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2021-2022 Russian Men's Figure Skating
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Omg, is that from the Skating Skills gang? I will have to watch once I am off work
still love how he skates. 
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It was horrible seeing Dima so sad in the K&C. And from posts on the Russian forum it seems that Yagudin again made some nasty comments on TV. This is so uncalled for, everyone can have a disaster skate now and then. Dima really has it all, the artistry and the jumps. And when he puts it all together, he is sublime! Hopefully he can forget about today and show us some beautiful skating in tomorrow's FS!
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Yagudin's comments were usually OK this year before this competition. Idk. Thank goodness Eurosport bought the rights to show the remaining GPs.
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This is utterly unsurprisingly when you consider the comments Yagudin made directly to Dima's face at the Channel 1 Cup this year.
But yes, it was terrible to see him look so sad. We love you Dima! And tomorrow he will waltz
I really enjoyed Misha! I love the Nutcracker, it really suits him and he looks wonderful in his costume
Isnt Yagudin Dmitri's skating idol?
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we all know Yagudin is a giaiant Tim without an E, we all know Dima hasn't been at his best this year but there's no need to be rude no one of the russian (and many not russian too) boys did a good job today, but tomorrow is another day
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Cripes I hope not
But then again Jason Brown once idolised Yagudin so much he skated in a mini- Winter costume and we all know what Yagudin thinks of him.
Ahem, don't get me started on Yagudin and how he gets away with everything.
But @elektra blue is right! Tomorrow is another day!
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It's not just Yagudin. There have been yet more calls to take away the men's third spot and give it to the ladies (metaphorically speaking) since the men are useless anyway. I am just so sick of the bashing of the Russian men in the media. What do they expect? Kolyada isn't going to turn into Chen, Aliev has always had huge peaks and troughs, Samarin is Samarin, these guys have been around for a while and are not going to suddenly transform into different skaters. Gumennik is just not going to rotate those quads with any consistency at his current size, Danielian is in no shape to compete after his surgery and missed season, Ignatov and Semenenko did well for their level. There is Erokhov who's risen from the ashes but he has no GP spots and I am not sure how much awareness there is of his existence among the likes of Yagudin. With Mozalev there is also a question mark about his recovery from surgery, we'll see about Kondratiuk. Then there are those 17-18 year olds who are competing in juniors some of whom have done well. We'll see how it goes for them next season. You can't guit trip people into becoming the new Plushenko, you have to be born with that sort of temperament+physical ability.
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I've always wondered if Plushy could give courses in how to have nerves of steel? I guess you've got a point that it's something you're born with. I was pretty impressed at how Kirill Sarnovsky converted his nerves at Linz though!
The irony is...I think a lot of the problems Russian men have with consistency could well have it's roots in the way the media treat them along with the Fed itself. Artur Gachinsky could have been one of the most talented Russian men ever, but he received no support when he struggled and in the end when he retired the Head of the Fed couldn't think of a single kind word to say about him!
You can't treat your skaters like that and expect them to be their best. Some might be able to ignore it or perhaps be good enough to avoid nasty comments (but seeing as even Plushy got his share I'm not seeing how that's possible). Like you don't have to go full-on Ted Barton, but there's no need to be cruel.
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For sure. I'm not against constructive criticism, but unqualified negativity is just not useful at all. For most of the Russian men inconsistency seems to be more psychological than physical (barring the ones recovering from injury obviously); abusive rhetoric is not the way to treat mental blocks.
Also the media's tendency to compare boys to girls unfavourably, as though the fact that girls are outjumping them is something to be ashamed of, smacks of sexism towards both genders. It implies firstly that girls are naturally worse jumpers, and secondly that being beaten by girls is some sort of affront to masculinity. I don't think either assertion is true.
I agree the constant bashing of the Russian Men does more harm than help. The need support its as simple as that. I love Dimas skating style was fortunate to watch him live at Finlandia. I think both programmes he has this year are in my absolute top this season. His free program is to die for,the best of them all. Supporting winds blowing to Torino and Italy.
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This is probably for the better.
Meanwhile I'm rooting for Erokhov every day to continue writing his very own figure skating fairy-tale. Frankly, I don't think I've rooted for a guy so much since Artur Gachinski almost won Europeans in 2012 (since moose brought him up in her post above). Let's bring the blue shirt back on the international stage!
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Yagudin really liked the way Sarnovsky pulled himself together but the question remains how consistent he'll be once he adds quads. If he starts falling from them (which is highly likely at the beginning) Yagudin will probably turn on him too.
There is psychology but there is also biting off more than you can chew in terms of quads (more pressure to do that with increasing internal competition) and technique issues. If you have jumps like Mozalev for instance, there are other reasons for you to have problems with quads than nerves, if he is not in great shape he has trouble getting enough height on them. Several of the Russian men have had difficulty keeping their jumps together once they grew. If you are 180 cm+ it becomes hard to get yourself up in the air and rotate which is why guys of that size usually transfer to pairs. Ignatov deserves credit for managing reasonably well at 183 cm, although he has stamina issues.
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I can’t agree more with everything that has been said! Plus, imo, there is an unfortunate tendency to push them into seniors, then demand performance above their physical ceiling. Mozalev was gorgeous with one quad and stamina that allowed devotion to unusual and faithfully recreated choreography. That fateful day he said ‘seniors and 3 quads’… I rue that day. His strengths lay elsewhere. They are still there, except now he is injured and terrified by the look of it.
At any rate, they all perform at the bleeding edge of their ability, there is a pleiad of them, presenting programs to basically any taste. It’s an awesome field. Awesome. So, praise where praise is due. And, no, it’s not to the detriment of senior men that women and junior men perform admirably. It’s a separate good thing. Great thing!
Finally, I don’t know if Malinin or Kolesnikov will turn this around, but it seems that Russian-born men who started quads early and copiously have troubles mid-teens, as in Gogolev, Samsonov, Fedotov, Lukin… there are reasons for 17 yo women to be senior champions, but for men?
At any rate, they all perform at the bleeding edge of their ability, there is a pleiad of them, presenting programs to basically any taste. It’s an awesome field. Awesome. So, praise where praise is due. And, no, it’s not to the detriment of senior men that women and junior men perform admirably. It’s a separate good thing. Great thing!
Finally, I don’t know if Malinin or Kolesnikov will turn this around, but it seems that Russian-born men who started quads early and copiously have troubles mid-teens, as in Gogolev, Samsonov, Fedotov, Lukin… there are reasons for 17 yo women to be senior champions, but for men?
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Dima's comments after the FS sound so ominous. 
It reminds me of Test Skates where he also told Trankov that he didn't wanna talk about the reason for his withdrawal from Nebelhorn in public. Be alright, Dima!#DmitriAliev #GPItaly FS (146.60/217.67) "It was difficult physically and emotionally. I will not stop and will not give up. I don't believe what's happening to me, but don't want to talk about it in public. I'm grateful to my team who is supporting me."
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Yes please!Dima's comments after the FS sound so ominous.
It reminds me of Test Skates where he also told Trankov that he didn't wanna talk about the reason for his withdrawal from Nebelhorn in public. Be alright, Dima!
And, I guess, at this point, Kolyada is the only realistic candidate for the GPF, even with Hanyu’s WD, because Semenenko skates with Kolyada in Rostelecom.
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any of the russian boys can be foot perfect one day and a total disaster the next one, the younger guns are just a bit more consistent but i wouldn't hold my breath. i think we need to wait for Euros before we know the actual olympic team, but i also believe Kolyada is going to be there, the second spot should go to either Semenenko or Kondratyuk for the 3rd i hope they don't pull a Kovtun
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