2022 JGP Egna/Neumarkt Free Dance

[theblade]

The Mrazeks are very talented - speed, flow, synchronicity, power. Wow. Still think they do a tad too many crosscuts in the free, though.

Former freestylers that really have successfully transitioned to dance.

 

[auser]

The Mrazeks are very talented - speed, flow, synchronicity, power. Wow. Still think they do a tad too many crosscuts in the free, though.

Former freestylers that really have successfully transitioned to dance.

Did Ted say he competed in JGP singles two years ago? Impressive transition to dance indeed.

 

[Andrea82]

Alternates for GPF

1st Sandrine GAUTHIER / Quentin THIEREN 20 points (second + fifth)
2nd Mariia PINCHUK / Mykyta POGORIELOV 20 points (third + fourth; 301.23 as total score)
3rd Vanessa PHAM / Jonathan ROGERS 20 points (third + fourth; 291.50 as total score)

 

[Andrea82]

Breakdown of Free Dance marks by judge

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M/M had the choreographic assisted jump invalidated. Hence the drop in TES compared to the live box. It is worth 3-3.5 points.
5 judges had M/M in the lead anyway
2 judges had L/Q in the lead (ITA and GBR) * GBR also had them leading in PCS
2 judges had N/M in the lead (USA and FRA)

 

[theblade]

Breakdown of Free Dance marks by judge

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M/M had the choreographic assisted jump invalidated. Hence the drop in TES compared to the live box.
5 judges had M/M in the lead anyway
2 judges had L/Q in the lead (ITA and GBR) * GBR also had them leading in PCS
2 judges had N/M in the lead (USA and FRA)

Wow, very interesting to see which judges from which countries awarded what they did.

 

[Wishie]

Does anyone of you guys know why the Mrazeks got 0 for their ChAJ? I'm not that educated in dance rules to tell...

 

[lariko]

I am a bit surprised at the number of falls in ID.

 

[Seven Sisters]

I am a bit surprised at the number of falls in ID.

It’s Junior dance, remember. They are teenagers who are still working to get the kinks out.

I love Junior dance though. It’s so diverse and the competitors often act like they are having the time of their lives. I’d like to see more of that in senior dance, actually.

 

[lariko]

It’s Junior dance, remember. They are teenagers who are still working to get the kinks out.

I love Junior dance though. It’s so diverse and the competitors often act like they are having the time of their lives. I’d like to see more of that in senior dance, actually.

I only watched junior so far

 

[lariko]

I thought the black ‘flag’ on the sleeve was really ruining the costume and looked untidy during the dance. I get the symbolism—who wouldn’t— but just like that piece of cloth it was too on the nose.

 

[4everchan]

Breakdown of Free Dance marks by judge

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M/M had the choreographic assisted jump invalidated. Hence the drop in TES compared to the live box. It is worth 3-3.5 points.
5 judges had M/M in the lead anyway
2 judges had L/Q in the lead (ITA and GBR) * GBR also had them leading in PCS
2 judges had N/M in the lead (USA and FRA)

and, as expected, the CAN judge didn't favour Can teams... and not surprised by the USA judge putting USA teams 1st and 4th in the FD...

 

[icetug]

Race to Grand Prix Final

			Points	Top position	Sum scores
1​	Katerina MRAZKOVA / Daniel MRAZEK	CZE	30​	1	349.26
2​	Nadiia BASHYNSKA / Peter BEAUMONT	CAN	30​	1	341.95
3​	Hannah LIM / Ye QUAN	KOR	28​	1	320.21
4​	Darya GRIMM / Michail SAVITSKIY	GER	28​	1	315.83
5​	Phebe BEKKER / James HERNANDEZ	GBR	26​	2	318.40
6​	Celina FRADJI / Jean-Hans FOURNEAUX	FRA	24​	2	304.77

I don't remember the JGP finalists coming from six different countries and six different skating schools. Believe this bodes well for the future of ice dancing.

 

[Andrea82]

I don't remember the JGP finalists coming from six different countries and six different skating schools. Believe this bodes well for the future of ice dancing.

indeed, never 6 different countries, not even when there were 8 finalists in early years.

 

[sisinka]

Does anyone of you guys know why the Mrazeks got 0 for their ChAJ? I'm not that educated in dance rules to tell...

Choreographic Assisted Jump Movement - only one rotation in each of three jumps is allowed. First Jump Movement had one and half rotation.

 

[Andrea82]

Choreographic Assisted Jump Movement - only one rotation in each of three jumps is allowed. First Jump Movement had one and half rotation.

The introduction of the Assisted Jump could have been managed better.
Before the summer, when the new rules were introduced, it was described as maximum 1 and 1/2 rotations. So some programs were choreographed in this way.
Then on 31 August, ISU released another communication changing to maximum to one rotation. However, some coaching teams didn't spot the change and they are now getting the element invalidated.
It happened to Harris/Chan at Nebelhorn too. They previously competed at Britannia International in late August and so the panel called it valid because the rule change was not out yet.
Mrazeks skated at Ostrava in the first days of September and the panel didn't invalidate the CAsJ (either because they didn't have time to read the new rule or because they understood it was impossible for M/M to change in two days).

 

[lariko]

The introduction of the Assisted Jump could have been managed better.
Before the summer, when the new rules were introduced, it was described as maximum 1 and 1/2 rotations. So some programs were choreographed in this way.
Then on 31 August, ISU released another communication changing to maximum to one rotation. However, some coaching teams didn't spot the change and they are now getting the element invalidated.
It happened to Harris/Chan at Nebelhorn too. They previously competed at Britannia International in late August and so the panel called it valid because the rule change was not out yet.
Mrazeks skated at Ostrava in the first days of September and the panel didn't invalidate the CAsJ (either because they didn't have time to read the new rule or because they understood it was impossible for M/M to change in two days).

Wow.

 

[Andrea82]

Actually, trying to put in chronological order all the versions ISU did of the same "Requirements for Technical Rules with ongoing validity, effective July 1st, 2022" document.

The document was released in April 2022. Then modified at the beginning of June. And then again on 31th August.

In April 2022 it was one and half rotation maximum.
In the current version it is one rotation maximum. Changes in the latest document are highlighted in red. The 1 rotation change is underlined. So I guess they changed it in June.

However, some coaches, choreographers and technical panels in early events clearly missed it. If the change was done in early June, the "blame" swings more towards them than ISU.

 

[sisinka]

The introduction of the Assisted Jump could have been managed better.
Before the summer, when the new rules were introduced, it was described as maximum 1 and 1/2 rotations. So some programs were choreographed in this way.
Then on 31 August, ISU released another communication changing to maximum to one rotation. However, some coaching teams didn't spot the change and they are now getting the element invalidated.

Thank you for information. It is very interesting.

Season 2022/23 oficially started July 1st. First competition Lake Placid Ice Dance International started in 28th July, JGP in Courchevel in August 25th, JGP in Ostrava in August 31st.

ISU decided to change rules when season already started. That is very uncomfortable situation for all teams.

It takes weeks / months to get programs ready for competition. It would be much more logical to finish and publish changes at least before July 1st to allow teams to adapt to new requirements.

 

[sisinka]

In April 2022 it was one and half rotation maximum.
In the current version it is one rotation maximum. Changes in the latest document are highlighted in red. The 1 rotation change is underlined. So I guess they changed it in June.

However, some coaches, choreographers and technical panels in early events clearly missed it. If the change was done in early June, the "blame" swings more towards them than ISU.

I also agree with you that change about one rotation is from June.

Junior Czech skaters had to show their programs at Test Skate in August. Both technical panel and judges evaluated programs, nothing wrong in protocols.

I believe that all technical specialists and judges (including those from Czech Republic and Italy) are warned about every change in rules. Why nobody from all those people pointed out about wrongly executed element?

USA has many couples and most of them are not a part of national team. But Czech Republic has 4 junior teams only, only one team is medaling at JGP circuit and 2 senior teams, only one team medaling at Challenger Series. It would definitely worth it to give them some feedback when rules are changed. To suppose that Matteo Zanni will take care about everything is nice, but he visibly can't be everywhere and do everything.

ChAJ cost Katerina & Daniel 3,5 points (base value + GOE), in their case it didn‘t change the result, they still won.
But for example at Junior Worlds 2022 – 3,5 points was the difference between third and sixth place. I am not sure that any couple would want to miss medal just because changes in requirements were overlooked.

 

[Andrea82]

I also agree with you that change about one rotation is from June.

Junior Czech skaters had to show their programs at Test Skate in August. Both technical panel and judges evaluated programs, nothing wrong in protocols.

I believe that all technical specialists and judges (including those from Czech Republic and Italy) are warned about every change in rules. Why nobody from all those people pointed out about wrongly executed element?

USA has many couples and most of them are not a part of national team. But Czech Republic has 4 junior teams only, only one team is medaling at JGP circuit and 2 senior teams, only one team medaling at Challenger Series. It would definitely worth it to give them some feedback when rules are changed. To suppose that Matteo Zanni will take care about everything is nice, but he visibly can't be everywhere and do everything.

Yes, it is interesting that none of the three people in the technical panel spotted it in Ostrava. One of the Ostrava technical specialist was also in the panel at Britannia International Cup when Harris/Chan did their 1 and half rotations ChAJ without any penalty. So she obviously didn't know and wasn't told either by the other controller or by the other specialist.

And as you correctly highlights, neither those at internal monitoring sessions knew.

Zanni is also an international technical specialist. So he should have known the rule modification also because of that.

Currently, technical specialists have to attend a seminar for re-appointment every two year. It used to be 48 months, reduced to 24 months after 2022 Congress because now they have also webinars other than in-person seminars.
I would suggest to ask to attend a webinar every year to be re-appointed. So it should be easier that they are up-to-date with every change....as long as they don't do the seminar in May and than a change is proposed in June