2014 Olympics Mens Free Skate

Zooming in on Chan's scary eyes didn't help lol.

ginal said:

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Not related but Javier Fernandez, what a hottie, but I do not like his programs, they do not seem to be his style, what's Orser thinking.

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That's for sure! I really disliked his SP - the music, the silly costume, the dancey-dance style. Before he went to Orser, he did not skate that way--he had a sleek look to his skating. Now, with his back turned away from the camera, I thought he looked just like a young Brian Orser...skates just like Orser with those little bouncy steps, legs bent a bit (his LP wasn't quite as bad).

Regarding Javi's programs, I really liked "Satan Takes a Holiday." I thought it did suit him. The LP was too similar to it, though, and not as entertaining.

hurrah said:

I guess Brian Orser thought that it was a somewhat safer option to do two 3-axels and 3-lutzs in the second-half of the program. As it happens, the strategy worked this time.

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Kalina mentioned somewhere (maybe even in this thread), that Orser told Hanyu to start doing 2 4Ts in the LP after last season, and Hanyu refused on his own accord.

jaylee said:

Actually I do know that fact. And guess what? I agree wholeheartedly with him getting lower PCS than other men who had lower TES than him. Hanyu stayed upright in the FS at 2013 Worlds, but the performance sucked. The program stunk (just like his current one), and there was very little projection, very little connection with the audience, not enough attention paid to the music. It was like Hanyu just wanted to get his jumps done and over with. So he got high TES, and lower PCS, which is as he deserved. Hanyu left the audience, including me, cold. Hanyu's lack of projection was even more apparent in comparison to Javier Fernandez, who has inferior skating skills to Hanyu, but WAY better projection, better interpretation, better program. So that's why the judges gave Javier higher PCS than Hanyu and I don't blame them.

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What's the self-content in that post good for? Has anyone said they don't agree with his PCS being so low? Nope. And Hanyu wasn't just sick, he had two injuries that time and there was talk Orser actually wanted him to withdraw, but Hanyu refused. He cried after the SP and when the LP came, he just wanted to do anything better than that and focused on the jumps. So congratulations, you were right, he probably he really just wanted to get it over with - you just bashed a kid because he had to fight and did so, I hope it warms your heart. He fought for it, so why are you being so aggresivley judgemental about this? If his PCS would have been too high, I'd get it, but I don't get why you ravel in how right the judges were - nobody disagreed with that. Point is, TES is worth something too and not just if he left you cold or not, and even if you think he was terrible at Worlds 2013, he couldn't have been that much more terrible than anyone else if he still had the highest TES. (And most of all, it has absolutly zero relevance for what happened at the Olympics)

FlattFan said:

Next year, Hanyu can fall 6 times and still beat everyone else.

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Oh god I hope not It was weird anyway seeing his PCS being higher than his TES, I don't really want to see that happen again.

meem said:

That's for sure! I really disliked his SP - the music, the silly costume, the dancey-dance style. Before he went to Orser, he did not skate that way--he had a sleek look to his skating. Now, with his back turned away from the camera, I thought he looked just like a young Brian Orser...skates just like Orser with those little bouncy steps, legs bent a bit (his LP wasn't quite as bad).

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He does hold himself like Orser (and Robin Cousins) and that bothers me as I find it distracting (the cupped hands and airplane arms...)

however I love Satan Takes a Holiday - he really grew into it. If you've seen Robin Cousins' program to the same music (which is brilliant) it's a clear departure but just as good (and I didn't think I'd say that at the beginning of the year).

His LP was far too generic.

meem said:

That's for sure! I really disliked his SP - the music, the silly costume, the dancey-dance style. Before he went to Orser, he did not skate that way--he had a sleek look to his skating. Now, with his back turned away from the camera, I thought he looked just like a young Brian Orser...skates just like Orser with those little bouncy steps, legs bent a bit (his LP wasn't quite as bad).

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I thought when he was with Morozov, in that funny purple and green costume, he did skate kind of like that..

jaylee said:

I get that he was sick, but there are some skaters who, even when injured or otherwise not in peak form, still project well and make a commitment to the performance, and still move the audience in spite of errors. Daisuke Takahashi being the #1 example. If Hanyu could land his quads while being sick at 2013 Worlds, why couldn't he project just a bit more? Because he chose to focus on the technical side, not the performance. It really was a lackluster, cold performance.

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Mh, well, try to put yourself into his shoes for a second. He came from a month of no training because he got sick, and subsequently injured his knee (which later needed more than one month of rest). He twisted his ankle during the free skate warmup. He went onto the ice knowing that Mura was even further down than he was, and that the three spots for the Olympic team depended on his and Daisuke's performances. In his place, what would you have chosen, interpretation or technique?
If he'd chosen the first, we'd be here right now bemoaning the lack of Daisuke in Sochi. I get that it wasn't pretty, but he did what he felt he needed to do.

Is Scott Hamilton trying to win an Oscar. He's trembling and whispering is getting ridiculous. He's always been kind of terrible at this though and should just retire and let Johnny Weir take over.

Sandra is a little more tolerable. Scott is like the biggest drama queen who doesn't bring anything informative to the audience.

I loved Brian Boitano's commentaries, I wish he would do these.

Li'Kitsu said:

What's the self-content in that post good for? Has anyone said they don't agree with his PCS being so low? Nope. And Hanyu wasn't just sick, he had two injuries that time and there was talk Orser actually wanted him to withdraw, but Hanyu refused. He cried after the SP and when the LP came, he just wanted to do anything better than that and focused on the jumps.

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My content was in response to the poster I was responding to, who pointed out that Hanyu had the highest TES at 2013 Worlds. So I elaborated why that didn't matter, considering Hanyu's overall performance. Nobody left the men's FS thinking that Hanyu was robbed of a higher place. Please follow along.

So congratulations, you were right, he probably he really just wanted to get it over with - you just bashed a kid because he had to fight and did so, I hope it warms your heart. He fought for it, so why are you being so aggresivley judgemental about this? If his PCS would have been too high, I'd get it, but I don't get why you ravel in how right the judges were - nobody disagreed with that. Point is, TES is worth something too and not just if he left you cold or not, and even if you think he was terrible at Worlds 2013, he couldn't have been that much more terrible than anyone else if he still had the highest TES. (And most of all, it has absolutly zero relevance for what happened at the Olympics)

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Please get off your pedestal and stop lecturing in that obnoxious manner. I don't know Hanyu's backstory at 2013 Worlds, but guess what? You don't know the backstory of my being there. So who are you to lecture me? I was excited to be in attendance at the men's LP at 2013 Worlds and I went in with an open mind, not having any favorites in particular among the men. Hanyu's performance was a letdown, regardless of the technical elements completed. I have a right to feel that way. That Hanyu was sick explains his performance...sort of. But guess what, Daisuke Takahashi (very injured, as we all know) and Akiko Suzuki turned in abysmal performances at Worlds, but I could still feel their effort, their emotion, and their projection throughout their flawed performances. So how do you explain that?

Hanyu is just weaker at projecting and connecting with the audience than Takahashi and Suzuki, and I would say Chan and Fernandez as well. With the right package (his SP) and when he's 100% on, he can thrill the audience, but his weaknesses become really apparent with the wrong package (his FS) and when he is not "on" and has errors as he had at the Olympics. I don't think Hanyu recovers as well from his errors as someone like Jason Brown.

I think he was way overmarked in PCS for what he did at the Olympics, his performance was similar to what he did at 2013 TEB.

Kalina said:

Mh, well, try to put yourself into his shoes for a second. He came from a month of no training because he got sick, and subsequently injured his knee (which later needed more than one month of rest). He twisted his ankle during the free skate warmup. He went onto the ice knowing that Mura was even further down than he was, and that the three spots for the Olympic team depended on his and Daisuke's performances. In his place, what would you have chosen, interpretation or technique?
If he'd chosen the first, we'd be here right now bemoaning the lack of Daisuke in Sochi. I get that it wasn't pretty, but he did what he felt he needed to do.

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Great skaters don't choose between interpretation or technique in the biggest competitions. They attempt both to the best of their ability.

I'd like to see Hanyu more focused not just on ticking the boxes off but on giving a great performance to a great program, and that means more than just going clean and landing that quad salchow.

LiamForeman said:

Yeah, what was up with Scottie? He looked like he was holding back tears. I mean, ice is slippery, sometimes you win sometimes you lose. That's the nature of sport. Is there a fluff piece on Chan that I didn't see where he just lost a family member or something? Scottie seemed a bit over the top.

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I agree. Scott was being a bit of a drama queen. And what is with the sound effects he adds in his commentary? The words he has to say are usually very interesting and helpful, but the shrieks he makes as the skaters are jumping are so grating to my ears.

By the way, I agree that sometimes Abbott can say the wrong things or seem a bit self-involved, but I am 100% behind his comments dismissing those who call him a choker. I can't even imagine how nervous one must feel to be skating at a World or Olympic Championships, but what an honor to even get there, and these athletes - all of them - deserve respect, regardless of the performance they put down.

Mrs. P's Protocal Breakdown

Too bad we can't give medals for individual elements.

Patrick did get the gold medal in step sequences and highest combo! Yuzuru got the highest single jump points! Jason got the goal medal in spins! Daisuke wins in most nonjump elements overall! Jeremy wins grade of execution! Tatsuki wins for most jump points!

Alas the numbers are interesting and fun.

Base Value

Tatsuki: 84.02
Yuzuru: 83.47
Kevin: 81.42
Dennis: 80.60
Patrick: 78.58
Peter: 75.47
Tomas: 72.53
Michal: 71.97
Han: 71.71
Jeremy: 67.86
Javier: 67.68 (72.30 w/ invalid element)
Brian: 67.05
Daisuke: 66.35
Jason: 65.46 (71.07 w/ invalid element)

Grade of execution

Jeremy: 10.24
Javier: 10.12
Han: 8.89
Denis: 8.30
Daisuke: 6.92
Yuzuru: 6.19
Patrick: 5.82
Tatsuki: 4.20
Michal: 3.34
Jason: 2.63
Brian: 2.46
Jorik: 1.73
Tomas: 1.45
Peter: 0.50
Kevin: -1.59

Jumps:
Tatsuki: 70.40
Denis: 70.02
Yuzuru: 69.83
Patrick: 65.04
Han: 63.69
Kevin: 63.43
Peter: 59.87
Jeremy: 59.33
Michal: 59.19
Tomas: 57.53
Javier: 58.50 (63.12 w/ 3S)
Jorik: 56.73
Brian: 55.57
Daisuke: 51.99
Jason: 46.85 (52.46 w/ 3L)


Highest combo:
Patrick: 17.40 (4T-3T)
Yuzuru: 16.29 (3A-3Tx)
Han: 16.11 (4T-3T)
Denis: 14.56 (3A-3T)
Peter: 14.46 (3A-3T)
Tomas: 14.12 (3A-3Tx)
Javier: 14.09 (4S-2T)
Tatsuki: 13.46 (3A-3T)
Michal: 13.35 (3A-2T-2Tx)
Jeremy: 13.31 (3A-3T)
Kevin: 12.24 (4T<-3T-2Lo)
Daisuke: 11.71 (3Z-3T)
Brian: 11.46 (4T-2T)
Jason: 11.37 (3Z-1L-3S)
Jorik: 10.60 (3Z-3T)

Highest single jump:
Yuzuru: 12.44 (4T)
Javier: 12.44 (4T)
Kevin: 11.90 (4Tx)
Brian: 11.59 (4T)
Michal: 11.36 (4S)
Han: 11.07 (3A)
Daisuke: 10.64 (3A)
Jeremy: 10.64 (3A)
Denis: 10.30 (4T)
Tomas: 10.07 (3A)
Tatsuki: 9.78 (3A)
Patrick: 8.73 (4T)
Jason: 7.90 (3Zx)
Jorik: 7.36 (3A)
Peter: 7.35 (3A)

Nonjump elements
Daisuke: 21.28
Jason: 21.24
Patrick: 20.36
Yuzuru: 19.83
Javier: 19.30
Denis: 18.88
Jeremy: 18.77
Tatsuki: 17.82
Jorik: 17.15
Han: 16.91
Tomas: 16.45
Kevin: 16.40
Peter: 16.10
Michal: 16.12
Brian: 13.94

Step sequences (level)
Patrick 5.90 (StSq4)
Daisuke 5.90 (StSq3)
Denis 5.20 (StSq4)
Jason 4.21 (StSq3)
Yuzuru: 4.30 (StSq3)
Tatsuki: 4.30 (StSq3)
Javier: 4.30 (StSq3)
Jeremy: 4.30 (StSq3)
Michal: 4.23 (StSq3)
Tomas: 4.01 (StSq3)
Peter: 3.94 (StSq3)
Brian: 3.94 (StSq3)
Han: 3.87 (StSq3)
Kevin: 3.87 (StSq3)
Jorik: 3.73 (StSq3)

Step sequence (choreographed)
Patrick: 3.80
Daisuke: 3.70
Yuzuru: 3.60
Jason: 3.60
Javier: 3.50
Jeremy: 3.50
Tomas: 3.30
Denis: 3.20
Tatsuki: 2.80
Peter: 2.70
Kevin: 2.70
Michal: 2.70
Han: 2.60
Brian: 2.60
Jorik: 2.60
Spins
Jason: 13.13 (CCSp4, CCoSp4, FCCoSp4)
Yuzuru: 11.93 (FCCoSp4; FCSSp4, CCoSp3)
Daisuke: 11.68 (FCCoSp3; CCoSp4; CLSp3)
Javier: 11.50 (CSSp4; FCCoSp4; CCoSp4)
Jeremy: 10.97 (CSSp4; FUSp3; CCoSp4)
Jorik: 10.82 (FCSp4, CSsp3, CCoSp4)
Tatsuki: 10.72 (FSSp4; CCSp2, CCoSp4)
Patrick: 10.66 (FSSp4, CCSp4, CCoSp4)
Denis: 10.48 (CCSp4, FSSp4, CCosp4)
Han: 10.44 (FCSp4, CCoSp4, CSSp3)
Kevin: 9.83 (CCSp3, CCoSp3, FCCoSp4)
Peter: 9.46 (FSSp3. FCCoSp3, CCoSp3)
Michal: 9.19 (FSSp4, CCoSp4, CSSp1)
Tomas: 9.14 (FuSp3, CSSp3, CCoSp2)
Brian: 7.40 (FuSp3, CSSp3, CCoSp1)

Plisskin said:

Nobody. Jeremy was the last clean skate. Sad...

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And that was a very watered down routine, not a great showing for a national champion, glad we will never see him internationally ever again!

jaylee said:

Great skaters don't choose between interpretation or technique in the biggest competitions. They attempt both to the best of their ability.
I'd like to see Hanyu more focused not just on ticking the boxes off but on giving a great performance to a great program, and that means more than just going clean and landing that quad salchow.

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You say as if you were the one who took part in the biggest competitions. All competitions need strategies, if you don't get it, you go home. If you were them, do you want to win in a competition or not, tell me honestly. This is Olympic we are talking about, you represent your country, in the end, your medals will be counted as your country's. If I were one of these skaters we are talking about, I would choose the option that help me get the highest score in the system. You talk too much about PCS, then what is wrong with high TES anyway? This is also a sport, not just an art, technically more like a sport okay? This is common sense. Let that sink in.

About Hanyu, I think you are just too biased. I don't care how terrible his perform was at the FS. All I see is he has done best in this Sochi and that is what it counted. His LP was not good, and he knows it, we see it, BUT the thing is other skaters' LP also sucked not just in their LP, but their SP as well. He set a new world record with his SP, so why doesn't he deserve the gold medal? He made mistakes, but overall he did best, he deserves it because he fight for it in LP after he felt 2 times. It requires a nerve of steel to continue your performance after such mistakes. I like Chan, but he kind of gave up after like half of his performance, he did not look like he fight for it, while Hanyu DID LOOK LIKE he was fighting. That's it. End of ranting.

Mrs. P said:

Too bad we can't give medals for individual elements.

Patrick did get the gold medal in step sequences and highest combo! Yuzuru got the highest single jump points! Jason got the goal medal in spins! Daisuke wins in most nonjump elements overall! Jeremy wins grade of execution! Tatsuki wins for most jump points!

Alas the numbers are interesting and fun.

Base Value

Tatsuki: 84.02
Yuzuru: 83.47
Kevin: 81.42
Dennis: 80.60
Patrick: 78.58
Peter: 75.47
Tomas: 72.53
Michal: 71.97
Han: 71.71
Jeremy: 67.86
Javier: 67.68 (72.30 w/ invalid element)
Brian: 67.05
Daisuke: 66.35
Jason: 65.46 (71.07 w/ invalid element)

Grade of execution

Jeremy: 10.24
Javier: 10.12
Han: 8.89
Denis: 8.30
Daisuke: 6.92
Yuzuru: 6.19
Patrick: 5.82
Tatsuki: 4.20
Michal: 3.34
Jason: 2.63
Brian: 2.46
Jorik: 1.73
Tomas: 1.45
Peter: 0.50
Kevin: -1.59

Jumps:
Tatsuki: 70.40
Denis: 70.02
Yuzuru: 69.83
Patrick: 65.04
Han: 63.69
Kevin: 63.43
Peter: 59.87
Jeremy: 59.33
Michal: 59.19
Tomas: 57.53
Javier: 58.50 (63.12 w/ 3S)
Jorik: 56.73
Brian: 55.57
Daisuke: 51.99
Jason: 46.85 (52.46 w/ 3L)


Highest combo:
Patrick: 17.40 (4T-3T)
Yuzuru: 16.29 (3A-3Tx)
Han: 16.11 (4T-3T)
Denis: 14.56 (3A-3T)
Peter: 14.46 (3A-3T)
Tomas: 14.12 (3A-3Tx)
Javier: 14.09 (4S-2T)
Tatsuki: 13.46 (3A-3T)
Michal: 13.35 (3A-2T-2Tx)
Jeremy: 13.31 (3A-3T)
Kevin: 12.24 (4T<-3T-2Lo)
Daisuke: 11.71 (3Z-3T)
Brian: 11.46 (4T-2T)
Jason: 11.37 (3Z-1L-3S)
Jorik: 10.60 (3Z-3T)

Highest single jump:
Yuzuru: 12.44 (4T)
Javier: 12.44 (4T)
Kevin: 11.90 (4Tx)
Brian: 11.59 (4T)
Michal: 11.36 (4S)
Han: 11.07 (3A)
Daisuke: 10.64 (3A)
Jeremy: 10.64 (3A)
Denis: 10.30 (4T)
Tomas: 10.07 (3A)
Tatsuki: 9.78 (3A)
Patrick: 8.73 (4T)
Jason: 7.90 (3Zx)
Jorik: 7.36 (3A)
Peter: 7.35 (3A)

Nonjump elements
Daisuke: 21.28
Jason: 21.24
Patrick: 20.36
Yuzuru: 19.83
Javier: 19.30
Denis: 18.88
Jeremy: 18.77
Tatsuki: 17.82
Jorik: 17.15
Han: 16.91
Tomas: 16.45
Kevin: 16.40
Peter: 16.10
Michal: 16.12
Brian: 13.94

Step sequences (level)
Patrick 5.90 (StSq4)
Daisuke 5.90 (StSq3)
Denis 5.20 (StSq4)
Jason 4.21 (StSq3)
Yuzuru: 4.30 (StSq3)
Tatsuki: 4.30 (StSq3)
Javier: 4.30 (StSq3)
Jeremy: 4.30 (StSq3)
Michal: 4.23 (StSq3)
Tomas: 4.01 (StSq3)
Peter: 3.94 (StSq3)
Brian: 3.94 (StSq3)
Han: 3.87 (StSq3)
Kevin: 3.87 (StSq3)
Jorik: 3.73 (StSq3)

Step sequence (choreographed)
Patrick: 3.80
Daisuke: 3.70
Yuzuru: 3.60
Jason: 3.60
Javier: 3.50
Jeremy: 3.50
Tomas: 3.30
Denis: 3.20
Tatsuki: 2.80
Peter: 2.70
Kevin: 2.70
Michal: 2.70
Han: 2.60
Brian: 2.60
Jorik: 2.60
Spins
Jason: 13.13 (CCSp4, CCoSp4, FCCoSp4)
Yuzuru: 11.93 (FCCoSp4; FCSSp4, CCoSp3)
Daisuke: 11.68 (FCCoSp3; CCoSp4; CLSp3)
Javier: 11.50 (CSSp4; FCCoSp4; CCoSp4)
Jeremy: 10.97 (CSSp4; FUSp3; CCoSp4)
Jorik: 10.82 (FCSp4, CSsp3, CCoSp4)
Tatsuki: 10.72 (FSSp4; CCSp2, CCoSp4)
Patrick: 10.66 (FSSp4, CCSp4, CCoSp4)
Denis: 10.48 (CCSp4, FSSp4, CCosp4)
Han: 10.44 (FCSp4, CCoSp4, CSSp3)
Kevin: 9.83 (CCSp3, CCoSp3, FCCoSp4)
Peter: 9.46 (FSSp3. FCCoSp3, CCoSp3)
Michal: 9.19 (FSSp4, CCoSp4, CSSp1)
Tomas: 9.14 (FuSp3, CSSp3, CCoSp2)
Brian: 7.40 (FuSp3, CSSp3, CCoSp1)

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Numbers rule! You're my hero, Mrs. P.

Meoima said:

You say as if you were the one who took part in the biggest competitions. All competitions need strategies, if you don't get it, you go home. If you were them, do you want to win in a competition or not, tell me honestly. This is Olympic we are talking about, you represent your country, in the end, your medals will be counted as your country's. If I were one of these skaters we are talking about, I will choose the option that help me get the highest score in the system. You talk too much about PCS, then what is wrong with high TES anyway? This is also a sport, not just an art, technically more like a sport okay? This is common sense. Let that sink in.

About Hanyu, I think you are just too biased. I don't care how terrible his perform was at the FS. All I see is he has done best in this Sochi and that is what it counted. His LP was not good, and he knows it, we see it, BUT the thing is other skaters' LP also sucked not just in their LP, but their SP as well. He set a new world record with his SP, so why doesn't he deserve the gold medal? He made mistakes, but overall he did best, he deserves it because he fight for it in LP after he felt 2 times. It requires a nerve of steel to continue your performance after such mistakes. I like Chan, but he kind of gave up after like half of his performance, he did not look like he fight for it, while Hanyu DID LOOK LIKE he was fighting. That's it. End of ranting.

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mcpatty1 said:

And that was a very watered down routine, not a great showing for a national champion, glad we will never see him internationally ever again!

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Sure it was watered out, but is not like he was doing only double jumps. He took out the quad and the 3loop because of his injury. Jeremy did land 7 triples (2 of which were 3axels) and 2 axels. Still very much one of the top skates of the night and if he skated later, he would have definitely gotten around 170 or so. Not the biggest Jeremy fan, but he deserves props for this skate.

Sure, this Olympic LP was bad, but I think the podium is correct. Yuzuru deserves his gold medal, not only for his amazing SP but also for his fighting spirit. Both Yuzuru and Chan may have been overvalued for components, but even without that, they were the two best skaters of this competition (SP + LP).

The only regret I have now is that I will really miss Daisuke and Brian ! And I hope Yuzuru will improve in his components (I'm sure he can do it) for becoming one of the best skater ever.

(English isn't my native language, so I'm sorry for my mistakes)

Meoima said:

You say as if you were the one who took part in the biggest competitions.

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Lame. I say that as a skating fan, someone who enjoys the sport, watches figure skating videos, goes to skating competitions and skating shows. It's just an opinion that differs from yours. Deal with it.

All competitions need strategies, if you don't get it, you go home. If you were them, do you want to win in a competition or not, tell me honestly. This is Olympic we are talking about, you represent your country, in the end, your medals will be counted as your country's. If I were one of these skaters we are talking about, I would choose the option that help me get the highest score in the system. You talk too much about PCS, then what is wrong with high TES anyway? This is also a sport, not just an art, technically more like a sport okay? This is common sense. Let that sink in.

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Someone is way too defensive. If you only care if your skater wins, fine. I care about everything, not just the jumps, but the performance and the program, and that wasn't there for me.

And the sport is more than just getting the highest score possible. What does that meaningless number mean for all skaters except the top 3? That number, their score and their placement, is all they get. But if they give a great performance, even if they didn't get the highest score, they can leave a huge impact on the audience. See Jeremy Abbott.

Someone who knows this very well is Misha Ge. A very entertaining skater who really enjoys being on the ice. Won't ever get the highest TES, but the audience loves him because he loves being there. And the judges do reward him in PCS for this.

About Hanyu, I think you are just too biased. I don't care how terrible his perform was at the FS. All I see is he has done best in this Sochi and that is what it counted. His LP was not good, and he knows it, we see it, BUT the thing is other skaters' LP also sucked not just in their LP, but their SP as well. He set a new world record with his SP, so why doesn't he deserve the gold medal? He made mistakes, but overall he did best, he deserves it because he fight for it in LP after he felt 2 times. It requires a nerve of steel to continue your performance after such mistakes. I like Chan, but he kind of gave up after like half of his performance, he did not look like he fight for it, while Hanyu DID LOOK LIKE he was fighting. That's it. End of ranting.

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Rather, I think you're too biased for Hanyu.

I didn't see this "nerve of steel" in Hanyu, nor do I think he was really fighting any more or less than Chan.

Yuzuru Hanyu won an Olympic gold medal with a 2-fall FS that was less than inspiring or exciting. I'm disappointed in him, and quite frankly, I'm disappointed in the entire competition.

jaylee said:

My content was in response to the poster I was responding to, who pointed out that Hanyu had the highest TES at 2013 Worlds. So I elaborated why that didn't matter, considering Hanyu's overall performance. Nobody left the men's FS thinking that Hanyu was robbed of a higher place. Please follow along.

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But nobody said he should have ranked higher? FlattFan didn't imply that at all, so there's no need for you tear him down just to prove your point (=his PCS being rightfully low). Again, as it is a point nobody disagrees with, I'm not either, I didn't even say his performance was good. I'm just saying how you tried to prove that point about his PCS was unnecessarily aggressive and sounds like bashing - please follow along.
Unless you think the performance was so bad, there needs to be a special rule for him that cuts down his TES according to the PCS too

jaylee said:

Please get off your pedestal and stop lecturing in that obnoxious manner. I don't know Hanyu's backstory at 2013 Worlds, but guess what? You don't know the backstory of my being there. So who are you to lecture me? I was excited to be in attendance at the men's LP at 2013 Worlds and I went in with an open mind, not having any favorites in particular among the men. Hanyu's performance was a letdown, regardless of the technical elements completed. I have a right to feel that way. That Hanyu was sick explains his performance...sort of. But guess what, Daisuke Takahashi (very injured, as we all know) and Akiko Suzuki turned in abysmal performances at Worlds, but I could still feel their effort, their emotion, and their projection throughout their flawed performances. So how do you explain that?

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And that you were there changes what, please? Should we have told him before that because you're there he has no right to be injured? Just because you are there he owns you to skate the way you want him to? Who's the one on the high horse? You have every right to think his performance was disappointing and you can say you didn't like it how often you want to - but you made it out to be much worse then it was, as if it was some attitude problem or something because he simply decided not to care about the audience. That's something very different - and no, you don't have the right to make that judgement about him (and that arrogance is what I'm getting so worked up over). I get it, you paid money to be there, it's disappointing if the skaters don't deliver (I was at TEB and I felt very disappointed with Han Yan - but I'll always admire how he fought through even when he was visibly sick). So your 'backstory' doesn't change anything for me, sorry, it somehow can't compete with the 'backstory' of someone who dedicates his life to this being sick and injured while dealing with the pressure of being a medal favorite for a big event for the first time in his life and maybe losing Japans 3rd Olympic spot. Probably my proportions here are just a little screwed.

And comparing him to Daisuke and Akiko on this... Why on earth would there be anything anyone has to explain about that? You know, in my opinion, nobody, never, under any circumstances touches Daisuke Takahashi in the way he performces, portrays and projects to the audience (and Akiko is the female counterpart to that). Not Hanyu either. So yeah, that probably makes them all terrible. How could they dare.
(There even are things that make sense to me as an 'explanation'; like Dai and Akko each nearly having a decade of experience more than Hanyu, so maybe they learned to deal with those situations better while Hanyu didn't until now? I don't think Daisuke was as great a performer as he is now if you look 10 years back. Both of them gave bad performances, but in Akikos case, why? Was Akko injured? Why is it fine she skated 'bad' when there was 'no reason' for it, but an injured and sick Hanyu needs to have an explanation for not projecting well enough? Blah.)

I personally think Hanyus PCS in the LP were too high here, Chan should have won the LP (though Hanyu still overall because of the SP). How does that have to do with anything from 2013 worlds?

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jaylee said:

And the sport is more than just getting the highest score possible. What does that meaningless number mean for all skaters except the top 3? That number, their score and their placement, is all they get. But if they give a great performance, even if they didn't get the highest score, they can leave a huge impact on the audience.

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Erm, how about what Kalina already said: that 'just a number' defines how many spots the country has for the upcoming Olympics?
So please get off your pedestal and stop lecturing in that obnoxious manner *cough*