikova
4. Anna Pogoriliya
5. Liza Tuktmysheva
6/alt. Seraphima Sahanovich

and just for fun/more alts

7. Nikol Gosviani
8. Alena Leonova
9. Polina Agafonova

Men:

1 Evgeni Plushenko
2 Maxim Kovtun
3 Konstantin Menshov
4 Artur Gachinski
5 Sergei Voronov
6/ alt. Adian Pitkeev
7/2nd alt Vladislav Sezganov

Pairs:

1. Vera Bazarova - Yuri Larionov
2. Ksenia Stolbova - Fedor Klimov
3. Antipova/Maisuradze
4. Anastasia Martyusheva - Alexei Rogonov
5 . Evgenia Tarasova - Vladimir Morozov
6/ alt. Vasilisa Davankova - Andrei Deputat
7/ 2nd alt. Lina fedorova - Maxim Miroshkin - Moscow

Dance:

1. Ekaterina Bobrova - Dmitri Soloviev
2 . Elena Ilinykh - Nikita Katsalapov
3 . Ekaterina Riazanova - Ilia Tkachenko
4. Victoria Sinitsina - Ruslan Zhiganshin
5. Ksenia Monko - Kiril Khaliavin
6/alt. Alexandra Stepanova - Ivan Bukin - Moscow
7/2nd alt. Valeria Zenkova - Valery Sinitsin - Moscow

 

[sequinsgalore]

My predictions

Men
1. Evgeni Plushenko
2. Sergei Voronov
3. Maxim Kovtun
4. Konstantin Menshov
5. Artur Gachinski
6. Adian Pitkeev

Ladies
1. Julia Lipnitskaia
2. Elena Radionova
3. Adelina Sotnikova
4. Anna Pogorilaya
5. Serafima Sakhanovich
6. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva

Pairs
1. Vera Bazarova/Yuri Larionov
2. Ksenia Stolbova/Fedor Klimov
3. Julia Antipova/Nodari Maisuradze
4. Evgenia Tarasova/Vladimir Morozov
5. Anastasia Martiusheva/Alexei Rogonov
6. Maria Vigalova/Egor Zakroev

Ice Dance
1. Ekaterina Bobrova/Dmitri Soloviev
2. Elena Ilinykh/Nikita Katsalapov
3. Ekaterina Riazanova/Ilia Tkachenko
4. Victoria Sinitsina/Ruslan Zhiganshin
5. Alexandra Stepanova/Ivan Bukin
6. Ksenia Monko/Kirill Khaliavin

 

[sky_fly20]

I dont get the love for Martiusheva/Rogonov - 4th or 5th really ?
looking at their local competitions and GP results, even Gerboldt/Enbert can place higher than them

 

[96skiluvr]

I dont get the love for Martiusheva/Rogonov - 4th or 5th really?

When they're on, they're stunning. When they make mistakes, they're still stunning

 

[sky_fly20]

When they're on, they're stunning. When they make mistakes, they're still stunning

with botched twists and inconsistent jumps will still place 4th or 5th ? sorry
they will be lucky to place in Top 8, these teams can and will surpass them

Vigalova/Zakroev
Tarasova/Morosov
Fedrova/Miroshkin
Gerboldt/Enbert

at least they will probably pass Davankova/Deputat
whose height similarity will probably be their last season
with Davankova's pending retirement ?

 

[hanca]

with botched twists and inconsistent jumps will still place 4th or 5th ? sorry
they will be lucky to place in Top 8, these teams can and will surpass them

Vigalova/Zakroev
Tarasova/Morosov
Fedrova/Miroshkin
Gerboldt/Enbert

at least they will probably pass Davankova/Deputat
whose height similarity will probably be their last season
with Davankova's pending retirement ?

I agree that Martiusheva/Rogonov are very inconsistent, but I do understand why some posters puts them so high. I love watching them too. (although I don't think they will manage to place as high as 4-5).

But the list of the pairs you believe will score higher than M/R, I really can't see why would you list there Gerboldt/Enbert! Not only M/R did manage to beat them in one competition this autumn, but G/E have not exactly been very good this season, and unlike M/R, G/E don't even deserve higher TES because apart of elements their program is quite empty and they look quite sloppy. So why would you think they will surpass M/R?

In regards to Davankova/Deputat splitting, I think you have forecasted it for a while and it hasn't happened yet. In fact, they did achieve second highest total score from Russian junior pairs in their JGP event, easily beating Tarasova/Morozov and Fedorova/Miroshkin. If you want to rely on your forecasting skills, maybe don't quit your day job!

 

[LRK]

Men:

1. Evgeni Plushenko
2. Maxim Kovtun
3. Artur Gachinski
4. Konstantin Menshov
5. Sergei Voronov
6. Adian Pitkeev

Ladies:

1. Julia Lipnitskaia
2. Adelina Sotnikova
3. Elena Radionova
4. Serafima Sakhanovich
5. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
6. Evgenia Medvedeva

Pairs:

1. Bazarova/Larionov
2. Stolbova/Klimov
3. Fedorova/Miroshkin
4. Antipova/Maisuradze
5. Tarasova/Morozov
6. Martyusheva/Rogonov

Ice Dance:

1. Bobrova/Soloviev
2. Ilinykh/Katsalapov
3. Monko/Khaliavin
4. Stepanova/Bukin
5. Riazanova/Tkachenko
6. Sinitsina/Zhiganshin

(Oh, my... I don't care if I get Every. Single. Other. Prediction wrong - if I just get one particular one right... Oh, I'm so nervous!)

 

[LRK]

In regards to Davankova/Deputat splitting, I think you have forecasted it for a while and it hasn't happened yet. In fact, they did achieve second highest total score from Russian junior pairs in their JGP event, easily beating Tarasova/Morozov and Fedorova/Miroshkin. If you want to rely on your forecasting skills, maybe don't quit your day job!

Well, to be fair, though - if you keep repeating something it's bound to come true some time or other. I mean, if they retire in - oh, I don't know - 10-15 years or so, sky_fly20 could still say: "See! Told you they wouldn't last, didn't I?"

As for Martiusheva/Rogonov... There's just something so darn likeable about them - at least that's how I feel. I kept putting them a bit optimistically high on the GP predictions - but oh, well... Never mind.