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this womens event is exactly what the sport needed after the implosion of 2022. this was healing. and i'm so, so happy for all these competitors, favorite olympics i've ever watched.
I don’t know about that. The watching was fine. The horrible things being said about the US women (and possibly other countries as well - my feed is pretty US centric) are making me ill. I’m very ready for these every 4 year fans to go away and let our sport be a niche sport again.
 
Truly it is not that much of an issue, because Alysa also got loads and loads of love. All visible figures get some online hate, hers is really not that big of a deal.

It is more worrying to me if some stage parents start behaving like hers. She herself seems to be a wonderful person, but some of the comments that were (purportedly) made by her father don't really paint him in a good light.
 
I don’t know about that. The watching was fine. The horrible things being said about the US women (and possibly other countries as well - my feed is pretty US centric) are making me ill. I’m very ready for these every 4 year fans to go away and let our sport be a niche sport again.

If I can lift your sprits a bit, I heard inklings about the hatred (esp towards Amber after her short program), but now my feed is overwhelmingly positive - most accounts are celebrating Alysa's comeback story and positive outlook. Especially me being Asian Australian, I've seen many many Asian diaspora accounts really celebrating Alysa's win (and her attitude which is also breaking the mould of stereotypical Asian diaspora's daughter).

I did see a bit of disgusting, sexualizing comments about the women's medal winners (yes, including towards 17 year old Ami) - but in my feed those comments are being called out and reprimanded.

Unfortunately there'll always be some haters & disgusting creeps, but this is actually the most positive general media atmosphere I've ever seen after the Olympics 😊
 
If I can lift your sprits a bit, I heard inklings about the hatred (esp towards Amber after her short program), but now my feed is overwhelmingly positive -
I completely agree, especially about Amber. In spite of everything, self-doubts, performance anxiety, etc., she has persevered to skate her way into everyone's heart. (Well, not everyone everyone, but still...)
 
Of course she made an effort, but that has nothing to do with the fact that quite a few of her lutzes after 2021 were no better than how she did it previously, yet she stopped being judged as harshly on it.


Jumps with equal or better overall quality than Kaori's have received a bigger penalty for the 'e'. People like Keegan Messing do a big, clean 3Flip and have been given -3's from judges just because of the call.

In terms of how things "should" be scored, if Brian Joubert were competing these days, that 3Flip of his would deserve lots of +GOE, regardless of the 'e' call. It was the best Flip jump ever, aside from being on an outside takeoff edge. No pre-rotation, massive amplitude, explosive off the ice, great body position, fully rotated way before landing, and swish landings.

Edge and < calls should have nothing to do with GOE in the first place, they should simply be a base value reduction. GOE is supposed to be about the qualities of the jump itself; it becomes impossible to give an accurate GOE grade if you are slotting external factors like this into the GOE. Like for example if you're supposed to give 2 less GOE to an 'e' jump and someone steps out of the jump, now you're already down to the maximum -5 GOE possible. So when someone does an actual -5 GOE quality jump (step out and hands down), they are now receiving the same score as the person who had less of a landing mistake.

I disagree. She changed her entry into it and focused more on holding her outside edge leading into it. Doesn't always work but I wouldn't say her lutzes are no better. And no matter what you think, the judges agree. The fact that she's Japanese #1 may have worked in her favour sometimes in not getting called on it, but I don't think the judges stopped altogether. Even though YOU think she deserves "e" is besides the point (especially since you're not an ISU judge/tech specialist, so your opinion doesn't hold any weight in that regard) - the fact that she's continually getting her lutz reviewed and frequently getting hit with a ! means that tech callers are still scrutinizing it and not simply giving her a pass because she's the Japanese #1.

I agree that an edge call/< plus GOE reduction is unfortunately a double whammy on the skater... but GOE is grade of execution, so it makes sense that a flawed takeoff and/or flawed landing would ultimately decrease the grade of execution.

Based on your assertion that edge and < calls "should have nothing to do with GOE", according to that "logic" do you really think that a 3Z(e)< jump with an underrotation and an "e" flutz should still be allowed to receive +5 GOE? 🤔
 
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All the usual strawmans. Yawn. I never said all of her lutzes deserve 'e'. Funny how you ignore other people being scored worse for same/better quality jumps.

She changed her entry into it and focused more on holding her outside edge leading into it.
A blatant lie. She used to try and hold the outside edge longer, with a classic lutz entry on a long glide, trying to sit on the outside edge. She now does a shorter entry.

do you really think that a 3Z(e)< jump should still be allowed to receive +5 GOE?
Yes, it's no different than a 2Toe deserving +5 GOE if someone actually tried and succeeded in jumping it like that. Nobody tries to do that though, except for one time when Jeremy Ten specifically planned a single-rotation jump with the intent to receive maximum GOE on it, and did eventually get it.

+5 GOE 3Lz(e)< would be incredibly hard to execute, as it would require purposefully landing between forward and sideways, breaking out of the rotation high above the ice specifically at that amount of rotation, landing with great flow and having great body position throughout, while doing a huge jump with lack of pre-rotation.

especially since you're not an ISU judge/tech specialist, so your opinion doesn't hold any weight in that regard
Being an "ISU" judge is meaningless. It has nothing to do with merit, only a federation happening to submit someone. Considering that I passed all the training, with a top score, and have created rules that were implemented by the ISU and am continually in conversation with ISU committees about rule proposals and things to add to judge training, I am far more qualified than most sitting judges. Your opinion holds zero weight if trying to use this metric, so why are you even writing anything here?
 
If I can lift your sprits a bit, I heard inklings about the hatred (esp towards Amber after her short program), but now my feed is overwhelmingly positive - most accounts are celebrating Alysa's comeback story and positive outlook. Especially me being Asian Australian, I've seen many many Asian diaspora accounts really celebrating Alysa's win (and her attitude which is also breaking the mould of stereotypical Asian diaspora's daughter).

I did see a bit of disgusting, sexualizing comments about the women's medal winners (yes, including towards 17 year old Ami) - but in my feed those comments are being called out and reprimanded.

Unfortunately there'll always be some haters & disgusting creeps, but this is actually the most positive general media atmosphere I've ever seen after the Olympics 😊
Are you currently in Australia? I’m getting a lot of hate from people who don’t even know about figure skating at all who are glad Amber did not medal because she answered a question asked of her by a reporter. I see a lot of “5th place is fourth loser” and “the Zamboni finished higher than she did.” The times I have been lucky to meet and speak with Amber she has been the nicest person and this just hurts my heart. When it’s pointed out she won a team gold I’m told she was “carried to it.”
What does make me feel a bit better is that she’s apparently gaining fans in China and Japan. But I’ve rarely seen this amount of hate towards any US athlete.
Hope I danced around politics enough there.
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Are you currently in Australia? I’m getting a lot of hate from people who don’t even know about figure skating at all who are glad Amber did not medal because she answered a question asked of her by a reporter.
What question?
 
All the usual strawmans. Yawn. I never said all of her lutzes deserve 'e'. Funny how you ignore other people being scored worse for same/better quality jumps.


A blatant lie. She used to try and hold the outside edge longer, with a classic lutz entry on a long glide, trying to sit on the outside edge. She now does a shorter entry.
Yes, it's no different than a 2Toe deserving +5 GOE if someone actually tried and succeeded in jumping it like that. Nobody tries to do that though, except for one time when Jeremy Ten specifically planned a single-rotation jump with the intent to receive maximum GOE on it, and did eventually get it.

+5 GOE 3Lz(e)< would be incredibly hard to execute, as it would require purposefully landing between forward and sideways, breaking out of the rotation high above the ice specifically at that amount of rotation, landing with great flow and having great body position throughout, while doing a huge jump with lack of pre-rotation.


Being an "ISU" judge is meaningless. It has nothing to do with merit, only a federation happening to submit someone. Considering that I passed all the training, with a top score, and have created rules that were implemented by the ISU and am continually in conversation with ISU committees about rule proposals and things to add to judge training, I am far more qualified than most sitting judges. Your opinion holds zero weight if trying to use this metric, so why are you even writing anything here?

The point was about favouritism and, due to your perceived extent of favouritism towards Sakamoto, you quite erroneously and fallaciously suggested since 2021 she “never ever again” got more than a ! when, in fact, she DID get an e… at literally one of the most important competitions, 2024 Worlds. Not to mention, the many ! she has received since 2021 — including at these Olympics — is contrary to your hella unsubstantiated opinion that she has been incessantly favoured and above scrutiny like the other skaters.

Ah... okay, what I'm getting by "incredibly hard to execute" is that you still think it's possible/alright for someone to be awarded +5 GOE on a 3Lz(e)<. Okay, alright, you do you, boo.

Hah, which rules of yours were implemented by the ISU and where's a source crediting with you as such? I mean, it's nothing compared to the dozens of contributions I've made to the ISU judging system (see, super easy to just claim anything!). You keep parroting "I came up with rules", and I'm asking the emperor to show his clothes, at this point... and share any actual proof (instead of just pontificating) of your so-called contributions.

Also, the sheer hypocrisy, I can't — you jeer ISU judges as meaningless and unqualified to judge, and yet you are paradoxically SO eager to legitimize yourself, by indicating your remarkably superhuman ability to pass ISU training (which likely hundreds of people, including said judges, have been able to pass), and (allegedly) getting some nugatory "top score" (Nancy Pelosi slow clap for you, gurl). You denigrate this organization and the people it trains, and yet you boast about having passed their training and moreover (supposedly) contribute your time and effort to the very people that you mock! Pick a lane, sis.

In your zeal to claim how supremely qualified you are, you weirdly and consistently neglect to provide any actual evidence of the fruits of your (alleged) ISU training labors... and, I would surmise, have yet never judged any competition of significance.... and yet you astonishingly are resolute in your station as merely a self-aggrandizing, armchair judge, even with having (allegedly) all the qualification yet none of the application (heck, we'll settle for proof of qualification, at this point, lol).

You think you have some edge over us, but gurl, you're "e" at best. 😂
 
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Apparently, I missed this one.

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I can imagine political views that might upset citizens of some other countries, but Australia...
Thank you for the PM link, @dorispulaski !
This does not look like a political question to me though. It's rather a human rights question. And I still don't get why it should bother Australians, especially ones who do not follow skating and in theory should not even know Amber's name.
@moonvine was there a specific wording taken out of context that people reacted to? Or, is there an inner discussion going on in Australia that makes people feel partial to anything related to the question?

Please, send me a PM if it's inappropriate for the forum discussion.
 
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Are you currently in Australia? I’m getting a lot of hate from people who don’t even know about figure skating at all who are glad Amber did not medal because she answered a question asked of her by a reporter. I see a lot of “5th place is fourth loser” and “the Zamboni finished higher than she did.” The times I have been lucky to meet and speak with Amber she has been the nicest person and this just hurts my heart. When it’s pointed out she won a team gold I’m told she was “carried to it.”
Thank you for the PM link, @dorispulaski !
This does not look like a political question to me though. It's rather a human rights question. And I still don't get why it should bother Australians, especially ones who do not follow skating and in theory should not even know Amber's name.
@moonvine was there a specific wording taken out of context that people reacted to? Or, is there an inner discussion going on in Australia that makes people feel partial to anything related to the question?

I think @moonvine's question to me might not be related to Amber's getting hate for answering that question - but I'll let her clarify if I also misunderstood anything.

Yes, I'm currently in Australia and I can assure you I've seen zero hate or controversy regarding Amber from Australians. I'm in many LGBTQ+ circles in Australia and all these groups are celebrating Amber for being such a great representative in the Olympics. Outside those circles, the general media is also praising Amber for her amazing sportswomanship, highlighting how she consoled both Mone & Kaori and asked the cameraman to stop recording Kaori in her emotional moment - as mentioned in moonvine's screenshot.

And if we want to talk about that interview question, in my feed she's being celebrated for being brave, for using her voice and platform. I know after that some maga trolls did wish her ill as moonvine said - but at least to me the praises were louder than the hate.

I hope Amber knows that she is beloved globally and that for every hater there are 10 or more supporters ❤️
 
Thank you for the PM link, @dorispulaski !
This does not look like a political question to me though. It's rather a human rights question. And I still don't get why it should bother Australians, especially ones who do not follow skating and in theory should not even know Amber's name.
@moonvine was there a specific wording taken out of context that people reacted to? Or, is there an inner discussion going on in Australia that makes people feel partial to anything related to the question?

Please, send me a PM if it's inappropriate for the forum discussion.
I think I misworded something. I haven’t seen it (the answer) bother people in Australia but a certain group of people in the US are extremely angry and saying horrible things about Amber, who is one of the nicest skaters I’ve ever met. Up to and including wishing physical harm upon her. And it upsets me greatly.
 
I think I misworded something. I haven’t seen it (the answer) bother people in Australia but a certain group of people in the US are extremely angry and saying horrible things about Amber, who is one of the nicest skaters I’ve ever met. Up to and including wishing physical harm upon her. And it upsets me greatly.
Oh, right... Now I see what group of people you area talking about and why discussing this could get political. It's truly sad :(
 
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