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2015 Worlds Short Dance March 25

The scoring as a whole is overinflated. It's patently obvious that NONE of these teams are at the level that Marlie and Voir were, but TPTB want to insist they are and All Is Well and Nothing's Changed by overinflating ALL the scores.

It's the Emperor's New Judging System.
 
I find P/C extremely boring, and I'm amazed that anyone thinks the Shibutani's are capable of being World Champs right now, or even better than a pair like C/B? :confused: This thread confuses me in all kinds of ways, but it's been interesting reading tonight.

The Shibs generally have pretty boring FD programs thanks to Zueva having no idea what to do with them, but their SD is stellar this year and they're better skaters (as a pair) than C/B. I don't think they're capable of being world champs at this point, but I don't understand how C/B can consistently out-score them in the SD. I know this is personal opinion, but the Shibs have better choreo and superior skating skills (Madison is a good performer, but Maia wipes the floor with her when it comes to basic SS and posture) and that's not being acknowledged by the judges, especially in a discipline where basic dance ability should mean something. It's really frustrating.

If you think C/B are better skaters and have better choreo, that's one thing. But I'm arguing that the Shibs are more talented than C/B and have a better SD, and I don't think it's being reflected in PCS the way it should be.
 
Ok.. Watched the entire thing from start to finish, and the end right now is not right. In my opinion:

1. Weaver/Poje - a little tentative, but very clean, complex moves and holds, speed, and intensity; great edges, close twizzles, speed out of the steps, ....
2. Papadakis/Cizeron - close 2nd. they dance with more fluidity than W/P tonight, but their choreo was not as complex, and was not completely clean
3. Shibs - completely underscored here; so clean, if a little understated
4. Capallini/Lanotte - that was really, really good; liked the intensity, the speed that grew over the course of the dance, and the clean and tidy feet, but it wasn't quite as tidy as Shibs
5. Chock/Bates - not understanding the love for this team - their lines don't match, there is little fluidity, it's very mechanical and contrived; the drama is the old "uber drama" that I was so glad to see go in the 90's; way over-scored here
6. Paul/Islam - seriously underscored here. That was a fantastic performance, great tone, amazing lines, good speed, matching movements, and they skate like real dancers
7. Illynyk/Zighanshin - they benefited greatly from being in the first group, where they were just way better than everyone else; they are coming along nicely, but they need more time to get the connections between them, there's some "pushing and pulling" between them yet as they work out unison, knowing where the other person is at all time, and just bodies flowing naturally together, lining up at the right times, etc.; but I really like this team, and I think they have way more chemistry and promise than Illynyk/Katsalopov.
8. Fournier Beaudry/Sorenson - they did a really, really beautiful job, and I think they would have had higher scores in a later flight. They were truly very, very good.
9. Gilles/Poirier - they may have checked the boxes technically to get levels, but I don't think the GOE should be as high, and they are way overscored on the PCS. Sorry, but they still look mismatched, and the crazy uber drama is only there to hide their flaws, which clearly worked because the judges over-scored them. The amount of 2-foot skating and ridiculous number of cross cuts are hidden in all that uber drama. The quality should start below the waist - in the edges, lines, movements, transitions - augmented with expression through the rest of the body. Not "look at my arms, and cape and face" so that you don't see what's really going on with the skating.
10. Hubbell/Donohue - yes they had a mistake, but I still think their skating skills and everything else were better than M/K, who I thought looked really awful. Not just the costume which was ridiculous, the skating was just so stiff, poor posture, and not dancing

And regarding the splat-fest - ice dancing is not as easy as it looks. It is more difficult in many ways than any other discipline in terms of skating as a team, complexity of lifts in off-centre positions at great speed, close footwork on edges at speed in holds, etc.
 
The scoring as a whole is overinflated. It's patently obvious that NONE of these teams are at the level that Marlie and Voir were, but TPTB want to insist they are and All Is Well and Nothing's Changed by overinflating ALL the scores.

It's the Emperor's New Judging System.

Agree 100%
 
Timing. Basically, that they got hte key point but were not precise in timing IRRC.



The funny thing the levels weren't bad. I mean they didn't get all level 4s, but there was no level 2s (which W/P got on one sequence) and they got a level 4 on one of their paso sequences (and maybe level 4 on both if the error turns out to be correct). They just didn't get the PCS. They had the lowest PCS out of the top 6. If the error is corrected their TES goes up to 36+ and that would have put them only behind C/B, C/L and W/P.

Someone should tweet the Shibs about the error on the protocol. I mean I assume their team will catch it? right?
 
The scoring as a whole is overinflated. It's patently obvious that NONE of these teams are at the level that Marlie and Voir were, but TPTB want to insist they are and All Is Well and Nothing's Changed by overinflating ALL the scores.

It's the Emperor's New Judging System.

I don't think it's only in Ice Dance though. It seems there has been a general inflation in PCS scores in all disciplines. Back in 2011 Worlds, only D/W and V/M got 36+ PCS. P/B got 34+ The rest of the top six were in the 30-31 range. (Shibs in 4th, Bobrov/Soloviev in 5th and I/K in 6th).

The top six all scored 34+ PCS today. Does that mean the top 6 here are better then top 6 back in 2011?
 
Corrected. Nice try.

So, in this competition, the American Tech Controller would have a say in determining levels only if the Canadian Tech Specialist and the Russian Asst Tech Specialist disagreed? And if the controller is breaking a tie, that would mean that either the tech specialist or asst tech specialist would have "voted" for whatever the final level was awarded?

Seriously, the conspiracy theories are getting a bit out of control.

How's this. The best technical coach in the world worked his skaters hard to improve the levels. He was successful.

I don't even know why I'm having this debate. All of these teams are forgettable, and it won't matter a hill of beans in 2 years who won this title.

By then, P/C will be truly brilliant and H/Baker will dominate US dance... and they're not even here.
 
good thing I havent watched
S/B:cry:I still love you!
but good for Chock/Bates!
congrats I/Z even though i still kinda dont care much about Ruslan:slink:
 
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