2017 Four Continents Men FS

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All you Yuzu fans, such NATHAN HAAATERSSS!!!

Y'all would criticize Nathan even if he was clean.

I don't understand why every time I criticize the judges, some fan would turn that into hating on skaters.

 

[Pamigena]

Are you serious?

looks like someone again stole the "no trolls allowed" sign that I put up

 

[xeyra]

I like Yuzu and Nathan (and also Shoma) equally.
All three did well to podium and could do better.

I'm more of a Japan boys kind of girl, but Nathan totally deserved the win and he is so talented at 17. To learn two new quads after major surgery that put him out for 6 months is downright impressive.

 

[frida80]

If Plushy comes back next year, even he could no longer win a "Platinum" medal.

More like a lifetime achievement award.

 

[WeakAnkles]

Nathan 24/7 on NBC Sports.

24k magic and all that stuff.

You get it.

 

[auser]

All you Yuzu fans, such NATHAN HAAATERSSS!!!

Y'all would criticize Nathan even if he was clean.

Please don't. I am a Nathan fan and Yuzu fan. That is what I love about watching 4cc ... an opportunity to see many talented, artistic skaters.

 

[Art&Sport]

I preferred Hanyu's PCS over Nathan's TES in their FPs. They should hand out 2 golds, one for TES and one for PCS I think Nathan could do with 1 less quad and longer transitions between jumps....

Yes, we really must change everything now when someone comes up who can beat Yuzuru, Javi and Shoma at the quads game.

 

[HanDomi]

Hanyu propably should change 4s in short and long for another 4T. If he can add it without training like that .. then well train with 4S and just change it in last minute

 

[Krislite]

On a different note, I hope Nathan didn't inure his ankle with that last 3Axel. That looked painful. :noshake:

 

[bixby]

I'm more of a Japan boys kind of girl, but Nathan totally deserved the win and he is so talented at 17. To learn two new quads after major surgery that put him out for 6 months is downright impressive.

Right? That just doesn't happened. Others struggle to get their triples back or even to come back in competitive shape after surgery so they quit. This kid became a national champion and a phenom in the international scene. He is IT today!

 

[omurice]

Yes I am...... Tell Hanyu to do a program like that!!!! Hanyu don't even deserve those PCS he gets! Over inflated as always.

lol........ :think:
I suppose we are all entitled to our own opinions....

 

[asiacheetah]

Yeap. Two records

First man to do 5 quads.
First man to jumped 4 different quads.

I guess. only because Jin Boyang's Quad Loop got downgraded. Two men did 5 quad attempts tonight. I guess you can count Yuzu as one who attempted 5 quads as well since he threw in a last minute quad toe + double toe, so had he laded the double Sal it would have been 5 quads as well.

Not taking anything away from Nathan, but that seems all his fans can concentrate on, is how many quads he landed. That's not saying much about his skating if that's all you can think of.

For a top skater, he really needs to beef up his PCS scores, because he has nothing to fall back on if his jumps are not with him on any particular day.

 

[da96103]

I'm more of a Japan boys kind of girl, but Nathan totally deserved the win and he is so talented at 17. To learn two new quads after major surgery that put him out for 6 months is downright impressive.

Actually he did not learn them after the surgery, he had both the 4Lz and 4F for two years already before he debut them last year.

 

[nolangoh]

Nathan deserve the win. 5 Quads! That's insane, he upped his tech with 2 Axels. Pcs is subjective, I find Hanyu boring as hell, he shouldn't even be 6 points ahead of Nathan in PCS. Dont be a sore loser! Plus he messed up his sals in both programs. He won the FS , what do you want.

Lol a sore loser? What about you dont be a cocky winner? I am not even a Yuzu fan but the score is a mess. I agree that this is not the best Yuzu program, I dont find it very interesting either, but so is Nathan's. Jumps, arm movements, skating, jumps, arm movements, skating, spins etc. Whereas Yuzuru has better skating skills and transitions, and he has better quality on his Technical elements. These qualities are enough to give him the marginal win.


"Was there a program?"

"NO! There were arm movements and jumps."

 

[Violet Bliss]

Quads are exciting but the most memorable programs for me from this event are those from Sui/Han and Virtue/Moir. These are the ones to watch over and over.

 

[eta]

I noticed earlier that that Mexican judge gives funny scores for some elements.

Is that the judge that gave 0 GOE on an element that most others gave a +3? Why did ISU remove the flags, so inconvenient, and I don't want to make assumptions based on names alone...

 

[sallycinnamon]

Is that the judge that gave 0 GOE on an element that most others gave a +3? Why did ISU remove the flags, so inconvenient, and I don't want to make assumptions based on names alone...

Yes, she is.
I simply google the name and check where the judge is from, when I'm really interested :dev2:

 

[da96103]

I guess. only because Jin Boyang's Quad Loop got downgraded. Two men did 5 quad attempts tonight. I guess you can count Yuzu as one who attempted 5 quads as well since he threw in a last minute quad toe + double toe, so had he laded the double Sal it would have been 5 quads as well.

Not taking anything away from Nathan, but that seems all his fans can concentrate on, is how many quads he landed. That's not saying much about his skating if that's all you can think of.

For a top skater, he really needs to beef up his PCS scores, because he has nothing to fall back on if his jumps are not with him on any particular day.

Yuzu cannot do two 4S and two 4T in the same program because he already planned for two 3A.
He did the second 4T because he popped the 4S. It was added based on plan B.

So a 5-quad program was never for this season.

 

[cherryncy]

While I cannot agree with the PCS given, well, it is kind of expected right? We all know there's going to be a PCS boost for Nathan being the US #1 and the quad boy.

But really, I like Nathan SP, but I cannot imagine there are so many ubers who are trying to defend that his FS is artistic and impressive to watch (while claiming Yuzuru FS is boring)

I guess we all must have completely opposite taste and preference. It is quite entertaining for me to read these arguments anyways.

Edit: Congrats though! I would say it's "fair" for either one of them to win

 

[DaPurpleDino]

Tell the ISU. That's what the ISU wants, and that's what Nathan is giving them because Nathan wants to win, and he loves to jump. He also has ballet training in his background and a huge capacity for further growth and maturity in all aspects of his skating. In order to land 5 quads in a program, it takes mental focus and paring down. That is nothing new. The remarkable thing about Nathan is that he's been able to complete a five-quad program relatively cleanly twice already. Although Nathan wasn't completely perfect in his fp at 4CCs, he also did not have any major lapses or messy falls like a lot of skaters with quads end up having when they try to pile on tech difficulty in their programs.

It's a real dilemma, the sport's over-focus on quads, but why does everyone complain so loudly when suddenly the order of things begins to change at the top? You either have skaters messing up and unable to skate clean programs crammed with detailed choreo and 3,4, or 5 quads and difficult transitions, or you have pared down, focused programs that are designed to give a talented skater the best opportunity to land the maximum number of quads. Suddenly quads are a problem for people who love them when their fave skaters are winning?

I don't have an issue with the number of quads, I have an issue with how programs are constructed around these quads- and yes I do agree that it is ISU's fault for rewarding programs with a higher tech difficulty rather than the total package.
However, my original question was about Nathan's interpretation - what makes his interpretation so much better than say Jason's or Yuzuru's? (Not trying to start anything here just curious)
I have read the interpretation vs performance thread that was linked before and I kinda understand the difference between the two but to me Nathan was performing rather than interpreting the music

also, I do agree with the final podium because Yuzuru did pop the combo in his SP - congrats to all the winners - looking forward to worlds