He stated he was injured. I am inclined to believe him.If reports are correct that Vincent is injured, and he knew about that injury before departing for Sweden, I am extremely disappointed, and I have a question: Was this disclosed to USFSA?
He could have withdrawn with no damage to his reputation, and there is a stable of other US men who could have qualified for the free skate. Disclaimer: I don't know if there is a deadline for subbing a skater out... but still. If nothing else, USFSA could have given the spot to one of the alternates and given him valuable experience, while being no worse off than they are now in terms of secured Olympic berths.
It was just like 2018, it was revealed afte the free skates that he was injured the week he left for the worlds. I was just wondering why the team insisted on a 5 quad layout if he had a recent injury and in the process of recovering.Congrats Nathan and Jason did really well. Stood on his feet for the quad! His SP is magical. And Vincent always seems to have some sort of injury.
If reports are correct that Vincent is injured, and he knew about that injury before departing for Sweden, I am extremely disappointed, and I have a question: Was this disclosed to USFSA? ...
It doesn't air until this afternoon in California but, I am so happy and proud of both of our Men. Even without Vincent, they kept our 3 spots and Nathan once again has set himself as the favorite for the OGM. Looks like he was brilliant this afternoon and proved that when he's on, he is unbeatable. What an event for our US skaters.Congrats Nathan and Jason did really well. Stood on his feet for the quad! His SP is magical. And Vincent always seems to have some sort of injury.
Wasn't that knee slide one of his level features i.e. difficult entry into a spin? So it actually shouldn't get counted towards his transitions component. And he got 4s and 5s in GOE for that spin, so I don't get the complaint. Some of the judges might've also counted it as part of his choreo sequence, and he received many 4s and 5s and a couple 3s for that (also personally I don't find knee slides particularly special, there was quite a trend 1-2 season ago with everyone and their mom doing one, albeit not as a spin entry).I thought Jason was ridiculously undermarked in PCS (as were others) but I don't have the energy to get into it. All I can say is how on earth do you give him an 8.5 in transitions when he does a literal twizzling knee slide across the ice into a perfect camel spin. Some of his GOEs were also stingy for the jumps he did land cleanly.
It would be really nice if you could appreciate Nathan’s well-deserved win here without feeling the need to diminish his teammate’s accomplishments by engaging in this kind of speculative “analysis.”Wasn't that knee slide one of his level features i.e. difficult entry into a spin? So it actually shouldn't get counted towards his transitions component. And he got 4s and 5s in GOE for that spin, so I don't get the complaint. Some of the judges might've also counted it as part of his choreo sequence, and he received many 4s and 5s and a couple 3s for that (also personally I don't find knee slides particularly special, there was quite a trend 1-2 season ago with everyone and their mom doing one, albeit not as a spin entry).
Also his Flutz never seems to get called and he would lose around 3 points if it did (so that's -6 points at this comp). His second 3A was UR but didn't get called either. Pretty sure that 'makes up' for any 'ridiculous PCS losses'...
It's the first LP performance of Nathan's I have really LOVED. For me, his short programs have always been better.Just like 2017, Nathan and Jason get the job done.
That FS has to the best I have ever seen Nathan skate, complete props. And Jason's SP is one of the best programs, period, I've ever seen; props to him and Rohene.
I realize we still have Nebelhorn, but I am sighing with relief.
I saw the potential in it the first few times I saw it. It's one of those pieces of music where everything has to be on in order for it to work. All the little mistakes in previous outings killed the mood he was trying to create.In fact, this is the first time I've loved this program. I thought it was flat every time I've seen it previously
Part of that might be this is the first sparkling clean outing... but I think part of it was the first time I've felt like HE felt it.
I was not diminishing Jason’s accomplishments, I was just reacting to a post that I disagreed with.It would be really nice if you could appreciate Nathan’s well-deserved win here without feeling the need to diminish his teammate’s accomplishments by engaging in this kind of speculative “analysis.”
Objectively, Jason’s marks in all categories (GOE, PCS, totals, etc) for both programs were well under his international personal bests, with the exception of SP PCS, which was slightly higher. He got lower GOE on most of his elements, including spins and footwork. A thoughtful analysis might look at some of his other performances and ask whether the lower GOE and PCS he received here was due to program construction, errors, his actual performance quality at this competition, or something outside of his control, like the judging panel. I haven’t done that analysis myself. But FWIW, both Mark Henretty and Jackie Wong felt that objectively and in comparison to the other men here, Jason deserved higher PCS.
Before this definitive one the first outing was my favorite version. Its beauty is in the flow and in the other outings he's been relatively tentative, slow and measured in the first half. This is the first time that I felt he really went all out from the beginning.I saw the potential in it the first few times I saw it. It's one of those pieces of music where everything has to be on in order for it to work. All the little mistakes in previous outings killed the mood he was trying to create.
I think he was able to feel it because he was in the zone with his jumps.
Thanks for confirming that you weren’t trying to disminish Jason’s accomplishments - much appreciated.I was not diminishing Jason’s accomplishments, I was just reacting to a post that I disagreed with.
I just think it’s dishonest to take a one-sided he-was-robbed view and only complain about the areas where Jason was underappreciated by the judges, without acknowledging that he realistically speaking also benefitted from the tech panel overlooking very obvious mistakes.
I would also love to know what’s so „speculative“ about my „analysis“?
That knee slide was clearly a level feature (if it wasn’t, I’d genuinely like to know what his 4th level was, because I didn’t see anything else) and again, we see knee slides regularly as part of step and choreo sequences.
It is also known that Jason has a Flutz and it was very obvious in both programs, the under-rotation was also pretty obvious (not all of them are, but this one was). It is also easy to calculate the potential points loss if these mistakes had been called, it’s basic math, nothing „speculative“ about it.
(I also find that it shows ppl’s bias when there’s constant complaints about eteri/russian girls ‚getting away‘ with wrong edges, but then it’s widely accepted that Jason has a Flutz but somehow most ppl seem to be ok with it never getting called. But that’s a different topic I guess)
And if anyone looked at the scoresheets, they would see that this judging panel was generally not overly generous with GOE, compared to other big competitions. Even skaters like Yuzu and Nathan didn’t get showered with 4s and 5s the way they oftentimes do whenever they skate well.
So it’s not like Jason was singled out and held down, so maybe before complaining about his low GOE, fans should look at the way these judges handed out GOE overall.