No. She is my favourite actually…. But, that program doesn’t highlight her strengths
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That might be true in some cases. However, I've encountered skaters/coaches who actually adopt Rippon arms on certain jumps to improve their consistency. Rationale given varies from having the arms closer to the body (rotate faster), to correcting a tendency for the upper body to be lopsided (due to dropping one arm/shoulder in the conventional position - naturally, Tano wouldn't help in these cases). That last reason is what I mean by Rippon arms improving axis - not the position itself per se, but avoidance of habits that would otherwise be present. Ted Barton's also mentioned multiple times in commentary that it helps some skaters to feel straighter in the air.
Yes, I agree it's not so straightforward. Besides the caveat you mentioned (complexity of musculoskeletal system), I think variation between individuals (not just physical features such as limb proportions, but also mental factors e.g. nuances of the technique they were taught) might also be a factor in determining what arm position they find easier.
Not sure about the hypothesis that @Vilord suggested, but IIRC he has a physics backgrounds so I'd love to hear more. My hunch is that arms-to-chest generates more initial torque but less total change in angular momentum than arms-overhead. Talking about the straight diving-style Rippons of course, not the ones that are curved like a squashed ballet 5th, which probably have negligible physical (and certainly no aesthetic) benefit.
Side note: from Pilates/ballet experience, if your shoulders are less flexible, weird compensatory mechanisms can happen upon lifting arms (e.g. excessive spinal extension, shoulderblade hiking) which wouldn't be conducive to maintaining axis. Maybe Rippon arms are easier for flexible-shouldered people not just because they can easily enter the position, but also because they are specifically less susceptible to being pulled off-axis by it?
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Not really true. Something isn't difficult just because it's unfamiliar for them. That's like saying triple Lutz isn't difficult because the skater's used to doing them, and something like double Lutz is more unfamiliar to them, etc.
All what you're saying means is that they simply learned to do the jump in a more difficult manner. If it even is more difficult: If it makes the aerodynamics such that rotating becomes more difficult, then it should objectively indeed be more difficult. Then the other point is, "does it actually need to be more difficult to deserve bonus points?" I'm not sure if that's true, either.
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Well, that was heavily underrotated, and looked pretty chaotic in the air. It remains to be seen whether that can actually be consistent.
Actually a good one, I think.
On what point, and how?
It WAS NOT heavily underrotated, maybe q.
It's possible I didn't explain correctly, or I didn't understand what you said. The point I was trying to make, simply, is that some people literally learn to straighten their axis using the rippon variation. If they learn it like that, then no it's not difficult anymore.
If you are disagreeing with this point, then we do disagree. This was the context. The Brian Boitano post, maybe I shouldn't have replied to, since I'm not sure what they meant, and seems I did a bad job explaining anyway. Beyond that, I don't have anything to add.
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Yes, my opinion is that what a person learned or didn't learn does not affect the innate difficulty of something. For example, a skater can be practicing jumping all day and doing no practice on spins, that doesn't make the jumps innately less difficult than spins, and doesn't make them require less points than spins. Additionally, I also disagree on tailoring difficulty skater to skater, like "this skater finds spins difficult, we should increase the point value of spins for them", as an example.
Another point is, I don't really get where this tano or rippon problem even comes in. Jump GOE bullet points make no mention of it, unless "very good body position from take-off to landing" counts. Well, I for one consider Rippons to generally be a pleasant body position, whereas I've always disliked tanos. Nevertheless, I'm against judging the difficulty of things case by case via soul reading like "well this is difficult for this skater, but this is not difficult for this skater, " and by doing so tailoring the judging system skater by skater. I don't think that that can ever be fair and balanced.
But that's not the same as what I'm saying. I guess I read your post correctly before.
Some people cannot centre their jump correctly (usually because of muscling/other forms of weak take-offs which affects their ability - not to mention, a lot of the people with such technique have lower core strength than their competitors, and tend to enter jumps with lower speed, which both contribute to such weakness in-air). So they use rippon to centre correctly. You can view it as -1 + 1 = 0. This is the point I and @Flying Feijoa are trying to make.
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Anna always seems to plop down on her leg and then travel on her camel spin. I don't think anyone tells her about that flaw. I don't find it a pretty position. But anna will be fine. It looks like her leg injury was perhaps a rumor. Looks like all the girls are ready.
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