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Satako's program has improved...although now in the section where she was doing fluttery arm movements at the end when the music gets rapid, she's now doing almost nothing. Why is this so hard to get right?? LOL.

Osmond's program is not good and with those 2 big mistakes she shouldn't have been ahead of Satako. Funny how she and Satako are both skating to this music in one of their programs this year and both fail (the music for Osmond's program after the jumps are done is particularly disjointed). The movements don't reflect the wistful delicacy and build of the music. They just have random movements thrown in everywhere. Like, why does Osmond kick her leg up after the Lutz? It makes no sense at all. This is where the scoring system and judging have really killed the artistry in skating.

RIKA HONGO's SCORE WAS ABSURDLY, MALICIOUSLY LOW. What the hell, seriously?!?! Those tech calls are SO wrong:

1.) << call on the opening 3T which was definitely NOT landed forwards and huge -GOE for a small mistake on the landing.

2.) << call and tons of -GOE on a 3Lo that was cleanly landed, and not forwards.

3.) a full 'e' call for a 3Lz that was taken off from on a flat at worst (she's clearly on an outside edge at the start) AND a < call when it was definitely within 1/4 of a turn.

4.) < for the second 3T that seems to have been deducted for the very tip of her toepick starting to touch the ice before the 1/4 mark, but that shouldn't be considered the landing point.

5.) negative GOE across the board on her clean 2A+2T+2Lo combo with a big opening 2A, just because the last double was underrotated???

6.) < call on her second 3F that was right on the border, and considering she doesn't pre-rotate this jump as much as others, that is a bad call.

EMBARRASSING judging. And yet almost nobody will care since it is Rika Hongo.
 
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I am New Yorker and find nothing offensive about it. Not sure what cheap means. She can work with any choreographer she wants.

I'm a New Yorker (or was one) and I find it wildly inappropriate. We can go around in circles with this all day.

Cheap meaning the same angsty sentiments thoroughly overused in certain skating programs. Again, Averbukh's specialty. Zhenia can work with whomever she wants but that doesn't mean she should.

She's still young, so I'll just ignore this season and hope to see her try different things next year.
 
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Evgenia seems like a lovely person. I like that she enjoys Asian stuff like anime and kpop.

(my criticisms are with the judges. not her.)

She's adorable. We could write a novel of all the good things figure skating judges have made unpleasant :rolleye:
 
I feel this 9/11 programme is offensive =/= I don't like Evgenia

How is this so hard to accept for some people?

I just think that some of these "offended" New Yorkers needs to get off that high horse they are sitting on. The schamltz she is skating to wasn't even written and invented in Russia but in New York by a New Yorker.
 
No full standing O's today, but the top 3 all got partial SO's. I'd say Evgenia received the biggest SO for ladies.
 
Sorry to hear you feel that way. I appreciate that a Russian skater cares and considerate enough to commemorate one of the most tragic events in the country which is almost at war right now. I am happy and feel just sorry for you.

No, examples of commemoration include Katarina Witt's 1994 Olympic FS, or Jeremy Abbott's exhibition to Dear Lord for his father, or this program (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X9wP8-D63o) by Ekaterina Gordeeva.

What Evgenia performed today was not a commemoration. It was selection of music from a film about a tragic event containing choreography that is recycled from her past two seasons. The amount of intellectual and emotional effort she put into the "commemoration" of the events of 9/11 are approximately equal to the amount of effort I put into deciding my breakfast this morning.

If this had been a true commemoration, she/her choreographer/her team (I will hesitate from placing the blame on the shoulders of a 16 year old) would have
1. realized this program's use of audio is incredibly traumatic and base
2. known that it is important to do the research and ask folks affected by the tragedy about whether the program was insensitive
3. bothered to at least change the choreography and make it somewhat relevant to the theme of the skate and its corresponding emotional gravity

What we saw this afternoon was instead a fairly blatant attempt at sticking to a formulaic style to score avant garde risk-taking points with judges without actually taking a risk.
 
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She's adorable. We could write a novel of all the good things figure skating judges have made unpleasant :rolleye:

IKR! fs judges ruins stuff.
She's so cute as Usagi. She should watch Attack on Titan and make an ex program based on it. :D
 
Just that you know, ...even with 10 points less as you say, Kaetlyn still wins, AC96.

Kaetlyn - 206.45 SC
Ashley - 196.44 SA

;)

Except the judges would have easily manipulated Ashley's score even more to fit the situation ;) They score and manipulate according to the competition as a whole. They would have made sure Ashley was the winner
 
I just think that some of these "offended" New Yorkers needs to get off that high horse they are sitting on. The schamltz she is skating to wasn't even written and invented in Russia but in New York by a New Yorker.

The point is that she's skating to it. You can write and depict tragic events in nuanced mediums like films or novels, and even then things can get problematic. Competitive figure skating is absolutely not a nuanced medium. A program is used in its entirety solely to win a competition. No matter her intentions to 'commemorate', the program is still exploitative and ill-judged. She's literally using sounds from 9/11 for effect in her FS.
 
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Except the judges would have easily manipulated Ashley's score even more to fit the situation ;) They score and manipulate according to the competition as a whole. They would have made sure Ashley was the winner

her PCS and TES would have been adjusted to make sure Ashley won....
 
Yes, we understand. You do not like her. Who was better today?

Listen, I LOVE her. And I also find the program greatly disappointing (I live in NJ/ worked in NYC on 9/11). It's partly a matter of taste and partly that the schmaltzy voice-over is just too....TOO. It's reductive, I find it seeks the lowest common denominator; but mostly- she doesn't NEED it. The music is pretty. She's amazing, and elegant- and I think she can do the program justice, do the sentiment justice. The extraneous stuff brings down the quality of the program for me.
 
Whatever, it's dreck. It would be offensive if an American skated it, it just offensive period. Artistically AND from an American perspective. Russia has enough tragedy in it's past (and present) to not need a program about 9/11. Seriously, can she ONLY do tragedy? Shindler's List, 9/11... Come on, if you're gonna do this kind of crap, do some REALLY bold crap and do something about the Pogroms, or about how LGBT people are at serious risk in Russia today. I can see it. This years program, just skated to t.A.T.u. What about doing some Syrian music, a program based on the Syrian civil war. That's both current AND edgy.

Also, tanomania, like bielmania, needs to die. The rule changes can't come soon enough. Unfortunately, it's probably going to be post-Pyeongchang, after Med and her 17 tanos rides off into the sunset with the Gold.

Having said all that. She deserved to win. Under the current rules, she can tano till the end of time, and she landed everything.

However, don't expect me OR a large part of the skating to community to not call that program dumb, because it is. It's dumb.

She has never skated a schinder's list program, and her LP last year was about the happiness, so this is her first "sad" program.

If you don't like her that much, just don't watch it.
 
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Whatever, it's dreck. It would be offensive if an American skated it, it's just offensive period. Artistically AND from an American perspective. Russia has enough tragedy in it's past (and present) to not need a program about 9/11. Seriously, can she ONLY do tragedy? Shindler's List, 9/11... Come on, if you're gonna do this kind of crap, do some REALLY bold crap and do something about the Pogroms, or about how LGBT people are at serious risk in Russia today. I can see it. This years program, just skated to t.A.T.u. What about doing some Syrian music, a program based on the Syrian civil war. That's both current AND edgy, and closer to home for her, than ANYTHING having to do with something that happened when she was almost 2.

Also, tanomania, like bielmania, needs to die. The rule changes can't come soon enough. Unfortunately, it's probably going to be post-Pyeongchang, after Med and her 17 tanos rides off into the sunset with the Gold.

Having said all that. She deserved to win. Under the current rules, she can tano till the end of time, and she landed everything.

However, don't expect me OR a large part of the skating to community to not call that program dumb, because it is. It's dumb.

I think your writing is dumb.
And when did she do Schindler's List? check your facts before speaking.

That's all.
 
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