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sclloyd said:
On the other hand, would it be good marketing for the Russian Fed to say “yeah we have a six deep Olympic team that could sweep the podium and they aren’t even our best” ?

Though I find it unlikely Sofia would win. She’s a great skater but you can’t compare her programs to the refinement of the current seniors, at least IMO. She’ll grow into it and will get there as we saw the current seniors do I’m sure, but I don’t think she’s at that level yet. The reason we saw the junior successes of the 3A was because they had greater technical content than the seniors, but they’re all pretty on par with one another now.
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Anya won senior rusnats at 14 Sofia at 14 is better than Anna at 14. It can happen and the pressure will be immense on the top Russian ladies with SA laying in the weeds. But it's all a moot point because the top 3 Russian lady seniors will go to the Olympics.
flanker said:
BS degree from the Institute of Gossips and Prejudice.
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Exacticly!
 
Scott512 said:
Anya won senior rusnats at 14 Sofia at 14 is better than Anna at 14. It can happen and the pressure will be immense on the top Russian ladies with SA laying in the weeds.
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I agree that Akatieva is better technically then Shcherbakova at 14, but (and I believe the point that was being made) is that the talent 14 year old Shcherbakova was going up against at Senior Nationals, excluding Trusova, was not doing the quads/triple axels; Akatieva is going to be going up against skaters with pretty equal technical jumps. It would be more advantageous for Akatieva to acquire the quad flip and substitute out the quad salchow - the quad salchow is a low scoring jump even when well executed in terms of quads.

Out of curiosity, I pulled the BV from Shcherbakova's FS at Nationals, where she only did the quad lutz and quad flip once a piece, neither in combination and her BV is 81.88 - I subtracted out 1 spin to be equal elements vs. Akatieva's FS at JGP Poland, so Shcherbakova's FS BV less 1 spin I put at 78.68 vs. Akatieva's FS BV of 83.07 except Akatieva's FS had in a triple axel, a solo quad salchow and a quad toe repeated twice in combination one of which was back-loaded.

And if Shcherbakova is able to get back to 2020 Russian Nationals where she repeated the quad lutz in combination (and the Flip in combination would only be a half point less if she repeats that vs. the lutz - which I think will end up being her repeat as it seems to be her stronger quad now) her BV would be higher than Akatieva's doing less quads/triple axels.

So don't get me wrong, Akatieva is a strong competitor, she'll give the senior ladies a run for their money, but she's not exactly putting out anything that's not insurmountable by well-executed elements from Shcherbakova, who is the defending medalist from nationals last year with the least amount of quads/triple axels in her arsenal (though this is based off consideration that Shcherbakova gets her quad lutz back), especially if we anticipate some of the seniors having a PCS advantage over Akatieva.

JGP Poland FS Protocols
2021 Russian Nationals FS Protocols
2020 Russian Nationals FS Protocols


Scott512 said:
But it's all a moot point because the top 3 Russian lady seniors will go to the Olympics.
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Well my question on that front is how does junior podium placements at senior Nationals, potentially winning, affect the team selection? Are the top 2 age-eligible finishers guaranteed a spot on the team or does everything get tossed to the coaches council?
 
Scott512 said:
Anya won senior rusnats at 14 Sofia at 14 is better than Anna at 14. It can happen and the pressure will be immense on the top Russian ladies with SA laying in the weeds. But it's all a moot point because the top 3 Russian lady seniors will go to the Olympics.

Exacticly!
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Although Sofia’s senior competition as a junior is much better than Anna’s. Zagitova didn’t have the technical content and was on a pretty big low in the season. I think it was sort of surprising for everyone that after her Euro and Nats performances she won Worlds. Zhenya was having a rough year, and there wasn’t anyone else doing quads or the 3A except Sasha. I don’t remember if Liza had her 3A back at that point but her performances weren’t as competitive as they might be today. It’s not just that Sofia might be better for her age, but also that everyone is better. See Kamila, for example. On paper she should have won nationals last year but didn’t. And that was a great competition for the podium girls, with very minor errors all around.
 
sclloyd said:
Although Sofia’s senior competition as a junior is much better than Anna’s. Zagitova didn’t have the technical content and was on a pretty big low in the season. I think it was sort of surprising for everyone that after her Euro and Nats performances she won Worlds. Zhenya was having a rough year, and there wasn’t anyone else doing quads or the 3A except Sasha. I don’t remember if Liza had her 3A back at that point but her performances weren’t as competitive as they might be today. It’s not just that Sofia might be better for her age, but also that everyone is better. See Kamila, for example. On paper she should have won nationals last year but didn’t. And that was a great competition for the podium girls, with very minor errors all around.
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And we mustn't forget. With great technical content comes great risks. Trusova has proved that to us the last couple of seasons. It just doesn't always work out.
 
sclloyd said:
Although Sofia’s senior competition as a junior is much better than Anna’s. Zagitova didn’t have the technical content and was on a pretty big low in the season. I think it was sort of surprising for everyone that after her Euro and Nats performances she won Worlds. Zhenya was having a rough year, and there wasn’t anyone else doing quads or the 3A except Sasha. I don’t remember if Liza had her 3A back at that point but her performances weren’t as competitive as they might be today. It’s not just that Sofia might be better for her age, but also that everyone is better. See Kamila, for example. On paper she should have won nationals last year but didn’t. And that was a great competition for the podium girls, with very minor errors all around.
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Interesting point how everyone might be better I hope that's the case. Last year was the best nationals for ladies from any countries. But there wasn't the pressure and the spectacle of making the Olympic team the Olympic team at last year's nationals and I think that will cause pressurized mistakes this nationals. Is we shall see. And yes Sofia will be going up against a loaded field.
 
Amei said:
I agree that Akatieva is better technically then Shcherbakova at 14, but (and I believe the point that was being made) is that the talent 14 year old Shcherbakova was going up against at Senior Nationals, excluding Trusova, was not doing the quads/triple axels; Akatieva is going to be going up against skaters with pretty equal technical jumps. It would be more advantageous for Akatieva to acquire the quad flip and substitute out the quad salchow - the quad salchow is a low scoring jump even when well executed in terms of quads.

Out of curiosity, I pulled the BV from Shcherbakova's FS at Nationals, where she only did the quad lutz and quad flip once a piece, neither in combination and her BV is 81.88 - I subtracted out 1 spin to be equal elements vs. Akatieva's FS at JGP Poland, so Shcherbakova's FS BV less 1 spin I put at 78.68 vs. Akatieva's FS BV of 83.07 except Akatieva's FS had in a triple axel, a solo quad salchow and a quad toe repeated twice in combination one of which was back-loaded.

And if Shcherbakova is able to get back to 2020 Russian Nationals where she repeated the quad lutz in combination (and the Flip in combination would only be a half point less if she repeats that vs. the lutz - which I think will end up being her repeat as it seems to be her stronger quad now) her BV would be higher than Akatieva's doing less quads/triple axels.

So don't get me wrong, Akatieva is a strong competitor, she'll give the senior ladies a run for their money, but she's not exactly putting out anything that's not insurmountable by well-executed elements from Shcherbakova, who is the defending medalist from nationals last year with the least amount of quads/triple axels in her arsenal (though this is based off consideration that Shcherbakova gets her quad lutz back), especially if we anticipate some of the seniors having a PCS advantage over Akatieva.

JGP Poland FS Protocols
2021 Russian Nationals FS Protocols
2020 Russian Nationals FS Protocols




Well my question on that front is how does junior podium placements at senior Nationals, potentially winning, affect the team selection? Are the top 2 age-eligible finishers guaranteed a spot on the team or does everything get tossed to the coaches council?
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Thanks for the information. I think Anna will be back the last use is one money by nationals. She will have to be.

Yes SA will have her hands full but so will everybody else with everybody else! This will be nationals for the ages and if Sofiia wins then it's the top 3 seniors that will allegedly be named to the Olympic team and go to Europeans.

Sasha KV and Anna we're unbelievable at nationals last season.
 
PavelSky said:
I also liked Alena Krivonosova and Daria Sarymsakova last season, Alena from "Moskvich" school, Daria from "CSKA".
I hope we will see them soon.
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Those 3 were also my favorite novice skaters last season! Daria has moved to TT for this season she has already competed once and did really well got silver and now has a 3lz-3lo
Im hoping we see Alena soon too!

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Scott512 said:
Anya won senior rusnats at 14 Sofia at 14 is better than Anna at 14. It can happen and the pressure will be immense on the top Russian ladies with SA laying in the weeds. But it's all a moot point because the top 3 Russian lady seniors will go to the Olympics.
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Not in an Olympic year though. I don't think they'll let Sofia's PCS touch Anna's, Sasha's, Kamila's, etc.

I mean a watered down Anna scores 240+ internationally.
 
I know that some people are only following this thread so wanted to give you an update.

ISU decided that winners of all JGP stages will be invited to the JPG final, additionally there will be one wild card skater from Japan.

Therefore:
-Akatieva*
-Zhilina*
-Petrosian*
-LeVito
-Thorngren

Are in, Zinina and Muravieva have a chance for qualifying this weekend.

Scores will be taken under consideration only in change of withdrawals if there isn't enough competitors (min 6).
There is already a separate thread for all the discussions about the fairness of this etc., so let's not trash this thread.
 
Russian skaters will get an american visa in Tashkent 7 oct.

Speaking about getting a visa in another country RusFed meant Uzbekistan. :)

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Фигуристы сборной России, заявленные на этап Гран-при в США, должны получить визы этой страны 7 октября в Ташкенте, сообщил РИА Новости источник, знакомый с... РИА Новости Спорт, 05.10.2021
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PavelSky said:
Russian skaters will get an american visa in Tashkent 7 oct.

Speaking about getting a visa in another country RusFed meant Uzbekistan. :)

rsport.ria.ru

Источник: российские фигуристы должны получить визы США 7 октября

Фигуристы сборной России, заявленные на этап Гран-при в США, должны получить визы этой страны 7 октября в Ташкенте, сообщил РИА Новости источник, знакомый с... РИА Новости Спорт, 05.10.2021
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Maxim posted a picture of the skaters and their coaches eating lunch today. It seems like the ones there are Daria U, Daniil S, Artur D and B/K.
 
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