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Zooming in on Chan's scary eyes didn't help lol.
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Not related but Javier Fernandez, what a hottie, but I do not like his programs, they do not seem to be his style, what's Orser thinking.
hurrah said:I guess Brian Orser thought that it was a somewhat safer option to do two 3-axels and 3-lutzs in the second-half of the program. As it happens, the strategy worked this time.
jaylee said:Actually I do know that fact. And guess what? I agree wholeheartedly with him getting lower PCS than other men who had lower TES than him. Hanyu stayed upright in the FS at 2013 Worlds, but the performance sucked. The program stunk (just like his current one), and there was very little projection, very little connection with the audience, not enough attention paid to the music. It was like Hanyu just wanted to get his jumps done and over with. So he got high TES, and lower PCS, which is as he deserved. Hanyu left the audience, including me, cold. Hanyu's lack of projection was even more apparent in comparison to Javier Fernandez, who has inferior skating skills to Hanyu, but WAY better projection, better interpretation, better program. So that's why the judges gave Javier higher PCS than Hanyu and I don't blame them.
FlattFan said:Next year, Hanyu can fall 6 times and still beat everyone else.
That's for sure! I really disliked his SP - the music, the silly costume, the dancey-dance style. Before he went to Orser, he did not skate that way--he had a sleek look to his skating. Now, with his back turned away from the camera, I thought he looked just like a young Brian Orser...skates just like Orser with those little bouncy steps, legs bent a bit (his LP wasn't quite as bad).
That's for sure! I really disliked his SP - the music, the silly costume, the dancey-dance style. Before he went to Orser, he did not skate that way--he had a sleek look to his skating. Now, with his back turned away from the camera, I thought he looked just like a young Brian Orser...skates just like Orser with those little bouncy steps, legs bent a bit (his LP wasn't quite as bad).
I get that he was sick, but there are some skaters who, even when injured or otherwise not in peak form, still project well and make a commitment to the performance, and still move the audience in spite of errors. Daisuke Takahashi being the #1 example. If Hanyu could land his quads while being sick at 2013 Worlds, why couldn't he project just a bit more? Because he chose to focus on the technical side, not the performance. It really was a lackluster, cold performance.
What's the self-content in that post good for? Has anyone said they don't agree with his PCS being so low? Nope. And Hanyu wasn't just sick, he had two injuries that time and there was talk Orser actually wanted him to withdraw, but Hanyu refused. He cried after the SP and when the LP came, he just wanted to do anything better than that and focused on the jumps.
So congratulations, you were right, he probably he really just wanted to get it over with - you just bashed a kid because he had to fight and did so, I hope it warms your heart. He fought for it, so why are you being so aggresivley judgemental about this? If his PCS would have been too high, I'd get it, but I don't get why you ravel in how right the judges were - nobody disagreed with that. Point is, TES is worth something too and not just if he left you cold or not, and even if you think he was terrible at Worlds 2013, he couldn't have been that much more terrible than anyone else if he still had the highest TES. (And most of all, it has absolutly zero relevance for what happened at the Olympics)
Mh, well, try to put yourself into his shoes for a second. He came from a month of no training because he got sick, and subsequently injured his knee (which later needed more than one month of rest). He twisted his ankle during the free skate warmup. He went onto the ice knowing that Mura was even further down than he was, and that the three spots for the Olympic team depended on his and Daisuke's performances. In his place, what would you have chosen, interpretation or technique?
If he'd chosen the first, we'd be here right now bemoaning the lack of Daisuke in Sochi. I get that it wasn't pretty, but he did what he felt he needed to do.
Yeah, what was up with Scottie? He looked like he was holding back tears. I mean, ice is slippery, sometimes you win sometimes you lose. That's the nature of sport. Is there a fluff piece on Chan that I didn't see where he just lost a family member or something? Scottie seemed a bit over the top.
And that was a very watered down routine, not a great showing for a national champion, glad we will never see him internationally ever again!Nobody. Jeremy was the last clean skate. Sad...
You say as if you were the one who took part in the biggest competitions. All competitions need strategies, if you don't get it, you go home. If you were them, do you want to win in a competition or not, tell me honestly. This is Olympic we are talking about, you represent your country, in the end, your medals will be counted as your country's. If I were one of these skaters we are talking about, I would choose the option that help me get the highest score in the system. You talk too much about PCS, then what is wrong with high TES anyway? This is also a sport, not just an art, technically more like a sport okay? This is common sense. Let that sink in.Great skaters don't choose between interpretation or technique in the biggest competitions. They attempt both to the best of their ability.
I'd like to see Hanyu more focused not just on ticking the boxes off but on giving a great performance to a great program, and that means more than just going clean and landing that quad salchow.
Too bad we can't give medals for individual elements.
Patrick did get the gold medal in step sequences and highest combo! Yuzuru got the highest single jump points! Jason got the goal medal in spins! Daisuke wins in most nonjump elements overall! Jeremy wins grade of execution! Tatsuki wins for most jump points!
Alas the numbers are interesting and fun.
Base Value
Tatsuki: 84.02
Yuzuru: 83.47
Kevin: 81.42
Dennis: 80.60
Patrick: 78.58
Peter: 75.47
Tomas: 72.53
Michal: 71.97
Han: 71.71
Jeremy: 67.86
Javier: 67.68 (72.30 w/ invalid element)
Brian: 67.05
Daisuke: 66.35
Jason: 65.46 (71.07 w/ invalid element)
Grade of execution
Jeremy: 10.24
Javier: 10.12
Han: 8.89
Denis: 8.30
Daisuke: 6.92
Yuzuru: 6.19
Patrick: 5.82
Tatsuki: 4.20
Michal: 3.34
Jason: 2.63
Brian: 2.46
Jorik: 1.73
Tomas: 1.45
Peter: 0.50
Kevin: -1.59
Jumps:
Tatsuki: 70.40
Denis: 70.02
Yuzuru: 69.83
Patrick: 65.04
Han: 63.69
Kevin: 63.43
Peter: 59.87
Jeremy: 59.33
Michal: 59.19
Tomas: 57.53
Javier: 58.50 (63.12 w/ 3S)
Jorik: 56.73
Brian: 55.57
Daisuke: 51.99
Jason: 46.85 (52.46 w/ 3L)
Highest combo:
Patrick: 17.40 (4T-3T)
Yuzuru: 16.29 (3A-3Tx)
Han: 16.11 (4T-3T)
Denis: 14.56 (3A-3T)
Peter: 14.46 (3A-3T)
Tomas: 14.12 (3A-3Tx)
Javier: 14.09 (4S-2T)
Tatsuki: 13.46 (3A-3T)
Michal: 13.35 (3A-2T-2Tx)
Jeremy: 13.31 (3A-3T)
Kevin: 12.24 (4T<-3T-2Lo)
Daisuke: 11.71 (3Z-3T)
Brian: 11.46 (4T-2T)
Jason: 11.37 (3Z-1L-3S)
Jorik: 10.60 (3Z-3T)
Highest single jump:
Yuzuru: 12.44 (4T)
Javier: 12.44 (4T)
Kevin: 11.90 (4Tx)
Brian: 11.59 (4T)
Michal: 11.36 (4S)
Han: 11.07 (3A)
Daisuke: 10.64 (3A)
Jeremy: 10.64 (3A)
Denis: 10.30 (4T)
Tomas: 10.07 (3A)
Tatsuki: 9.78 (3A)
Patrick: 8.73 (4T)
Jason: 7.90 (3Zx)
Jorik: 7.36 (3A)
Peter: 7.35 (3A)
Nonjump elements
Daisuke: 21.28
Jason: 21.24
Patrick: 20.36
Yuzuru: 19.83
Javier: 19.30
Denis: 18.88
Jeremy: 18.77
Tatsuki: 17.82
Jorik: 17.15
Han: 16.91
Tomas: 16.45
Kevin: 16.40
Peter: 16.10
Michal: 16.12
Brian: 13.94
Step sequences (level)
Patrick 5.90 (StSq4)
Daisuke 5.90 (StSq3)
Denis 5.20 (StSq4)
Jason 4.21 (StSq3)
Yuzuru: 4.30 (StSq3)
Tatsuki: 4.30 (StSq3)
Javier: 4.30 (StSq3)
Jeremy: 4.30 (StSq3)
Michal: 4.23 (StSq3)
Tomas: 4.01 (StSq3)
Peter: 3.94 (StSq3)
Brian: 3.94 (StSq3)
Han: 3.87 (StSq3)
Kevin: 3.87 (StSq3)
Jorik: 3.73 (StSq3)
Step sequence (choreographed)
Patrick: 3.80
Daisuke: 3.70
Yuzuru: 3.60
Jason: 3.60
Javier: 3.50
Jeremy: 3.50
Tomas: 3.30
Denis: 3.20
Tatsuki: 2.80
Peter: 2.70
Kevin: 2.70
Michal: 2.70
Han: 2.60
Brian: 2.60
Jorik: 2.60
Spins
Jason: 13.13 (CCSp4, CCoSp4, FCCoSp4)
Yuzuru: 11.93 (FCCoSp4; FCSSp4, CCoSp3)
Daisuke: 11.68 (FCCoSp3; CCoSp4; CLSp3)
Javier: 11.50 (CSSp4; FCCoSp4; CCoSp4)
Jeremy: 10.97 (CSSp4; FUSp3; CCoSp4)
Jorik: 10.82 (FCSp4, CSsp3, CCoSp4)
Tatsuki: 10.72 (FSSp4; CCSp2, CCoSp4)
Patrick: 10.66 (FSSp4, CCSp4, CCoSp4)
Denis: 10.48 (CCSp4, FSSp4, CCosp4)
Han: 10.44 (FCSp4, CCoSp4, CSSp3)
Kevin: 9.83 (CCSp3, CCoSp3, FCCoSp4)
Peter: 9.46 (FSSp3. FCCoSp3, CCoSp3)
Michal: 9.19 (FSSp4, CCoSp4, CSSp1)
Tomas: 9.14 (FuSp3, CSSp3, CCoSp2)
Brian: 7.40 (FuSp3, CSSp3, CCoSp1)
You say as if you were the one who took part in the biggest competitions. All competitions need strategies, if you don't get it, you go home. If you were them, do you want to win in a competition or not, tell me honestly. This is Olympic we are talking about, you represent your country, in the end, your medals will be counted as your country's. If I were one of these skaters we are talking about, I will choose the option that help me get the highest score in the system. You talk too much about PCS, then what is wrong with high TES anyway? This is also a sport, not just an art, technically more like a sport okay? This is common sense. Let that sink in.
About Hanyu, I think you are just too biased. I don't care how terrible his perform was at the FS. All I see is he has done best in this Sochi and that is what it counted. His LP was not good, and he knows it, we see it, BUT the thing is other skaters' LP also sucked not just in their LP, but their SP as well. He set a new world record with his SP, so why doesn't he deserve the gold medal? He made mistakes, but overall he did best, he deserves it because he fight for it in LP after he felt 2 times. It requires a nerve of steel to continue your performance after such mistakes. I like Chan, but he kind of gave up after like half of his performance, he did not look like he fight for it, while Hanyu DID LOOK LIKE he was fighting. That's it. End of ranting.
And that was a very watered down routine, not a great showing for a national champion, glad we will never see him internationally ever again!
You say as if you were the one who took part in the biggest competitions.
All competitions need strategies, if you don't get it, you go home. If you were them, do you want to win in a competition or not, tell me honestly. This is Olympic we are talking about, you represent your country, in the end, your medals will be counted as your country's. If I were one of these skaters we are talking about, I would choose the option that help me get the highest score in the system. You talk too much about PCS, then what is wrong with high TES anyway? This is also a sport, not just an art, technically more like a sport okay? This is common sense. Let that sink in.
About Hanyu, I think you are just too biased. I don't care how terrible his perform was at the FS. All I see is he has done best in this Sochi and that is what it counted. His LP was not good, and he knows it, we see it, BUT the thing is other skaters' LP also sucked not just in their LP, but their SP as well. He set a new world record with his SP, so why doesn't he deserve the gold medal? He made mistakes, but overall he did best, he deserves it because he fight for it in LP after he felt 2 times. It requires a nerve of steel to continue your performance after such mistakes. I like Chan, but he kind of gave up after like half of his performance, he did not look like he fight for it, while Hanyu DID LOOK LIKE he was fighting. That's it. End of ranting.
jaylee said:My content was in response to the poster I was responding to, who pointed out that Hanyu had the highest TES at 2013 Worlds. So I elaborated why that didn't matter, considering Hanyu's overall performance. Nobody left the men's FS thinking that Hanyu was robbed of a higher place. Please follow along.
jaylee said:Please get off your pedestal and stop lecturing in that obnoxious manner. I don't know Hanyu's backstory at 2013 Worlds, but guess what? You don't know the backstory of my being there. So who are you to lecture me? I was excited to be in attendance at the men's LP at 2013 Worlds and I went in with an open mind, not having any favorites in particular among the men. Hanyu's performance was a letdown, regardless of the technical elements completed. I have a right to feel that way. That Hanyu was sick explains his performance...sort of. But guess what, Daisuke Takahashi (very injured, as we all know) and Akiko Suzuki turned in abysmal performances at Worlds, but I could still feel their effort, their emotion, and their projection throughout their flawed performances. So how do you explain that?
jaylee said:And the sport is more than just getting the highest score possible. What does that meaningless number mean for all skaters except the top 3? That number, their score and their placement, is all they get. But if they give a great performance, even if they didn't get the highest score, they can leave a huge impact on the audience.