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You'd think the bloodbath could be avoided in the time of COVID, but CoR said otherwise.
You'd think the bloodbath could be avoided in the time of COVID, but CoR said otherwise.
I guess they mean Maria Talalaykina skated "clean". And I loved her, she was great! Unfortunately, she had five URs and a much weaker tech layout, so no, she wasn't robbed of a medal.
You're exaggerating. Kromykh's free wasn't "atrocious". It wasn't her best but she didn't bomb either. Other skaters had better presentation but in the end it's about getting the most tech points and pcs in both segments and Maya did that.
It's not like anyone else was robbed of a medal or something.
Who skated clean here with better content than Maya?
I honestly haven't seen this coming. I thought her triples are not very high or energetic at all. Should've trusted Master Shayuki regarding young Russian talents though...Perhaps she's a talented jumper after all, who knew?
so maybe, just maybe, it would be better to open a new thread andincessantly whine about itdiscuss it there?
of course, this type of "corrupted system" exists only in Russia, right?
I’d say her URs were pretty obvious, and I do think Anna S. was scored favorably.I wonder how many of those URs would have been called if she was a Sambo70 skater.
To put it in perspective, Frolova got an edge call on the lutz in the short there (despite she has a good outside edge, learnt that from Panova), while Shcherbakova who is almost never on the outside did not!
Oh and how about we talk about the underrotations for Eteri skaters cause they had those too and nothing was called.
Technical panel double standards and guess who was in that panel?
Talalaykina. And someone said "well she URed" but there are some pretty obvious URs for the podium girls that weren't called, so it's not really fair to use that excuse.You're exaggerating. Kromykh's free wasn't "atrocious". It wasn't her best but she didn't bomb either. Other skaters had better presentation but in the end it's about getting the most tech points and pcs in both segments and Maya did that.
It's not like anyone else was robbed of a medal or something.
Who skated clean here with better content than Maya?
There are other coaches who have trained their skaters to quads and 3A's. Whether Dudakov could was never the question. He's an elite jump coach and almost everyone at Sambo competing internationally has ultra-si elements. What was interesting to many was that Aliona credited Rozanov with the 3A and Sasha wanted to learn the 4Lo but couldn't because Rozanov was away. So while Dudakov no doubt helped these girls, they found the instruction of Rozanov for these elements to be the most invaluable. It doesn't take away from Dudakov's work with them, it's just gives credit to Rozanov's.Sorry, but the only reason I had to mention Rozanov, is because it's been rehashed everywhere multiple times, that he's THE coach that got all quads and 3A in TT, the big loss for that team and so on. I don't disagree he's a talented coach, I'm sure he has a lot to offer to skaters and skating world, but the fact that people seemed to completely minimize Dudakov's work and input, making it look like a young coach with a 3-4 years of real coaching experience was teaching Dudakov how to teach jumps (and not the other way around), has rubbed me the wrong way the whole time. People have provided multiple examples, that first quads were taught prior to Rozanov even stepping foot there, but it did look like some were largely persuaded otherwise. So I felt like Dudakov FINALLY deserves some credit for at least Lyuba's 3A and can come out of the shadow of the "beauty king of Russia".
I do not see how spitballing about possible corruption is related to a skating thread. It's for discussion about skating/coaching whatever else, not "it's not Eteri's fault but the fault of a corrupted system".Because this is related to Russian Ladies in a domestic competition in Russia, we're discussing ladies performances and scores. There is no point opening new threads when THIS is the thread.
It really looks like Rostelecom GP will turn out to be a mini RusNats. Which is great! I expect a very tough competition.Anyway. How do we think the upcoming Russia cup and the senior GP will play out?
Just my guess but I think GP entry will provide nationals entry no matter the Russian Cup results - which would also explain Aliona having three competitions so close together.Will those attending the GP event(s) get a bye to Nationals like in previous seasons? Do we know yet?
I'm not so sure. It seems to me illogical that RusFed first says that qualifying to RusNats will only go through Russian Cup and that everyone have to participate in two Stages. And then also qualifying through GP Rostelecom?!?Just my guess but I think GP entry will provide nationals entry no matter the Russian Cup results - wehich would also explain Aliona having three competitions so close together.
Wait, you think Alyona will withdraw from her events?Just my guess but I think GP entry will provide nationals entry no matter the Russian Cup results - wehich would also explain Aliona having three competitions so close together.
Maybe, or that it wouldn't matter if she's not quite ready to compete because participating at Rostelecom would get her a nationals spot no matter how she performs.Wait, you think Alyona will withdraw from her events?
Eteri skaters were overscored, everyone agrees with that (even Anna). Some of that had to do with the Russian Cup bonus on highest scoring elements, but let's not pretend like any of the other ladies here are at the same level as Anna.I wonder how many of those URs would have been called if she was a Sambo70 skater.
To put it in perspective, Frolova got an edge call on the lutz in the short there (despite she has a good outside edge, learnt that from Panova), while Shcherbakova who is almost never on the outside did not!
Oh and how about we talk about the underrotations for Eteri skaters cause they had those too and nothing was called.
Technical panel double standards and guess who was in that panel?
Yes, as much as I LOVE Talalaykina, there is no way she could have been third with those URs, and with only a 6 triple program.Eteri skaters were overscored, everyone agrees with that (even Anna). Some of that had to do with the Russian Cup bonus on highest scoring elements, but let's not pretend like any of the other ladies here are at the same level as Anna.
But that wasn't the point... It's about comparing Kromykh and Talalaykina. Maya's technical content was stronger in both programs and that boosted her a lot. Her PCS are also higher, but I did some tests...
These are the actual scores they got:
KROMYKH
SP: (TES-36.52 + PCS-32.76) = 69.28
FS: (TES-61.02 + PCS-64.32)-2 = 123.34
Total: 192.62
TALALAYKINA
SP: (TES-31.63 + PCS-30.84) = 62.47
FS: (TES-56.88 + PCS-61.52) = 118.40
Total: 180.87
Now, for fun, I switched their PCS to see if the placements changed:
KROMYKH
SP: (TES-36.52 + PCS-30.84) = 67.36
FS: (TES-61.02 + PCS-61.52) = 122.54 - 2 = 120.54
Total = 187.90
TALALAYKINA
SP: (TES-31.63 + PCS-32.76) = 64.39
FS: (TES-56.88 + PCS-64.32) = 121.2
Total = 185.59
Conclusion: Even with the PCS advantage and with Maya's 2 falls deductions, it wouldn't have been enough for Talalaykina to beat Kromykh for the bronze medal.
No, I don't think she will necesarilly withdraw, just that if GP entry would be enough, the results from the RC stages would not matter so much.Wait, you think Alyona will withdraw from her events?