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I wonder how many of those URs would have been called if she was a Sambo70 skater.
To put it in perspective, Frolova got an edge call on the lutz in the short there (despite she has a good outside edge, learnt that from Panova), while Shcherbakova who is almost never on the outside did not!
Oh and how about we talk about the underrotations for Eteri skaters cause they had those too and nothing was called.
Technical panel double standards and guess who was in that panel?
2 falls
step-out on the 2a
the flying camel she lost balance in the entry, with international judging she'd have lost levels there.
the 3f-3t looks supsiciously under on the toe.
I honestly haven't seen this coming. I thought her triples are not very high or energetic at all. Should've trusted Master Shayuki regarding young Russian talents though...
so maybe, just maybe, it would be better to open a new thread andincessantly whine about itdiscuss it there?
of course, this type of "corrupted system" exists only in Russia, right?
Because this is related to Russian Ladies in a domestic competition in Russia, we're discussing ladies performances and scores. There is no point opening new threads when THIS is the thread.
On the second part, you're adding stuff up, i've never said it exists only in Russia but to me that is an issue in Russia yes.
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I’d say her URs were pretty obvious, and I do think Anna S. was scored favorably.I wonder how many of those URs would have been called if she was a Sambo70 skater.
To put it in perspective, Frolova got an edge call on the lutz in the short there (despite she has a good outside edge, learnt that from Panova), while Shcherbakova who is almost never on the outside did not!
Oh and how about we talk about the underrotations for Eteri skaters cause they had those too and nothing was called.
Technical panel double standards and guess who was in that panel?
however, Anna F. getting lutz edge calls is nothing new, and as much as I love her, her lutz was never a clear outside. Sometimes flat, sometimes an e, but a good(?) outside - not that I remember.
Tolstoj, I encourage you do some fact checking before going into another corruption talk. Same as you alleging Veronika scores dropping (although Sofia’s scores dropped even more), same as claiming some athlete wasn’t invited to Test Skates because of Eteri (although that athlete turned out to change flags), it’s the same situation all over again.
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Talalaykina. And someone said "well she URed" but there are some pretty obvious URs for the podium girls that weren't called, so it's not really fair to use that excuse.
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There are other coaches who have trained their skaters to quads and 3A's. Whether Dudakov could was never the question. He's an elite jump coach and almost everyone at Sambo competing internationally has ultra-si elements. What was interesting to many was that Aliona credited Rozanov with the 3A and Sasha wanted to learn the 4Lo but couldn't because Rozanov was away. So while Dudakov no doubt helped these girls, they found the instruction of Rozanov for these elements to be the most invaluable. It doesn't take away from Dudakov's work with them, it's just gives credit to Rozanov's.
(I have absolutely no problems with Dudakov, he seems like such a pleasant man. Always there to support the girls, never says a word against them. And the way he carries all the stuffed animals and tissue holders for them cracks me up.)
Anyways, the real excitement for me is the GP, Aliona having three competitions in a month seems awful. If a GP stage does count as a qualifier for nationals and she does well there, I expect she'll withdraw from the fifth stage?
Does anyone know how the Russian Cups will work if sports schools are closed? The events are mostly filled by girls who aren't on the national team, so how do they continue their training and competitions if Moscow has restrictions?
I do not see how spitballing about possible corruption is related to a skating thread. It's for discussion about skating/coaching whatever else, not "it's not Eteri's fault but the fault of a corrupted system".
I don't disagree btw that there is corruption in federations. I do disagree that constant reductive arguments with people repeatedly missing bits and pieces of information (part of which nussnacker showed to you) is helpful. I've seen threads about judging discrepancies in this forum. Open a new one up.
It really looks like Rostelecom GP will turn out to be a mini RusNats. Which is great! I expect a very tough competition.
The good thing is that the skaters can see it as a "dress rehearsal" before Nationals, and things that might not work out can be polished and re-worked.
It will be interesting to see Ryabova, Safonova and Urushadze in this tough competition. Can they beat anyone of the Russian girls?
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Will those attending the GP event(s) get a bye to Nationals like in previous seasons? Do we know yet?
Just my guess but I think GP entry will provide nationals entry no matter the Russian Cup results - which would also explain Aliona having three competitions so close together.
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GP Rostelecom equals to russian's nationals... so for that i'm happy.
This season GP who got the worst part is the russian ladies ... they are the best but because of "specials rules" we only will get one lady in the final .. but probably won't be final ( because will be ironic if you only put skaters of the country in the gp but in the final everything will be fine if they go ) ..
This season GP who got the worst part is the russian ladies ... they are the best but because of "specials rules" we only will get one lady in the final .. but probably won't be final ( because will be ironic if you only put skaters of the country in the gp but in the final everything will be fine if they go ) ..
I'm not so sure. It seems to me illogical that RusFed first says that qualifying to RusNats will only go through Russian Cup and that everyone have to participate in two Stages. And then also qualifying through GP Rostelecom?!?
It doesn't matter though. We all strongly suspect that those at the GP will qualify anyway...
But it will be a very hectic period with a LOT of competitions for Kostornaia...
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Wait, you think Alyona will withdraw from her events?
Maybe, or that it wouldn't matter if she's not quite ready to compete because participating at Rostelecom would get her a nationals spot no matter how she performs.
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Eteri skaters were overscored, everyone agrees with that (even Anna). Some of that had to do with the Russian Cup bonus on highest scoring elements, but let's not pretend like any of the other ladies here are at the same level as Anna.I wonder how many of those URs would have been called if she was a Sambo70 skater.
To put it in perspective, Frolova got an edge call on the lutz in the short there (despite she has a good outside edge, learnt that from Panova), while Shcherbakova who is almost never on the outside did not!
Oh and how about we talk about the underrotations for Eteri skaters cause they had those too and nothing was called.
Technical panel double standards and guess who was in that panel?
But that wasn't the point... It's about comparing Khromykh and Talalaykina. Maya's technical content was stronger in both programs and that boosted her a lot. Her PCS are also higher, but I did some tests...
These are the actual scores they got:
KHROMYKH
SP: (TES-36.52 + PCS-32.76) = 69.28
FS: (TES-61.02 + PCS-64.32)-2 = 123.34
Total: 192.62
TALALAYKINA
SP: (TES-31.63 + PCS-30.84) = 62.47
FS: (TES-56.88 + PCS-61.52) = 118.40
Total: 180.87
Now, for fun, I switched their PCS to see if the placements changed:
KHROMYKH
SP: (TES-36.52 + PCS-30.84) = 67.36
FS: (TES-61.02 + PCS-61.52) = 122.54 - 2 = 120.54
Total = 187.90
TALALAYKINA
SP: (TES-31.63 + PCS-32.76) = 64.39
FS: (TES-56.88 + PCS-64.32) = 121.2
Total = 185.59
Conclusion: Even with the PCS advantage and with Maya's 2 falls deductions, it wouldn't have been enough for Talalaykina to beat Khromykh for the bronze medal.
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Yes, as much as I LOVE Talalaykina, there is no way she could have been third with those URs, and with only a 6 triple program.
We mustn't forget that the judges also were kind of harsh with Khromykh. Her 4S attempt was downgraded to a 3S, which also meant that she had a 3F invalid at the end of the program because of the Zayak rule. She lost a HUGE amount of points because of that.
Edit: Come to think of it. That is bad strategy from the Eteri camp. Maybe they had a plan B but Maiia forgot about it? Fact remains, if she doesn't make the 4S she needs to change the rest of the program to avoid the Zayak rule. Maiia didn't do that. As it turned out she did two 3Lzs, 3S and 3Fs. I hope they learned the lesson.
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No, I don't think she will necesarilly withdraw, just that if GP entry would be enough, the results from the RC stages would not matter so much.
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