2015 Four Continents Men's Short Program Feb 12 Seoul Time

[ice coverage]

Is anyone else unable to access the event results page / judges protocols? I have made multiple attempts with different browsers using different links and can't get it to load.

ISU results page still not working for me.
Copying and pasting here the score page that is still on my screen from the wee hours.
I know that the deformatting looks horrendous, but wanted to preserve the components until the results page is functioning again.
(Sorry, I don't know how to copy a table with formatting intact into GS. Will ask for help in the Feedback forum.)

Pl. Qual. Name Nation TSS
= TES
+ PCS
+ SS TR PE CH IN Ded.
- StN.
1 Q Denis TEN KAZ 97.61 52.86 44.75 8.82 8.54 9.14 9.04 9.21 0.00 #26
2 Q Shoma UNO JPN 88.90 49.72 39.18 8.11 7.46 7.89 7.86 7.86 0.00 #22
3 Q Han YAN CHN 87.34 47.44 39.90 8.21 7.68 8.04 8.04 7.93 0.00 #24
4 Q Takahito MURA JPN 84.88 45.77 39.11 8.04 7.46 7.89 7.93 7.79 0.00 #21
5 Q Joshua FARRIS USA 84.29 44.53 39.76 7.82 7.61 8.11 8.04 8.18 0.00 #20
6 Q Daisuke MURAKAMI JPN 82.86 45.43 37.43 7.64 7.07 7.68 7.54 7.50 0.00 #14
7 Q Misha GE UZB 82.25 43.25 39.00 7.71 7.36 7.96 7.93 8.04 0.00 #25
8 Q Jeremy TEN CAN 77.09 40.94 36.15 7.18 7.00 7.29 7.29 7.39 0.00 #15
9 Q Jason BROWN USA 75.86 36.50 39.36 7.75 7.68 7.93 7.96 8.04 0.00 #23
10 Q Yi WANG CHN 72.83 40.54 32.29 6.61 6.11 6.57 6.46 6.54 0.00 #11
11 Q Liam FIRUS CAN 70.21 37.25 32.96 6.64 6.36 6.57 6.68 6.71 0.00 #2
12 Q Adam RIPPON USA 68.37 31.55 36.82 7.61 6.86 7.39 7.46 7.50 0.00 #17
13 Q Ronald LAM HKG 63.89 35.64 29.25 5.96 5.54 5.82 6.00 5.93 1.00 #7
14 Q Nam NGUYEN CAN 63.78 31.77 33.01 6.75 6.36 6.43 6.79 6.68 1.00 #19
15 Q June Hyoung LEE KOR 63.35 30.74 32.61 6.64 6.18 6.61 6.68 6.50 0.00 #18
16 Q Brendan KERRY AUS 63.23 33.55 30.68 6.32 5.79 6.11 6.32 6.14 1.00 #10
17 Q Jin Seo KIM KOR 61.53 29.82 31.71 6.61 6.00 6.39 6.39 6.32 0.00 #16
18 Q Denis MARGALIK ARG 60.81 31.31 30.50 6.07 5.86 6.21 6.18 6.18 1.00 #8
19 Q Abzal RAKIMGALIEV KAZ 57.54 29.04 28.50 5.96 5.14 5.79 5.86 5.75 0.00 #6
20 Q Julian Zhi Jie YEE MAS 57.02 31.16 27.86 5.68 5.32 5.54 5.71 5.61 2.00 #12
21 Q Chih-I TSAO TPE 55.27 27.06 28.21 5.79 5.32 5.75 5.71 5.64 0.00 #9
22 Q Yuhang GUAN CHN 54.99 28.41 27.58 5.79 5.18 5.54 5.57 5.50 1.00 #5
23 Q Se Jong BYUN KOR 54.20 27.49 26.71 5.61 4.96 5.39 5.43 5.32 0.00 #13
24 Q Harry Hau Yin LEE HKG 51.10 28.06 23.04 4.61 4.29 4.75 4.68 4.71 0.00 #1
25 Andrew DODDS AUS 46.91 22.60 25.31 5.21 4.71 5.04 5.21 5.14 1.00 #3
26 Jui-Shu CHEN TPE 44.48 22.80 21.68 4.54 4.00 4.39 4.54 4.21 0.00 #4

 

[Alba]

I don't get that vibe at all, at least from statements.

I hope so. Anyway, IMO, there is no need to try that now. He has plenty of time to work on it once the season is over and he can start with B competition next season and see how it goes.

 

[Mrs. P]

I hope so. Anyway, IMO, there is no need to try that now. He has plenty of time to work on it once the season is over and he can start with B competition next season and see how it goes.

Yeah, I don't think they would take the risk again at Worlds, especially with Worlds spots at stake.

 

[Winnie_20]

Due to the time zone difference, there is no way for me to watch any of this live (unless I want to get fired from my job), so only finished catching up with the men's SP now.

Denis Ten on top form is such a rarity, it seems, only happens late in the season every year, at least that is how it always feels to me, and this time is no exception. And when he is on form, MAN, I just cannot take my eyes off him. Mesmerizingly beautiful. I so dearly want him to be able to skate like this in the FS, too.
Also thrilled for the Japanese guys. Even without Hanyu and Machida, they more than make a statement.

 

[TontoK]

Rewatching some videos, and I really like Josh's reaction on the ice after his music finished.

No screaming or squealing. No crying and carrying on. No excessive and demonstrative fist-pumping.

Just a nod to himself that seemed to say, "Yeah. I knew I'd skate that clean, but there's a way to go in this competition."

To me, was is the sign of a confident skater.

 

[zschultz1986]

I hope all you quad naggers are happy now. You can shut up, he attempted it. It didn't add anything, and we was judged more harshly because of it.

Maybe now you can all shut up about Kori and Jason's plans, which are obviously working.

 

[NoNameFace]

finally I'm back from work and had a chance to watch competition - and what a competition it was!!!

My prediction can be flushed in a toilet right now, but that's one of the greatest things in figure skating I think - power to surprise, to change your mind about the skater.

I watched top 10 - to be honest, I'm not so much into singles, I have no favourite, but I'm watching it all and in singles I always search beautifully incorporated technique into performance - not jump-jump-turn-another jump. Moreover, I am a huge sucker for interesting choreography, musicality and non-standard music choice.

Three programs gave me a great pleasure to watch:

- firstly, Joshua Farris - I was not very familiar with his programs and him as a skater at all until today, he'll be definetly one to watch for me for the future. This Ed Sheeran's SP is magic - such understanding of music, great technique (but what's important - it didn't overshadow or limit the reception of the whole performance). His body was an instrument there - all notes, accents were presented in his movement and step sequence gave me chills. Hope he'll deliver it also in FS.

- Shoma Uno - I watch him since last year (more like pay attention about his development) and my gut feelings were justified - he's a star in the making. I can see in his face during skating that he want to give everything he got - and he's got very expressive movement to show all these emotions. His composure and focus is kinda impressive as such a young skater - and what's suprising even for me, his skating is very mature for me already. Like Farris, he's got amazing musicality.And beating his own PB by 10 points...

- finally, Denis Ten - that's not a common reaction for me, but after watching him, I want to cry - cry for happiness, joy he gave us skating so beautifully. He became simply an union with this music - my favourite moment was after 3rd spin, just before step sequence when his expression shown how deeply he was in this moment, how greatly he was engaged into the story. His technique showcased only more his fantastic feeling of music - those knees and airy jumps...This was the second time (after Patrick Chan's Rachmaninoff SP) I felt emotionally connected with the skater and his program so deeply - thank you Denis for that

 

[TontoK]

I hope all you quad naggers are happy now. You can shut up, he attempted it. It didn't add anything, and we was judged more harshly because of it.

Maybe now you can all shut up about Kori and Jason's plans, which are obviously working.

He's old news. Josh is today's headline.

Just kidding. Sort of. In all seriousness, before the competition, Kori made clear that her goal was to get the quad attempted in competition to build for the future. In his post-skate interview, Jason reiterated this point. Neither Jason nor Kori seemed to care much about scoring or placement here.

In the long haul, the attempt IS about them carrying out their plan.

And, I, being a quad nagger and all, am glad he attempted it.

 

[Li'Kitsu]

I have seen a practice quad from Josh that was jaw-dropping in its ease and flow. Think how he drops out of his 3A. It was like that.

Did you mean this one?

Rewatching some videos, and I really like Josh's reaction on the ice after his music finished.

No screaming or squealing. No crying and carrying on. No excessive and demonstrative fist-pumping.

Just a nod to himself that seemed to say, "Yeah. I knew I'd skate that clean, but there's a way to go in this competition."

To me, was is the sign of a confident skater.

Yep. Really makes you think that he's going to nail his LP too. Why isn't it saturday already?!

 

[TontoK]

Did you mean this one?



Yep. Really makes you think that he's going to nail his LP too. Why isn't it saturday already?!

Yep. That's the one I mean. Awesome.

 

[Wo|flax]

I hope all you quad naggers are happy now. You can shut up, he attempted it. It didn't add anything, and we was judged more harshly because of it.

Maybe now you can all shut up about Kori and Jason's plans, which are obviously working.

lmao relax, the reason everyone was nagging is because the first time, or the first few times was probably not going to go smoothly, and we were afraid of him running out of time.

 

[Mrs. P]

lmao relax, the reason everyone was nagging is because the first time, or the first few times was probably not going to go smoothly, and we were afraid of him running out of time.

With all due respect and sincerity, what timeline is everyone putting Jason on? Why is he running out of time?

Is it because Yuzuru, who is the same age, is planning 3 quads every competition and wants to do 5 of them within this quad? Because Shoma Uno and Nam Nguyen are younger and do them? Because Joshua Farris can do quads well in practice?

I mean, I get it, you need a quad to be competitive, multiple ones at that.

But from a mindset, health and a longevity perspective, what does he have to gain by trying to keep up with the Joneses of figure skating and meet some artificial deadline? His goal is to compete two more Olympic cycles and become a contender in the long run for World/Olympic medals. So what is the consequence of not getting the quad not quite correct (or even really attempting it) in 2015 on that long-term goal?

Sort of thinking of this from a philosophical standpoint.

 

[zschultz1986]

lmao relax, the reason everyone was nagging is because the first time, or the first few times was probably not going to go smoothly, and we were afraid of him running out of time.

Afraid he's running out of time because skating fans in particular (and the world at large) seem to be SO fickle. They want everything now, and have no concept of a "long game." Your opinion highlights this perfectly. He's NOT running out of time, his plan is and always has been 2018. 2014 was a delightful surprise, and happened because he was perfect and had amazing programs, and others made mistakes. However, he was never looking towards Sochi. Josh is the FotM, I get it.

He's not running out of time. You (and people like you who have no concept of a "long game" plan) really need to learn that your opinions, while you have the right to give them, aren't adding anything to the discussion. Kori has been a good coach and steward of Jason and obviously Jason trusts her, so I will let them execute the plans they've formed.

Everyone else's opinions (including mine) are pointless.

Edit: Also, if the first few times aren't going to go smoothly (which I agree with) why call for them at the Nationals when he hasn't done it all year, or at Worlds? Why must he conform to your (or anyone else's) timetable? He doesn't and shouldn't.

 

[MalAssada]

I'm answering your question from a neutral viewpoint, as I didn't even know there was such a thing as a timeline: Jason can keep his no-quad approach for as long as he remains one of USA's top men. Since I do not watch Men very often, I do not know if there are any strong juniors that might get his spot. Anyway, when does a skater's body makes it harder for someone to get a quad?

 

[Li'Kitsu]

With all due respect and sincerity, what timeline is everyone putting Jason on? Why is he running out of time?

Is it because Yuzuru, who is the same age, is practicing 3 quads in a competition? Because Shoma Uno and Nam Nguyen are younger and do them? Because Joshua Farris can do quads well in practice?

I mean, I get it, you need a quad to be competitive, multiple ones at that.

But from a mindset, health and a longevity perspective, what does he have to gain by trying to keep up with the Jones of figure skating and meet some artificial deadline?

Again, I'm asking from a philosophical standpoint.

I don't even think Yuzuru should be taken into account with any kind of jump discussions. He's an anomaly not matter how you look at it. And to counter balance the other examples - look at Machida. He got his quad pretty late too, but he definitely got it.

People also said Jason would be too late for the 3A. And now he got it. He'll be fine.

 

[Wo|flax]

With all due respect and sincerity, what timeline is everyone putting Jason on? Why is he running out of time?

Is it because Yuzuru, who is the same age, is planning 3 quads every competition and wants to do 5 of them within this quad? Because Shoma Uno and Nam Nguyen are younger and do them? Because Joshua Farris can do quads well in practice?

I mean, I get it, you need a quad to be competitive, multiple ones at that.

But from a mindset, health and a longevity perspective, what does he have to gain by trying to keep up with the Joneses of figure skating and meet some artificial deadline? His goal is to compete two more Olympic cycles and become a contender in the long run for World/Olympic medals. So what is the consequence of not getting the quad not quite correct (or even really attempting it) in 2015 on that long-term goal?

Sort of thinking of this from a philosophical standpoint.

I'm just a big worrier I was mostly afraid he wouldn't even try it next season; and only start the season before olys; but it's obvious he's going to try it next season now. I just wanted him to have both quads(SP LP), other jumps, and other elements(ie in the context of doing a quad as well) down pat by Olys. It just seemed to me that the first season of a cycle would be a good season to start. I was never one of the more ardent pushers, since only him and coach know how it's going in practice- it might have been really going nowhere for all we knew. The time it has nothing to do with other skaters.

 

[Mrs. P]

I'm answering your question from a neutral viewpoint, as I didn't even know there was such a thing as a timeline: Jason can keep his no-quad approach for as long as he remains one of USA's top men. Since I do not watch Men very often, I do not know if there are any strong juniors that might get his spot. Anyway, when does a skater's body makes it harder for someone to get a quad?

I didn't realize there was a timeline either, hence my question.

I think one thing Jason DOES have going from him is that he has avoided major injuries in his skating. I think this is intentional on Kori's part. Kori had a biological/medical background and I think the training plan is really much based on avoiding injuries. We all see how injuries set back very talented skaters -- such as Josh, for example. I think Jason's flexibility also helps in preventing injury.

I'm just a big worrier I was mostly afraid he wouldn't even try it next season; and only start the season before olys; but it's obvious he's going to try it next season now. I just wanted him to have both quads(SP LP), other jumps, and other elements(ie in the context of doing a quad as well) down pat by Olys. It just seemed to me that the first season of a cycle would be a good season to start. I was never one of the more ardent pushers, since only him and coach know how it's going in practice- it might have been really going nowhere for all we knew. The time it has nothing to do with other skaters.

Thanks for humoring me. I really love talking about skating from this perspective or career/process.

I guess I mention other skaters, because that seems to be a common point brought up in these discussions, i.e. Jason really needs a quad already, look at XYZ skater they are way younger and already had it! And with Josh, a few years ago, everyone made a huge deal about Josh being the one who would end up making the most impact in seniors first because he had the beautiful 3A and a 4T in the works while Jason was struggling with the 3A. And now, that Jason's struggling with the quad, people are making the same predictions again. It's all deja vu in my head.

I guess I can see why you would think he would wait until the season before the Olympics -- because it wasn't a year before Sochi when his 3A was solidified. But we are talking VERY different circumstances then. During the former quad, Jason basically grew from 5'1 (in 2010) to 5'7 or 5'8 in about two years. People who skated with him noted that ALL his jumps were a complete mess and he basically had to get use to doing them with his taller body.

We don't have that same scenario now. Jason's done growing and not trying to rework jumps (such as his flutz). The 3A isn't perfect, but I think it's not a jump he thinks about a lot.

I don't even think Yuzuru should be taken into account with any kind of jump discussions. He's an anomaly not matter how you look at it. And to counter balance the other examples - look at Machida. He got his quad pretty late too, but he definitely got it.

People also said Jason would be too late for the 3A. And now he got it. He'll be fine.

I was totally thinking of Machida too. Yes I agree with Yuzuru being a complete anomaly. Another example is Daisuke Murakami, who is 24 and just seem to get his quad in shape this season.

And oh yeah, there was this one time that Jason Brown beat a certain skater from Kazakhstan back in 2012 Junior Worlds. What ever became of that guy? I think he turned out okay.

 

[zschultz1986]

I'm just a big worrier I was mostly afraid he wouldn't even try it next season; and only start the season before olys; but it's obvious he's going to try it next season now. I just wanted him to have both quads(SP LP), other jumps, and other elements(ie in the context of doing a quad as well) down pat by Olys. It just seemed to me that the first season of a cycle would be a good season to start. I was never one of the more ardent pushers, since only him and coach know how it's going in practice- it might have been really going nowhere for all we knew. The time it has nothing to do with other skaters.

That's fine, but if it isn't ready in practice, it's not gonna be ready in competition. I know this from experience as a diver. As an athlete, you don't go and do something in competition that isn't being done consistently in practice. We keep forgetting that skating, at it's core, is a sport, and a good athlete is a TRAINED athlete. I really have no problem with him doing it here. The competition is really just a tune-up, and it was good to get it out.

However, I don't think he should be doing it at Worlds, when spots are on the line. You don't do NEW things at big competitions, you do the same things that got you there.

 

[MiRé]

D10

 

[invisiblespiral]

Okay... I've watched a few videos:

Ten:

Ge: I enjoyed that too, but I think I'd like it better if I didn't watch it after Ten...

Yan: I want to set his music on fire. Apart from that....

Brown: That wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be?

Farris: I think this might be my favorite men's program this season...

More to come!