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:otopic: A question bothers me for some time. Several teams have in-house choreographer, has there ever been a team with in-house composer?
 
Exceptionally no one at the moment. But somehow it felt a little bit like it could start again.
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Yes it can break out at any time

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:otopic: A question bothers me for some time. Several teams have in-house choreographer, has there ever been a team with in-house composer?

Good question. I think they should have in-house composers.
 
It's surprising to see that Anna is predicted as the one to lose her quads. I'm not sure I understand why - it's been measured several times that her 4Lzs are bigger than Sasha's, no? She does rotate quickly due to her very clean and near perfectly tight and straight air position, but that's just one component of her jumps, and a very important one. Jumpers like Sotskova and Tsurskaya had all the height and distance but were also notorious for under-rotations because they couldn't rotate quickly enough even with all the extra air time. Also, many falls have been the result of being off axis like on some of Kamila's 4Ts snd Rika's 3As. All jumps adequate height, distance, and rotation and air position. I don't understand why Anna's rotation is brought up like a negative when it's actually a positive, but even then her quads aren't smaller than the average ladies'? Smaller than Kamila and Sasha's 4Ts, but not smaller than Sasha's 4Lzs and Rika's 4S from the numbers I've seen.

Puberty can cause huge coordination problems depending on how much the skaters grow but I don't think we have reason to believe that Anna will grow much more than the other skaters. Both her parents are very slim as adults, as is her older sister, and they don't look that much taller than her (unlike Elena Radionova's dad, for example). She has grown a bit and is also already the tallest of all the quad and 3A jumpers and she's kept her quads so far. She can lose them in the future of course, but so can any of the other skaters.

Anna does has flat edge issues on some of her 4Lzs, but I don't think a flat edge has ever been known to cause jump problems during puberty.
 
It's surprising to see that Anna is predicted as the one to lose her quads. I'm not sure I understand why
Spring 2017 I predicted Anna would be the most likely one to maintain her quads, because: 1. she has the fastest rotation speed 2. she has the favorable natural body type 3. she has the strongest character, will and work ethic.

People predicting her to be the most likely one to lose her quads makes no sense at all. I imagine those are the same people who said she should stay in juniors because she wasn't ready for seniors in 19-20.
 
It's surprising to see that Anna is predicted as the one to lose her quads. I'm not sure I understand why - it's been measured several times that her 4Lzs are bigger than Sasha's, no? She does rotate quickly due to her very clean and near perfectly tight and straight air position, but that's just one component of her jumps, and a very important one. Jumpers like Sotskova and Tsurskaya had all the height and distance but were also notorious for under-rotations because they couldn't rotate quickly enough even with all the extra air time. Also, many falls have been the result of being off axis like on some of Kamila's 4Ts snd Rika's 3As. All jumps adequate height, distance, and rotation and air position. I don't understand why Anna's rotation is brought up like a negative when it's actually a positive, but even then her quads aren't smaller than the average ladies'? Smaller than Kamila and Sasha's 4Ts, but not smaller than Sasha's 4Lzs and Rika's 4S from the numbers I've seen.

Puberty can cause huge coordination problems depending on how much the skaters grow but I don't think we have reason to believe that Anna will grow much more than the other skaters. Both her parents are very slim as adults, as is her older sister, and they don't look that much taller than her (unlike Elena Radionova's dad, for example). She has grown a bit and is also already the tallest of all the quad and 3A jumpers and she's kept her quads so far. She can lose them in the future of course, but so can any of the other skaters.

Anna does has flat edge issues on some of her 4Lzs, but I don't think a flat edge has ever been known to cause jump problems during puberty.

This is an interesting topic that I’d like to comment on.

Anna is obviously extremely talented, has great height and air position, and has the ability to rotate very quickly in the air. But she very often pre-rotates her quad lutz and really wrenches her back and body to force herself to rotate four revolutions quickly enough. Tursynbaeva also did this going into her quad salchow, and she had a back injury that took her out for the majority of last season.

With all of these ladies doing quads, it’s a very exciting time in ladies skating! But the coaches and athletes need to make sure that what they are doing is safe and healthy for these skaters! I hope these girls can hang onto their quads through puberty, but we don’t really know what will happen, as we are yet to see skaters land quads that they learned at a young age consistently in competition through puberty (which makes sense because none of the girls with quads, other than Ando, have gone through puberty - Tursynbaeva and Tuktamysheva both learned the quads post-puberty).

Because were not really sure what exactly could happen with the quad girls during puberty, betting on a younger skater for the olympics May be smarter (according to some, not everyone), as the worry of “what happens when they grow” will not yet be necessary.

Please don’t hate on me! I’m not trying to be critical, I really hope Anna does well, but I worry for her and these other girls who are revolutionizing the sport!

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It's surprising to see that Anna is predicted as the one to lose her quads. I'm not sure I understand why - it's been measured several times that her 4Lzs are bigger than Sasha's, no? She does rotate quickly due to her very clean and near perfectly tight and straight air position, but that's just one component of her jumps, and a very important one. Jumpers like Sotskova and Tsurskaya had all the height and distance but were also notorious for under-rotations because they couldn't rotate quickly enough even with all the extra air time. Also, many falls have been the result of being off axis like on some of Kamila's 4Ts snd Rika's 3As. All jumps adequate height, distance, and rotation and air position. I don't understand why Anna's rotation is brought up like a negative when it's actually a positive, but even then her quads aren't smaller than the average ladies'? Smaller than Kamila and Sasha's 4Ts, but not smaller than Sasha's 4Lzs and Rika's 4S from the numbers I've seen.

Puberty can cause huge coordination problems depending on how much the skaters grow but I don't think we have reason to believe that Anna will grow much more than the other skaters. Both her parents are very slim as adults, as is her older sister, and they don't look that much taller than her (unlike Elena Radionova's dad, for example). She has grown a bit and is also already the tallest of all the quad and 3A jumpers and she's kept her quads so far. She can lose them in the future of course, but so can any of the other skaters.

Anna does has flat edge issues on some of her 4Lzs, but I don't think a flat edge has ever been known to cause jump problems during puberty.

This is an interesting topic that I’d like to comment on.

Anna is obviously extremely talented, has great height and air position, and has the ability to rotate very quickly in the air. But she very often pre-rotates her quad lutz and really wrenches her back and body to force herself to rotate four revolutions quickly enough. Tursynbaeva also did this going into her quad salchow, and she had a back injury that took her out for the majority of last season.

With all of these ladies doing quads, it’s a very exciting time in ladies skating! But the coaches and athletes need to make sure that what they are doing is safe and healthy for these skaters! I hope these girls can hang onto their quads through puberty, but we don’t really know what will happen, as we are yet to see skaters land quads that they learned at a young age consistently in competition through puberty (which makes sense because none of the girls with quads, other than Ando, have gone through puberty - Tursynbaeva and Tuktamysheva both learned the quads post-puberty).

Because were not really sure what exactly could happen with the quad girls during puberty, betting on a younger skater for the olympics May be smarter (according to some, not everyone), as the worry of “what happens when they grow” will not yet be necessary.

Please don’t hate on me! I’m not trying to be critical, I really hope Anna does well, but I worry for her and these other girls who are revolutionizing the sport!
 
The statement "X's going to lose his/her quads" is based on the lack of videos. For now we could see not so much videos and many skaters/coaches published zero videos exactly
 
:palmf: or :laugh2: - You can choose it. ;)

I'd choose the first one.
Any of the girls in Eteri's group have an insanely high work ethic and obviously it's totally imaginative to make such statements about Anna.
I remember how Eteri's sister came out to bash Alina when she was underperforming, saying she was too lazy to work. And in every single interview any of Eteri's other students have given, when asked about Alina they always said she was a role model for being the hardest worker and that when she couldn't get sth right in training she would do it 20 times over until she did.
And that's how they all are, otherwise they would not have their results and frankly I'm sure in that group anything less than that is tolerated for 1 day, on day 2 you'll be in trouble.
 
Both her parents are very slim as adults, as is her older sister, and they don't look that much taller than her (unlike Elena Radionova's dad, for example). She has grown a bit and is also already the tallest of all the quad and 3A jumpers and she's kept her quads so far. She can lose them in the future of course, but so can any of the other skaters.
They look average height, slim and sporty.
 
She (Anna) has grown a bit and is also already the tallest of all the quad and 3A jumpers and she's kept her quads so far. She can lose them in the future of course, but so can any of the other skaters.
In Graz at the end of January, Anna was definitely no taller than Sasha. Judging from the television pictures, Sasha was the tallest of the three. Nobody knows how it is today. However, nobody knows what the Quads of the two are currently doing.
 
:otopic: A question bothers me for some time. Several teams have in-house choreographer, has there ever been a team with in-house composer?

Do you mean someone who composes original music for skaters to perform to? It is hard for me to imagine that they could find someone who could churn out music that compares with the music that is readily available from the likes of Mozart and Tchaikovsky, or even of professionals who compose for movie scores.
 
i think she has tried a 4S before, but i believe she got a small injury (correct me if i'm wrong).

her 3A may be enough. we still have no idea how any quad girl's consistency will hold up in the next 2 years, who will get injured, who will lose their jumps due to puberty etc. look back on the discussion from a few pages ago on 2018 olympic predictions from fall 2016- they were very very wrong and that was even closer to that olympics than we are to the 2022 games. i think it's safe to assume based on history, what we think will happen most likely will not happen.

if Aliona keeps growing as an artist, keeps her consistency with her current jumps and stays uninjured, she may come out on top. you could say this about Alina too.

But betting on someone else losing their jumps and not getting a triple axel is extremely risky; she knows that Trusova has at least landed the triple axel with some level of consistency in practice to put it into a competition program, and now Shcherbakova wants to focus on gaining the triple axel. Shcherbakova was beating her in the FS with falls and under-rotations on her quads, the only reason Kostornaia still won gold at Europeans and the GPF was because of the triple axel SP advantage. Better to get to working on quads now while they are working on gaining the triple axel then gambling on them not getting the triple axel or losing their quads and end up falling behind and trying to catch-up during the Olympic season.
 
I'm watching all those Puma/Shiseidos stuff and fans tributes on YT and lord, Alina is a marketing dream come true. :drama:

Looks, sex-appeal, modesty, likeableness all mixed in one person, who also happens to be one of the most successful skaters of all time.
 
I think that the reason people think Anna is most likely to lose her quads is because of how she manages to get them around. She hunches over on the takeoff a lot, and really wrenches her arms. Her prerotation is quite excessive, and she has always been a bit of a flutzer. If she grows and becomes more womanly, which she will as she is only 16, she will need strength to get enough height to balance both her strength to weight ratio and her body proportions for the air position. Not saying it can't be done, but for someone who is much less pubescent like Sasha (and who has always been taller and will get taller and curvier as her mom) I guess at least Sasha has a real lutz, slightly less prerotation, and more strength. Anna is relying on having a small frame and being light, while Sasha is relying on her small frame and lightness as well, but also he incredible ability to use her muscle and be so athletic and just idk, jump. This isn't meant to be mean to Anna, and I'm not sure how to say it. But whenever people talk about Eteri's girls not having good or sustainable jump technique, maybe it's true of Sasha's quads especially seeing how petite she is now but that's about it. I mean she of course, like many others, uses a slight full blade on some of her toe jumps (which is worrying for when she grows) or a little too much prerotation, but she had correct edges and good takeoff and landing positions. Now one may say that she has more to grow than Anna and is already becoming inconsistent but something about it tells me that in the long run, Sasha's quads will outlive Anna's, even if neither really sustains itself.

This is just my opinion and take on things please be respectful, no harm or disrespect meant to anybody
 
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