2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

chasingneverland

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It's a different time now and you have to let the true juniors skate at Russian nationals. Dasha Maya and KV have gotten immeasurable experiences skating against great competition at the Russian cup stages this season. They don't need junior nationals nor should they be there. There's just too many girls now. And the fed does not want to stunt the growth of the 13 year old girls coming up. Winning junior nationals would do nothing for KVi Dasha or Maia. But it would be something huge for one of the Sofias or Veronika or whoever would win. This is how the Russian federation has kept the Russian ladies in Russian girls machine going the last 5 years or so. Everybody gets a piece of the pie. Then the best girls pull away from the others.

Now they were still having junior worlds this year the Sofias might not make that team and the other 3 girls we were talking about would be at junior nationals. But junior nationals as different as we both know and you can let the other less experience girls get some valuable experience against great competition.
Well seeing as Sofia's birthday is July 7 and she turned 13 July 7, 2020 she definitely wouldn't make the team as she's not age eligible for Junior Worlds - if it wasn't cancelled.
 

Scott512

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Yep! That Olympics drama lacked Russian ladies. It was all about Nancy/Tonya/Oksana.

It shows though that although the RusFed was furious with Butyrskaya, they were still fair in judging at RusNats, giving her spots for Europeans and Worlds for years to come. And we mustn't forget...Maria proved RusFed wrong ("You should quit, you are too old") when she was the first Russian Lady to win the Worlds in 1999. She was a hero after that...
Maria winning worlds in 1999 was fantastic. She was always swimming against the current in her career so to speak. I was so disappointed when she finished 4th at the 1998 Winter OlympicsI mean is there a worse spot in figure skating than 4th?
 

Scott512

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I think it's funny that we call her little Liza (although I know where it originates from), as if she isn't 2 years older than Sasha and Anna and 4 years older than Kamila, Daria, and Maiia who will be her direct competitors next year. She's Alina's age who apparently is "old and doesn't have fun competing." She's Sofia's age who also apparently has "hit her peak due to circumstances and will never reach that level again."
It is amazing.

I just differentiate as the younger liza not to confuse anyone.. I hope they all scape for as long as possible because they bring a lot to the sport And if they are not tier one Russian ladies so what.
Well seeing as Sofia's birthday is July 7 and she turned 13 July 7, 2020 she definitely wouldn't make the team as she's not age eligible for Junior Worlds - if it wasn't cancelled.
You've got to be kidding? Eteri needs to storm the ISU offices and straighten a few things out like that stupid July 1st birthday date card off. ;)

Alysa Liu won us senior nationals at
13 with an August birthday.
 

Jontor

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Maria winning worlds in 1999 was fantastic. She was always swimming against the current in her career so to speak. I was so disappointed when she finished 4th at the 1998 Winter OlympicsI mean is there a worse spot in figure skating than 4th?
She was robbed of a bronze medal! And as Eurosport said back then, she skated first in the short, which is "the kiss of death".
And in the free she lost the medal with 4 judges to 5. Sooo close.
 

Scott512

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She was robbed of a bronze medal! And as Eurosport said back then, she skated first in the short, which is "the kiss of death".
And in the free she lost the medal with 4 judges to 5. Sooo close.

Maria has a husband and children now so things are good life matters more but yes I too think she should have won bronze in 98 Olympics.

Who got the bronze?
 

Jontor

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Maria has a husband and children now so things are good life matters more but yes I too think she should have won bronze in 98 Olympics.

Who got the bronze?
Chen Lu of China. Lovely skater, but unfortunately, she robbed Maria. Or more accurately, the judges robbed Maria.
 
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Scott512

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Chen Lu of China. Lovely skater, but unfortunately, she robbed Maria. Or more accurately, the judges robbed Maria.
Were they out of punish Russia because they were so great in the other 3 disciplines?
 
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Jontor

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Where they out of punish Russia because they were so great in the other 3 disciplines?
LOL! I really can't remember. And I might be a bit biased here as Maria is my all time favourite skater... ;) ;) ;)
 
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Arbitrary

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Were they out of punish Russia because they were so great in the other 3 disciplines?
Partially.
The talks about too many Soviets, too many Russians were all the time for last 40y.
The first was to move ladies to the last after all others took their medals.
Long ago the ladies were first to go, the dances were last. When Soviets settled the dances and men at the same time ISU pushed ladies back.
The nightmare happening in 1999 made ISU look stupid.
 

Thrashergurl

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Maria wasn’t robbed of anything. Lu Chen was a beautiful skater. I met Maria after she won Worlds. She was very shy and absolutely shocked that she had fans here. Her coach on the other hand was not as friendly and shy 😂
 

NaVi

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According to this page: https://allskaters.info/competition/2020-2021/

The Moscow qualifier for the younger junior nationals begins a week from tomorrow.

The entries were posted today: https://www.sportvokrug.ru/r/competition/7504/Список участников.pdf

A thread's been started: https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/t...-to-russian-novice-nationals-jan-19-22.87638/

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Rostelecom, the main sponsor for the federation, apparently pays them about $2 million a year if google's currency conversion is accurate.

 

Giltedge

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How far behind a jump (in time) need a moving element like an ina bauer or a spreadeagle be, in order not to be counted as an entrance transition, or discounted as unconnected to the jump that follows? Is this set out precisely in the judging rules or does it depend on each judge's perception? (and I suppose a similar question about the exit transition element). I hope I have asked this question clearly.
 
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Giltedge

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Step sequences often end with a transition into something like a spin, but you sometimes see the step sequence score posted what seems to be prematurely, in the sense that the score is posted, and then the skater does some interesting step movements, which are "too late" to be counted. This is my perception, at least. What is the rule or convention for judges to identify (the beginning and in particular) the end of the step sequence?
 
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Giltedge

Final Flight
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Championship of Moscow 19th-22nd January

Entries for Elder Girls

1 Maria Agaeva Megasport Krylatskoye 2008
2 Elizaveta Antonova Olympic No4 2008
3 Sofia Balashova Crystal Sambo-70 2008
4 Anna Becker Tchaikovskaia Sambo-70 2008
5 Sofya Vazhnova CSKA Zhuk 2008
6 Ulyana Vasilyeva Snow Leopards 2009
7 Ekaterina Vyrodova Kosino 2009
8 Maria Gordeeva CSKA Zhuk 2009
9 Alisa Dvoeglazova Crystal Sambo-70 2008
10 Polina Dzhumaniyazova Olympic Gory 2009
11 Veronika Zhilina Plushenko 2008
12 Anastasia Kazakova Bryce Sports Club 2009
13 Nika Kasyanov Olympic No4 2008
14 Camilla Kogay Sports School No10 2008
15 Sofia Kolbasenko Crystal Sambo-70 2009
16 Sofia Krokhina Crystal Sambo-70 2009
17 Alina Kulak Olympic No4 2008
18 Elizaveta Kulikova CSKA Zhuk 2008
19 Maria Mazur Crystal Sambo-70 2009
20 Evangeline Matveeva Megasport 2009
21 Zlata Murashova TSPF Kudryavtseva V. N. 2009
22 Maria Paramonova CSKA Zhuk 2008
23 Valeria Pasechnik Olympic Moskvich 2009
24 Olesya Permyakova Crystal Sambo-70 2009
25 Alisa Polyakova Snow Leopards 2009
26 Taisiya Proskuryakova Crystal Sambo-70 2008
27 Maria Rebrova CSKA Zhuk 2008
28 Lyubov Rubtsova Crystal Sambo-70 2009
29 Sofia Rud SK Megasport Krylatskoye 2008
30 Arina Ryabicheva Olympic No4 2009
31 Anna Safronova Olympic No4 2009
32 Marianna Sidorova Olympic Moskvich 2008
33 Maria Simonova CSKA Zhuk 2009
34 Dana Titova Plushenko 2009
35 Sofia Titova Plushenko 2009
36 Ulyana Torbenkova Olympic No4 2009
37 Ekaterina Fetisova Kosino 2009
38 Valeria Khodykina Tchaikovskaia Sambo-70 2009
39 Alisa Shatokhina Tchaikovskaia Sambo-70 2008
40 Daria Shirokova Kosino 2009
41 Sofia Shifrina Snow Leopards 2009

(not finalised, afaiaa)
 
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