2017 World Ladies SP

[atsumiri]

Here's an analogy you understand. When you draw poo, doesn't matter how many details you put into your drawing, it's still poo. Your poo can be the most elegant and genuine and symmetrical and emotional, and yet, still poo.

Evgenia is capable of doing better programs. What people are having problem with is the system rewarding her poo programs.

looks like it's YOU who have problems.... diffinetly not Evgenia....
so disrespectful... you're disgusting :disagree::disagree::disagree::disagree::disagree::disagree::disagree:


Winners will always be criticized, no matter what. The performance, the scores, the music, the costume, this spin position, that jump landing, the coach's hair, polish color.....
Haters gonna hate...... and your comment is a good example of it.....

 

[Yatagarasu]

I'm sure you're trying your best.

:agree:

 

[TerpsichoreFS]

I have to say I was so impressed with Karen ' s spins. They were so fast that they were a little blurry on my screen

 

[sallycinnamon]

Dabin is 11th :agree: Big chance for 2 spots.

Fingers crossed for Dabin. She is very consistent, I know she can skate very well in the fs too.

 

[Ares]

Come on, both skaters have delicate qualities although I really don't get Maria's PCS over Wakaba whose SS and presentation are much superior than Maria (but I know the answer already). Two Polinas from Russia and USA broke my heart this season.

I don't get either (I think Wakaba should be above Sotskova in components) but keep in mind that Sotskova had better season than Higuchi and was more consistent. It shouldn't factor in ideal world but it does in real one (unfortunately),
politics also matter. I know that you know about it too.

 

[solani]

Did u even watch Carolinas program? Lots of mistakes. She was over scored.

I did (twice actually) and I think she was judged accordingly. I just find it interesting how low some users here would actually score her. Times have changed a bit, a couple of years ago many complained about her PCS after a fall or a couple of falls, now a messed up spin and scratchy landings are enough. The question is - did the technical errors affect the program negatively? The error in the spin was very obvious. Without those errors I would have had her PCS 1-2 points higher. I never actually clocked her step sequence but my subjective view is that she needs less time to complete a level 4 step sequence than anyone else. Less time than Sotskova in any case. The transitions she does are difficult and of high quality, the program is different and the music is very difficult to skate to. You mustn't like the program to be able to appreciate her qualities. Was it perfect? No. But it's not like she received a PCS like Medvedeva or Osmond.

 

[Blades of Passion]

I don't know why some people say that things ... "Evgenia's PCS is bad blahblah" ..... it's just funny to read.....

She has a lot of one-foot skating and transitions and few crossovers. Her program is packed with huge amounts of footworks. Also she executes every steps, turns and move precisely.
She has an an obscene amount of attention to detail and not even the slightest bobble.
She's doing the most with her blades and her body, comparing with other skaters. She's just on another level.

Not true. She may have many transitions but they are not all executed particularly well. She chops a lot of them short or doesn't have full extension on them or slows down considerably to do them. She is actually relatively slow across the ice in general. Her scores are a joke, as always. It's not just the PCS but the GOE of every single element. Her spins are not that great, her double axel is not great. She doesn't deserve +3 GOE on any element and yet she gets lots of them. Many of her elements are only +1 GOE quality (the flying camel and double axel for sure) and yet she gets +2's across the board. Inflation everywhere.

Compare this program to Mao Asada or Carolina Kostner from 2014 Worlds and it's easy to see how inferior Medvedeva's basic skating quality is. Yet, she receives record scores.

 

[jenaj]

P/E and IN, yes. Rest of them are 1 point lower.

P/E should have been better for sure. But how do you get better than a 10 ?

 

[Ares]

Just looked at protocols. Med's scores so inflated. A 10 from one judge on performance? Seriously? And on that shaky first spin, positive GOE? Med is going to win. The other podium spots are up for grabs.

Zhenya would need to fall on jump to lose SP.

 

[MiraiFan]

the russians are always so over-rated. They are good with tech generally, but their pcs is uncalled for. Medvedeva has a lot of talent, but it is not being guided and developed properly. They really should take off for those unsightly head-hugging arm wraps and the terrible choreo with overbearing music. She needs better overall packaging. She's always so over-scored. Maria sotskova can skate, but she has nothing about her that stands out as unique or special.

If medvedeva actually was packaged better and stopped with the histrionics and if the russians in general would stop being over-hyped and always looking so desperate and entitled at the same time, i might be able to enjoy them better.

^^^this.

 

[Sasha'sSpins]

Just watched NBCSN's broadcast of the ladie's SP. Big ups to National Champ Karen Chen! I was so worried for and about her but she showed true grit out there! Great job by Karen and Ashley. Mariah almost gave me a heart attack on that second triple on the combo but she held it together for the rest of the program. Evgenia is in a league of her own for sure! And the Canadian ladies are going to fight for those 3 spots! Out of the top 3 everyone seems pretty close in the scores! Hopefully Karen and Ashley can get those 3 spots for the U.S.!

Thanks for the PBPs. I'm enjoying a leisurely read now after the competition.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Yes especially for Ashley (or Rafael), seeing Karen in front of her is an hard pillow to swallow.

Well, Karen did beat her at Nationals... and both benefited from a lenient tech specialist (arguably, Ashley could have been hit harder than Karen). I don't think it would be a hard pill to swallow if they kept 3 spots and Ashley had a rough Olympic season but the 3rd US spot ensured she would go to the Olympics.

 

[IceSlayage]

Lol what?

Okay guys can we talk about the results for the 2017 world ladies SP?

Love Evgenia's ethusiasm and technical abilities but how exactly did she get 36.91 for PCS?

Not even the most mature skaters in the competition recieved those PCS. Her edges seem pretty shallow and her choreography (although very lively and cute) did not really grip me emotionally like Mao's 2014 FP or Yuna's 2010 FP. Why is she receiving abnormally high PCS while others like zijunli recieved a whopping 10 points less in PCS. I agree Evgenia's PCS should be higher than Zijunli but not by 10 points. That is the margin between an adult mature skater and a junior's first year in senior circuit. This clearly not the case. What is going on with the PCS lately... The men's judging isn't this bad from what I remembered.

Yuna recieved 33.80 PCS for her legendary 2010 BOND SP

I do not see how Evgenia's SP is 3 points higher than Yuna's bond. In fact I see a huge difference in level of emotional connection with the audience, timing, expression, and overall story-telling. Lol... what is going on...

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

I did (twice actually) and I think she was judged accordingly. I just find it interesting how low some users here would actually score her. Times have changed a bit, a couple of years ago many complained about her PCS after a fall or a couple of falls, now a messed up spin and scratchy landings are enough. The question is - did the technical errors affect the program negatively? The error in the spin was very obvious. Without those errors I would have had her PCS 1-2 points higher. I never actually clocked her step sequence but my subjective view is that she needs less time to complete a level 4 step sequence than anyone else. Less time than Sotskova in any case. The transitions she does are difficult and of high quality, the program is different and the music is very difficult to skate to. You mustn't like the program to be able to appreciate her qualities. Was it perfect? No. But it's not like she received a PCS like Medvedeva or Osmond.

I think Kostner was fairly scored too. Solid 3-3, shaky landings on her 3F and 2A (I'd have given her -1 on both). The spin was quite a disaster though and really disrupted the program.

Also, this is a very difficult style of program to interpret well. The dress doesn't seem to make sense, and it's all a little too abstract. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the judges simply didn't "get it", and if other judges scored her well because of who she is, regardless of the program.

I appreciate her trying to do something out of the box for her from her usual lyrical/classical pieces, but it's just... weird... and doesn't seem accessible to me. And her movements need to be crisper and more staccato whereas she is a fluid skater, so it doesn't add up.

Oh well, still nice to see her back at Worlds, and not a bad comeback skate.

 

[Sasha'sSpins]

Okay guys can we talk about the results for the 2017 world ladies SP?

Love Evgenia's ethusiasm and technical abilities but how exactly did she get 36.91 for PCS?

Not even the most mature skaters in the competition recieved those PCS. Her edges seem pretty shallow and her choreography (although very lively and cute) did not really grip me emotionally like Mao's 2014 FP or Yuna's 2010 FP. Why is she receiving abnormally high PCS while others like zijunli recieved a whopping 10 points less in PCS. I agree Evgenia's PCS should be higher than Zijunli but not by 10 points. That is the margin between an adult mature skater and a junior's first year in senior circuit. This clearly not the case. What is going on with the PCS lately... The men's judging isn't this bad from what I remembered.

Yuna recieved 33.80 PCS for her legendary 2010 BOND SP

I do not see how Evgenia's SP is 3 points higher than Yuna's bond. In fact I see a huge difference in level of emotional connection with the audience, timing, expression, and overall story-telling. Lol... what is going on...

I too don't understand Evgenia's PCS scores compared to the other top ladies. Her tech score should be tops for sure though.

eta: Carolina was a little shaky here and there but overall a great comeback skate for Kostner! I think her scores were fair too.

Mariah reminds me so much of Sasha Cohen! She has Cohen's Sass and Flash!

Her scores and great skate have to give a boost to Karen Chen's confidence! She's the only American in the final flight for the long! I hope she carries that confidence over into the FS (same for Ashley and Mariah!). If the Americans, especially Karen and Ashley can hold it together they just might get those 3 spots for the Olympics and Worlds next year.

Dabin Choi did her country proud! I hope she hits it out of the ball park in the FS and goes into the Olympic season with her scores getting better and better. Nothing like skating great on home ice at the Olympics next year!

Wakaba did great, Rika did very well but Japan may be in trouble for those 3 spots next year.

I really really hope that Karen and Ashley improve on their rankings even more for the FS! Right now they're right there at 12 with the magic number being 13 but I'd love an even bigger cushion!

 

[MIM]

woops!! wrong thread!

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Okay guys can we talk about the results for the 2017 world ladies SP?

Love Evgenia's ethusiasm and technical abilities but how exactly did she get 36.91 for PCS?

Not even the most mature skaters in the competition recieved those PCS. Her edges seem pretty shallow and her choreography (although very lively and cute) did not really grip me emotionally like Mao's 2014 FP or Yuna's 2010 FP. Why is she receiving abnormally high PCS while others like zijunli recieved a whopping 10 points less in PCS. I agree Evgenia's PCS should be higher than Zijunli but not by 10 points. That is the margin between an adult mature skater and a junior's first year in senior circuit. This clearly not the case. What is going on with the PCS lately... The men's judging isn't this bad from what I remembered.

Yuna recieved 33.80 PCS for her legendary 2010 BOND SP

I do not see how Evgenia's SP is 3 points higher than Yuna's bond. In fact I see a huge difference in level of emotional connection with the audience, timing, expression, and overall story-telling. Lol... what is going on...

Bear in mind, PCS scores back in 2010 were extremely low compared to these days when judges have shifted up the field's PCS on the whole. Kim would probably get at least 36/37 PCS for that Bond program, so you can't really compare that year to this year.

Evgenia's PCS is out of control, but she is consistent and the judges have no choice but to either score her the same or increase the score the next time out.

I wouldn't say her edges are shallow (some are even saying she's slow, but look at things like her spread eagle and steps into her 3L), but agree that she doesn't always finish her movements. Someone like Osmond, you can tell commits to each and every movement and detail, whereas sometimes Evgenia looks like she's very engaged and other times looks like she's going through the motions.

Skaters like Zijun are inconsistent and constant underperforming (and under-rotating) causes the judges to perceive you as a "second-tier" skater, even if the rest of your skating qualities are good. It's very rare in ladies for a skater to get high PCS without a reputation for consistency/strong performances... and Zijun has only ever had a handful of those.

 

[amc987]

I just watched the top 8.

Call me crazy, but I think Medvedeva and Osmond should be closer together. Medvedeva's program is more lyrical, has more intricate choreography, harder transitions, and better spins. She also has the arm variations on the triple-triple. I think Kaetlyn Osmond has better height and distance on her jumps and better speed. And, although I still think she's getting help from the music, Kaetlyn really seems to embody the character she's trying to portray. It feels authentic. I'd have Medvedeva around 77.5 or 78 for what she did today. Osmond's score actually seems about right given how she's been scored previously.

The next 4 skaters are where things get messy to me. Daleman was overscored (should be around 71). She has great height and distance on her jumps, good speed, and she's a competent spinner. But there isn't much going on with the rest of her program, and what she is doing feels boring and repetitive to me. Pogorilaya was underscored. Anna might have been less spectacular on the combo, but she still did her jumps well and her performance quality is way better than Daleman's. I'd have Pogo at about 73.5. Daleman should be no higher than 71.

Ashley Wagner was also underscored I think. She did a clean program and she performs the hell out of it. While I think she understandably loses some GOE on the 3F-3T and the 2A as compared to Daleman, I think the GOE she got was too low. Her performance quality is also way better than Daleman's, and I don't see much to quibble about among the two re: the spins. I'd have her at about 71 as well.

Chen and Sotskova were overscored. Sotskova b/c her program, while well executed on the jumps and spins, feels slow and boring. Chen because although she was elegant and she has good speed, her 3-3 looked underrotated. There's something about it that looks polished but lacks charisma. They both should be at about 68.

Kostner's score, IMO, is about right given her wonky landings on the 3F and 2A and her wobbly spins.

So I'd have: 1. Medvedeva (~78); 2. Osmond (~76); 3. Pogorilaya (73.5); 4T. Daleman/Wagner (~71); 6T. Sotskova/ Chen (~68); 8. Kostner (~66.5).

I think that things will shuffle around a bit after the free. I'd be surprised if both Canadians make the podium and Pogorilaya is left off. I think/ hope Ashley will move up a little bit and Karen Chen/ Sotskova will move down a little bit. I'm hoping that not being in the final group won't suppress Ashley's and Carolina's scores if they skate really well on Friday.

 

[IceSlayage]

I too don't understand Evgenia's PCS scores compared to the other top ladies. Her tech score should be tops for sure though.

The worst part is, she looked like she expected a higher score. I was like GURRRL you just recieved PCS that only the QUEENS of ice (Yuna, Mao, Carolina) can achieve. And you want more? I think she is super cute and talented but seriously GURLL you have been spoiled with those inflated scores. Its a shame because she wont have an incentive to improve.

I remember when Yuna first burst onto the scene with Tango de Roxanne. That girl slayyed the damn house with her sass and tango and still only received a mere 30.46 PCS. And I feel like that motivation that there is more improvement to be made really made Yuna stronger and she eventually blossomed into a Queen.

 

[breadstal]

I think Evgenia for sure has quanity She does a lot and does them all well and I really respect her for that. I think it's normal to like and dislike some things for every skater. People have to respect that everyone looks at her differently and they don't have to be "haters" when you're writing criticism or to "be delusional" when you're fan of skater. I don't agree fully with her scores and I don't think she's so far ahead of everyone but I still acknowledge her and her skills :agree: Figure skating is this kind of sport, you don't always agree with winners, we all see things in different ways.