Out of curiosity, if those things you state about Wakaba's low PCS are correct, don't you think her and her coach would get together with the choreographers and fix them after 10 years or so? Or are you saying she just lacks the ability?
2025 World Championships Women's Short Program
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Technical panel fell asleep after Samodelkina. I have no other explanation.
If we rescore Liu to include that clear underrotation on the 3T that wasn't called. then it puts her down to about 72 (massive GOE on non-jump elements probably needs to be looked at as well). PCS should be a couple points lower so down to 70 maybe 71 which is about right.
If we rescore Levito to include the clear q on the lutz (at a minimum) and clear underrotation on the 3T, knock a point off that massive PCS (not sure a slow skater deserves it), she's down to 69 close to 68.
Wakaba probably needs another point added for PCS so at about 73, keep Mone at 73. Of course this is ignoring 4's and even 5's Liu and Levito were getting on spins and the step sequence.
The two Japanese women should be going into the free skate with healthy leads over the Americans, but instead fighting a deficit. They're fighting a 5-6 point net difference in what their score and the score of their American rivals should have been. This has enormous implications for the overall result given everyone maxes out at about 130-140 for their free skate score, so those 5-6 points will be so valuable in the overall result.
Given everyone is fairly even for technical content (apart from Glenn but she's never been an athlete who can handle pressure), the two Japanese will have to be perfect to overcome the inherent off-ice advantage Liu and Levito possess. It's not like anyone can pull a big quad or triple axel (except Glenn) out of the bag to pull an upset. The Japanese will have to grind their way to victory with perfection, then hope Liu and Levito have about 6-7 cheated landings in their programs (because the tech panel will only pick up on 1-2 of them).
If we rescore Levito to include the clear q on the lutz (at a minimum) and clear underrotation on the 3T, knock a point off that massive PCS (not sure a slow skater deserves it), she's down to 69 close to 68.
Wakaba probably needs another point added for PCS so at about 73, keep Mone at 73. Of course this is ignoring 4's and even 5's Liu and Levito were getting on spins and the step sequence.
The two Japanese women should be going into the free skate with healthy leads over the Americans, but instead fighting a deficit. They're fighting a 5-6 point net difference in what their score and the score of their American rivals should have been. This has enormous implications for the overall result given everyone maxes out at about 130-140 for their free skate score, so those 5-6 points will be so valuable in the overall result.
Given everyone is fairly even for technical content (apart from Glenn but she's never been an athlete who can handle pressure), the two Japanese will have to be perfect to overcome the inherent off-ice advantage Liu and Levito possess. It's not like anyone can pull a big quad or triple axel (except Glenn) out of the bag to pull an upset. The Japanese will have to grind their way to victory with perfection, then hope Liu and Levito have about 6-7 cheated landings in their programs (because the tech panel will only pick up on 1-2 of them).
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i thought Glenn looked very tense in the warm up (very understandable) and so could not watch her performance live. Gutted for her and hope she has a good skate in the free.
She's always been an athlete who can't handle pressure and expectation, but maybe now over the next couple of days she just loses all hope and decides to go out there to enjoy the moment in the free skate. Maybe it completely takes the pressure off her and she has the skate of her life.
She's been scoring mid 140's this season in the free skate. Liu and Levito were very laboured with their jumps they are probably maxing out in the mid 130's. Victory is very much possible.
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Sadly, technical panel also decided the score based on "performance quality"..
Well said. I thought Liu would be more dangerous than Glenn just because of what you said She rarely falls, but under rotates all over the place. If they don't call them, but instead call her clean with grossly exaggerated GOE snd PCS on top of it, she will be hard to catch.
Just watched top 4 again- what a showdown, and how great is the Boston crowd!!! I was in Montreal last year and I'm super jealous of those of you who are there... So:
- Wakaba's step sequence is the bomb! StSq4 5.52 compared to Alyssa's (lovely yet very slow) 5.29 is not right
- Wakaba's spins are not great, and her Composition suffers due to "simpler" transitions, but her Skating Skills should give her bigger cushion
- Love Alyssa's huge jumps (how awesome was that lutz!), assuredness, and joy. So electrifying.
- Mone's skating/ program is so refined, very Mie Hamada. I do think her lack of power should be reflected on SS a bit more.
- Isabeau's mental toughness is amazing, and her packaging is so right. What gorgeous spins and transitions. Her skating is awkward throughout though.
I would've had Wakaba 1st, Alyssa 2nd, Mone 3rd and Isabeau 4th.
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We miss you and are glad you are enjoying yourself. But it must feel really strange watching someone else drive the Zamboni
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This is why I have never enjoyed watching her compete. I could watch her practice all day long, but I just can't with her in a tense competition. Some people are just wired differently for sport. Amber has been open about seeing a sports psychologist for years, and it just doesn't seem to help when it comes to the BIG game. To me she looked terrified in warm up and when she was taking her position. I decided to go to the kitchen and heat something up instead of watching her, so when I came back and was reading the comments it didn't surprise me how she skated. It must suck for her to be wired to be a nervous skater. Not everyone can be Alysa Liu who just skates without a care in the world. Hopefully Amber won't be feeling any pressure Friday and just skates lights out with nothing to lose. The US will get their 3 spots (barring total disasters from Alysa and Isabeau) so there's really nothing she should feel pressure about. And anything can happen, like last year when that guy went from 17th to 3rd.
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I just watched the outright favoritism towards the American skaters and it is unbelievable.
Alyssa and Amber clearly underrotated or quartered on their triple toes and got off scott free. Mone had a solid looking triple toe and ended up with an underrotation? I think Amber's 3A landed forwards which makes it << .
This is very bad and the panel should be reprimanded. I wonder if the coaches should file a complaint. Mone and Wakabe were also undermarked for their Step sequence.
DOnt get me wrong, I loved Alyssa's program but she should be in second or third.
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Alysa scored 67.09 only 1 month ago at 4CC where her 3toe was rightly called with a < and -GOE and her season average has been 67-69 points, but now her score has magically increased by nearly 7.5 points for the same level of skate.
Isabeau scored 68.43 at Skate America where her 3toe was rightly called with a < and -GOE, but now her score has magically increased by 5 points for the same level of skate after she’s been absent for the majority of the season.
Mone Chiba’s SP seasons best is 71.69, but she only manages 73.44 with a q call on her 3toe in combination here while Liu and Levito’s 3toe in combination received no calls, even though it’s clear to any honest person that their jumps were cheated.
Wakaba Higuchi goes clean and has no technical calls on any of her jumps here, but is currently sitting in 4th with a 72.10. The judging panel really did her dirty; not necessarily in her scoring, but definitely in her ranking.
It’s not even that I disagree with the scores that Mone and Wakaba received, but by comparison, Alysa’s and Isabeau’s scores should be lower than them. I would also have Schizas above both Levito and Sakamoto.
My ranking:
1. Chiba 73.5
2. Higuchi 73
3. Liu 71
4. Schizas 69
5. Levito 68.5
6. Sakamoto 68
It’s quite concerning to see US Nationals inflation happen at a World Championships. I want to take a fire hose and drench the judging panel in water to wake them up and wash away the disgusting stench of corruption. If you’re going to inflate the scores of 1 nation, then you need to do it for all nations. This is infuriating and I really worry now that this trend is going to creep into the other disciplines here.
Isabeau scored 68.43 at Skate America where her 3toe was rightly called with a < and -GOE, but now her score has magically increased by 5 points for the same level of skate after she’s been absent for the majority of the season.
Mone Chiba’s SP seasons best is 71.69, but she only manages 73.44 with a q call on her 3toe in combination here while Liu and Levito’s 3toe in combination received no calls, even though it’s clear to any honest person that their jumps were cheated.
Wakaba Higuchi goes clean and has no technical calls on any of her jumps here, but is currently sitting in 4th with a 72.10. The judging panel really did her dirty; not necessarily in her scoring, but definitely in her ranking.
It’s not even that I disagree with the scores that Mone and Wakaba received, but by comparison, Alysa’s and Isabeau’s scores should be lower than them. I would also have Schizas above both Levito and Sakamoto.
My ranking:
1. Chiba 73.5
2. Higuchi 73
3. Liu 71
4. Schizas 69
5. Levito 68.5
6. Sakamoto 68
It’s quite concerning to see US Nationals inflation happen at a World Championships. I want to take a fire hose and drench the judging panel in water to wake them up and wash away the disgusting stench of corruption. If you’re going to inflate the scores of 1 nation, then you need to do it for all nations. This is infuriating and I really worry now that this trend is going to creep into the other disciplines here.
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Kirsten Moore-Towers, former Canadian Pairs champion (with Dylan Moscovich), 2011.
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This is a very fair assessment I think, I guess being home town skaters always works in favour of the hosts. But that should only be for the component scores, the technical stuff is so blatantly incorrect even to untrained eyes....
Technical Specialist is Konstantin Kostin, Latvian skater I think training people in the States now?
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Can we please stop with the whining and crying now? All the top ladies are within a couple of points of each other except for Amber Glenn for whom it's triple axel or nothing. Whoever wins the long program wins the championship. All this blah blah blah about somebody did or did not receive a q -- this gets tiresome after 62 pages.
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She has no way to qualify for the Olympics?
Alysa also got hammered for her layback spin scored at level 2 and her step sequence was level 3 at 4CC.
The judges and tech panel had a bad day and it's completely flipped the results upside down. They have one job to do and they can't do it. This might have been the worst tech panel all season. It was totally shambolic and calls into question their motivations. In any other sport there would be an investigation into the integrity of the officials.
It's a net 5-6 point turnaround for the two Japanese women. If two Japanese miss out on a medal or win by less than 5 points then the tech panel and judges will have denied them medals they deserved. It's not like someone with multiple quads is going to perform and take the result out of the judges hands, the distribution of medals will come down to the bias of the judges.
They've set it up well the judges. Liu is skating last. If Levito does enough for the win, then they can suddenly start calling all the underrotations on Liu (since they would rather have Levito win). If Levito (or Glenn) fail, then Liu is there as a backup. The scores can be adjusted accordingly.
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What utter nonsense.
In every athletic contest in any sport there are dozens of calls by officials. At every call or non-call, half the stadium erupts with cheers, the other half with groans. What is discouraging is when the audience leaves the venue cursing the referees rather than praising the performances of the athletes.
The abuse of the word "obvious" is especially peculiar. This jump was "obviously" (in modern Internet lingo, "literally"
) 180 degrees under-rotated. No it wasn't. If the under-rotation were "obvious" there would be no need to rush apoplectic to the Internet to rant about how obvious it was or to present arguments about the level of obviousness.Similar threads
