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After the first day of Rissian Junior Championship (i.e. short program) - top 8 skaters have 70+ score, only one fall among 18 skaters, zero 3+2 combinations, zero popped jumps, almost all 3+3 combos are in second half, couple of triple axel combos. If/when Russia will be unbanned again - probably ISU would need making up some new rules fast - else junior Gran Prix will become Russian again.
 
After the first day of Rissian Junior Championship (i.e. short program) - top 8 skaters have 70+ score, only one fall among 18 skaters, zero 3+2 combinations, zero popped jumps, almost all 3+3 combos are in second half, couple of triple axel combos. If/when Russia will be unbanned again - probably ISU would need making up some new rules fast - else junior Gran Prix will become Russian again.
The judges were quite strict with the jumps as well.
 
After the first day of Rissian Junior Championship (i.e. short program) - top 8 skaters have 70+ score, only one fall among 18 skaters, zero 3+2 combinations, zero popped jumps, almost all 3+3 combos are in second half, couple of triple axel combos. If/when Russia will be unbanned again - probably ISU would need making up some new rules fast - else junior Gran Prix will become Russian again.
It was a fantastic competition. I loved it so much!! I love a competition where the best skaters shine.
How many of these junior girls landed ultra c elements in the free skate?
I was clapping!
After the ultra c jumps, they skate the rest of the normal triples so well. The only way to differentiate is through these ultra c jumps.
I loved this competition.

Mao Shimada would for sure still be in the mix. Mao’s 3A is solid. I guess she keeps trying the 4T, in case Russia does come back, she will need it.
 
It was a fantastic competition. I loved it so much!! I love a competition where the best skaters shine.
How many of these junior girls landed ultra c elements in the free skate?
I was clapping!
After the ultra c jumps, they skate the rest of the normal triples so well. The only way to differentiate is through these ultra c jumps.
I loved this competition.

Mao Shimada would for sure still be in the mix. Mao’s 3A is solid. I guess she keeps trying the 4T, in case Russia does come back, she will need it.
Yes it was an awesome competition. Every year I am so impressed by the Russian juniors. The competition is soo tough just to get to Junior Nats.

A total of 20 women (Sr+Jr) have scored over 200 points at the stages/nationals, compared to only 11 women on the global SB list.
 
These girls growing up with Eteri are enjoying an unprecedented head-start in every which way


Beautiful arms. Need refinement like everything else in her skating, but still at unteachable level.
There is just combo of arms/hands/wrists physical shape, it's flexibility and innate coordination that makes a skater beautiful waist-up at every moment. Some have it, some not and you can't do much about it.
 
Beautiful arms. Need refinement like everything else in her skating, but still at unteachable level.
There is just combo of arms/hands/wrists physical shape, it's flexibility and innate coordination that makes a skater beautiful waist-up at every moment. Some have it, some not and you can't do much about it.
Of course but shes only 11! I checked replays from all our best girls at 11 and none of them skated like that. Granted they didnt have Eteri at that age, which is why I dont suggest she is better than them, but just that she has a head start; still incredible!
 
The judges were quite strict with the jumps as well.
Yes but inconsistently so. Kosty got gifts.

It was a fantastic competition. I loved it so much!! I love a competition where the best skaters shine.
How many of these junior girls landed ultra c elements in the free skate?
I was clapping!
After the ultra c jumps, they skate the rest of the normal triples so well. The only way to differentiate is through these ultra c jumps.
I loved this competition.

Mao Shimada would for sure still be in the mix. Mao’s 3A is solid. I guess she keeps trying the 4T, in case Russia does come back, she will need it.
TBH the ultra-c total this year wasn't that high. The FS wasnt as high quality as the SP. We have like 3 ultra-c girls at least who are on injury or sickness (Lydia, Lera and Rita off the top of my head).

Dzepka sort of saved the event with a somewhat unexpected lights-out FS to compensate for a couple failures we saw.

Yes. I’m glad they were strict. I thought the judging was quite fair. Usually I detect bias judging from. Not at this event.
Kosty seemed to get quite a bonus in the SP at least. Overall Russian judging is quite acceptable though, contrary to popular belief.

After the first day of Rissian Junior Championship (i.e. short program) - top 8 skaters have 70+ score, only one fall among 18 skaters, zero 3+2 combinations, zero popped jumps, almost all 3+3 combos are in second half, couple of triple axel combos. If/when Russia will be unbanned again - probably ISU would need making up some new rules fast - else junior Gran Prix will become Russian again.
Senior ladies would probably be Russian as well. The scores are still very high despite a weak nationals. Sadkova & Adeliia at least for sure would podium, maybe a chance Russia could drop bronze to someone like Kaori but we'll see at RGPF next week considering Muravieva recovered the 3A.

Juniors is basically guaranteed to be Russian, and if you check the novice championships thats not changing any time soon. If even 10% of our non-seniors keep their skill to senior competition, all solo-female disciplines are completely vaulted.
 
Just ran some numbers on the average scores from our top girl's best season over the last few years to prove a point in an interaction. Maybe some people would find the results interesting:

Valieva: 260 (This is Olympic season, including her DQ scores and her team event score but also including her meltdown score)

Her 2nd best not including that is 245 (2020/21)

Shcherbakova: 245 (2020/21)

Petrosian: 244 (2022/23)

Kosornaia: 243 (2019/20)

Akateva: 238 (2022/23)

Trusova: 237 (2021/22)

Muravieva: 235 (2022/23)

Bazyluk: 232 (2023/24)

Medvedeva: 231 (2017/18)

Usacheva: 230 (2020/21)

Zagitova: 224 (2017/18)

Zhilina: 224 (2022/23)

Dvoeglazova: 224 (2023/24)

Sinitsyna: 218 (2023/24)

In case someone says Petrosian didn't skate enough in that season to get a fair average, over the last two seasons combined she has 243 (2022-24).

Shcherbakova's best two seasons combined is 241 (2020-22)

Valieva's is 253 (2020-22)

Not including her DQ season, Valieva's best two season average is at 244 (2021-23).

So for fun the top 3 in history for a 2 season average are:

Kamila: 253 (2020-22) / 244 (2021-23)

Petrosian: 243 (2022-24)

Shcherbakova: 241 (2020-22)

The rest were not even close for it to be worth the time calculating (including Kostornaia). Their 2nd best season is way worse than their best.

So these 3 are ultimately the top 3 skaters Russia has seen, in my opinion.

Alright everyone time to update this since the season is finished, thankfully it will be easy for me since nobody really did that well except Adeliia.

Gorbacheva actually had a career-best season despite a lot of falls. She had 223 average you can see in the above quote where that puts her historically.

Sadkova had her best season despite it not being very good she averaged 220.

Gushchina only averaged 210 I think we all agree she is underscored though.

Frolova actually had her best season it looks like with a 221 average.

Now to the fun part...

Adeliia had a career best with a 249 average despite literally just not performing 10 points of her FS at GPF. This puts her 2nd in history after Valieva's DQ season. If we dont allow Valieva's season Petrosian is now #1 (wheres as she was still #2 before by 1 point), with 2nd place being tied between Shcherbakova and Valieva at 245.

So:

1. Valieva DQ 260 (21/22)
2. Petrosian 249 (24/25)
3. Valieva/Shcherbakova 245 (20/21, 20/21)

For 2-season average Valieva's is 253 including DQ and 244 not including, while Shcherbakova is 241.

So:

1. Valieva DQ 253 (20-22)
2. Petrosian 247 (23-25)
3. Valieva 244 (20/21 + 22/23)

3-season average:
1. Valieva DQ 250 (20-23)
2. Petrosian 245 (22-25)
2. Valieva 238 (20/21 +22-24)

Senior career average:

1. Petrosian 245
2. Valieva DQ 244
3. Valieva/Shcherbakova 238

What we learned:

Valieva is still really that good, easily the best of all time. I actually cannot believe she averaged 260. That is preposterous. I also cannot believe how close Adeliia could've been to that.

Petrosian is a clear second, if last year there was still debate about her versus Shcherbakova I think it is now finished (this is not speaking about "greatness", whatever that means, but just general skill. Accolades do not matter for this statement.) That being said, Adeliia is now the most consistent quadster in senior history.

Petrosian is closing in on Valieva, she is closer to Valieva (1st place) than she is to Shcherbakova (3rd place); if she had a good GPF it would be neck/neck however she bombed it (for her standard) so for now Valieva is still quite clear.

Overall Valieva, Adeliia and Shcherbakova have distinguished themselves among all ladies skaters in history. Kostornaia is on their heel for a 1-season average, but if you then start going even deeper into the 2, 3 and general career averages, the schism between these 3 and everyone else is gargantuan.
 
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