2017 Four Continents Men FS

[gsyzf]

They needed a new face since Gracie bombed an entire season. Nathan gave them what they wanted.

I think that's the main reason. If Gracie didn't bomb like she did this season, she would still be the face of US Olympic promotion. USFSA always puts their ladies first.

 

[Mrs. P]

I would have been surprised if they judges hadn't given him the highest spins. However, since that didn't happen, at least this is right in the skating world, even if we can't agree on anything else.

At least, I think most people should agree.......

I hope the -5/+5 GOE will allow the judges to better distinguish those who are better in spins and steps. Jumps also.

 

[da96103]

One Silver medal doesn't make him the Underdog. He is still very much the Favourite. He made an uncharacteristical mistake in the Short. That's why he lost, and he's lost before with too many mistakes. He is not unbeatable, we know that. Only if he's clean.

I rather he goes in the Worlds thinking he is the underdog. The last two season where he enters the Worlds as the favorite were disastrous to his FS.

 

[MaiKatze]

I love how far Yuzu has come from the past 2 seasons that mistakes on his 4S and SP combo are uncharacteristic Trust me, I am a fan but he used to do that all the time

And that is when others beat him. I think his mistake in the short was uncharacteristic, because it was a popped jump. He's been pretty stable in the short. Also he was sick with the flu in December. To miss training in high season can be a factor.

 

[yude]

Yuzuru cheered for Nathan :agree:

https://twitter.com/gurikonoomake1/status/833208860529741826

 

[MaiKatze]

Now we know Nathan has arrived. Haters gonna hate. This is going to turn into epic bias comments like past posts of Yuna vs Mao lol Next season's technical is going to be insane.

And Shoma will be the smiling winner, sneaky little Loco Leprechaun!

 

[cherryncy]

All you Yuzu fans, such NATHAN HAAATERSSS!!!

Y'all would criticize Nathan even if he was clean.

Woah That is very rude of you to generalise everyone and jump into such a bold conclusion.

 

[cleo2070]

My stream! http://www.ustream.tv/channel/christmas-decorations-christmas-trees

Thank you SO MUCH, sabinfire! It was great watching on your stream

 

[asiacheetah]

I don't think Nathan is Baryshnikov, John Curry, or Robin Cousins, but do I think the fix was in that Yuzuru was robbed? No. He and Patrick rightfully have a cushion because of they have fewer weaknesses. However, they open the door when they make mistakes. Nathan being second in the free but winning overall is completely defensible. We all know that judging is a mess but the overall result seems right.

I'm new to posting in this forum and can't figure out a way to quote the entire message if the poster was quoting someone else. The original message was from someone completely delusional who said Nathan has carrage and posture, etc, which Yuzuru doesn't have. Which, rightly so, both the person I'm quoting and me thought that was a major piece of crock. You can be fan, but please don't have such blinders on. Any idiot who's going to pretend that Nathan is head and shoulders above Yuzuru in artistry and posture is obviously deluded.

Also, I'm totally fine with the result of this competition. If Yuzuru skated two clean programs, I would have more of a problem with him loosing. I was just hoping for a clean H+L program because it's one of my favorite FS of all time. Keeping my fingers crossed that he skates it clean one time before retiring it after this season.

 

[Li'Kitsu]

Also, Chen is simply a better skater with a much stronger carriage and holds the tension in his body throughout with no break of the lines, much greater ease and fluidity of movement, as well as fluidity and solidity in the edging. Yes, the FS is pretty empty until the step sequence, but his fundamentals are just much stronger than Jin's, and it counts for something.

His fundamentals are SS related and partly PE. Yes, he's better in SS. In PE, Boyang actually has strengths over Nathan too (more energy, more audience connection). And then there are 3 other categories, out of which one if transitions, where Nathan is actually weaker than Boyang, if you look at their content. So how on earth is an 10+ PCS gap supposed to come out of that? Especially when according to these marks, Nathan is also way closer to Patrick and Yuzuru than he is to Boyang. The qualities you mention there aren't even close to enough to justify that

And I didn't notice many Nathan Chen fans questioning the judging in this competition.

Right, it is very rare to not see the fans of the gifted skater complain... oh, wait Seriously though, what would Nathan fans comlain about?

 

[frida80]

I knew they were hyping him. I wasn't sure if the hype will go out of control after this.

I think some sponsors are going to start sniffing now. Especially Nike. Nathan is 17 so he will attract that 18-34 demographic. But no you hasn't reached Simone Biles levels yet. Maybe when it gets closer to next year.

 

[da96103]

Patrick Chan fans arrived at goldenskate: Okay we are ready for another Chan vs Hanyu discussion.

Security guard says: Sorry guys, you have to go home. There no more Chan vs Hanyu.

Patrick Chan fans: What?

Security guard: It is Nathan vs Hanyu nowadays.

Patrick Chan's fans go home feeling rather sad.

 

[love2skate]

I love Yuzu--he really changed the sport--Just like Patrick before him and so on and so on--Everything changes and moves forward. It's a fact of life,and it is also a fact in skating.

 

[Art&Sport]

The American judge gave Nathan a 9.25 for performance and interpretation!

Such PCS scores are more suited to Jason Brown. However, the American judge over-rewarding Nathan in those categories is not much different from the PCS over-rewarding that Yuzuru and Javier have received for years.

But then again there's no accounting for what some judges will do. How in the heck did Boyang Jin receive higher PCS than Misha Ge!!!?? :disapp: :noshake: :roll9:

 

[Krislite]

I think some sponsors are going to start sniffing now. Especially Nike. Nathan is 17 so he will attract that 18-34 demographic. But no you hasn't reached Simone Biles levels yet. Maybe when it gets closer to next year.

I doubt the hype will ever get that big even if he wins Worlds. Men's skating is nothing compared to women's gymnastics in the US. If you thought media interest is dead for US women's skating, for men it's basically non-existent.

 

[Plisskin]

Just woke up, checked the results, and came to this thread to see typical arguing, lol. I think Nathan fans are going to have to get used to people now slagging off his SS and artistry (which is actually good but he just has 2 whack programs). Once you become a contender and beat some fans' fav's it happens. Well, I'm off to watch video's. From the comments it sounds like a well skated event overall.

 

[sallycinnamon]

Such PCS scores are more suited to Jason Brown.

But then again there's no accounting for what some judges will do. How in the heck did Boyang Jin receive higher PCS than Misha Ge!!!?? :disapp: :noshake: :roll9:

Yes, totally agree on Boyang vs Misha too.

Interesting thing is that the Hungarian commentator (a former judge herself) mentioned during SP that judges are not accountable anymore, unlike they were years ago.

 

[SelfOM]

I doubt the hype will ever get that big even if he wins Worlds. Men's skating is nothing compared to women's gymnastics in the US. If you thought media interest is dead for US women's skating, for men it's basically non-existent.

US men's nationals was up 10% in TV ratings compared to last year while every other discipline was down. Sure absolute numbers were lower than ladies, but it also had a worse time slot.

 

[shine]

His fundamentals are SS related and partly PE. Yes, he's better in SS. In PE, Boyang actually has strengths over Nathan too (more energy, more audience connection). And then there are 3 other categories, out of which one if transitions, where Nathan is actually weaker than Boyang, if you look at their content. So how on earth is an 10+ PCS gap supposed to come out of that? Especially when according to these marks, Nathan is also way closer to Patrick and Yuzuru than he is to Boyang. The qualities you mention there aren't even close to enough to justify that

I'm not trying to justify the gap in their PCS or how PCS is marked in general because let's be honest, that has been a lost cause for as long as I can remember. Medeveeva is receiving 9s in PCS and I think I would kill myself trying to understand it. I'm simply objecting to the poster who said Chen should be getting the same PCS as Jin by implying that they are on par in their presentation abilities - which I disagreed. Also, Jin's so called audience connection is clearly pretty subjective. While you may have found his FS to be demonstrating just that, I found it quite forced and even awkward to watch, especially when he was trying to be playful. It's like watching an usually introverted person being forced to tell jokes. In terms of "energy", Chen looked to me to have a ton of that, so I disagree there as well.

 

[KatGrace1925]

US men's nationals was up 10% in TV ratings compared to last year while every other discipline was down. Sure absolute numbers were lower than ladies, but it also had a worse time slot.

I think with the olympics, the NBC hype and the fact that Nathan is very marketable could lead to an uptick in some of the viewing. But being that skating is down I can't be absolutely sure.