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59th ISU Congress: Watch and Discuss

Is there a list of the delegates from each country?
Some of them I do recognize, like Karen Butcher for Canada, Han Cong for China, Simon Briggs for Great Britain since they spoke. They'll say their name and country before they speak, which helps.

The 2022 minutes list the delegates, so there will be a list when these minutes are published.
 
Article 16 - Council recognizes members have different opinions on implementation. Will put motion for 234-246 to be delayed to 2026-27, but 236, 237 and 243 are in effect immediately after Congress.

If they vote against the motion, they'll all be in effect immediately after Congress.
 
People can stop acting as if the world is coming to an end now. If the motion passed, there should not be some type of reversal out of nowhere.
 
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Some of them I do recognize, like Karen Butcher for Canada, Han Cong for China, Simon Briggs for Great Britain since they spoke. They'll say their name and country before they speak, which helps.

The 2022 minutes list the delegates, so there will be a list when these minutes are published.

It might not be Simon that is at the Congress, though. It might be his identical twin brother, Jason, who is actually based in America.

I can't tell them apart at all. And neither can Chris Howarth, as we found out when Jason stood in for Simon at Skate America (Simon was busy with the Tayside Trophy), and Chris kept calling him "Simon".

So, it's a good job they introduce themselves here.

CaroLiza_fan
 
It might not be Simon that is at the Congress, though. It might be his identical twin brother, Jason, who is actually based in America.

I can't tell them apart at all. And neither can Chris Howarth, as we found out when Jason stood in for Simon at Skate America (Simon was busy with the Tayside Trophy), and Chris kept calling him "Simon".

So, it's a good job they introduce themselves here.

CaroLiza_fan
He introduced himself, so definitely Simon ;) Very helpful for me too since I wouldn't have known if it was his twin.
 
So for the next 2 seasons, the jumps and spins will remain the same?
I don't know, I stopped watching since I had to leave the office at that point. They timed the vote well for my work day. Edit: I thought this was about base values for some reason 😅
 
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Wow, I go to bed and miss all the drrraaaaammmmaaaa.... and I am feeling chatty so skip if you don't want to read me before I've had my coffee.
We're doing this just so the type of skater you enjoy won't get trounced as badly on the scoreboard?
No, they are doing it because they are trying to slow, stop or even {gasp} reverse the decline in interest in the competitive sport worldwide: they tried the heap-rewards-on-the-mega-jumpers thing with Chen and Malinin - and it didn't work and their two biggest male drawcards are now competing with them for Japanese attention - and with the TT girls where it seemed to work and then imploded into tainted ugliness.

with one less jumping pass, Malinin may be able to show what he has other than fabulous jumping. It remains to be seen... but in your ideal world, Malinin would manage to do more with choreography with the added time and shut down the naysayers. I am waiting for it :)
What is amusing to me is that Malinin has over and over said how much he admires Yuzuru, and yet neither he nor any of his fans seem to have the foggiest what it is that has made Yuzu both the highest-achieving (in IJS at the very least) and most popular skater on the planet. And I'm not knocking the jumps, because Yuzu and Shoma were both pioneers in the jump revolution - they both have first quads/jumps in their resume.

An athlete delivers an iconic performance that garnered widespread mainstream attention...
Iconic? Oh please. The only iconic bits are in ten-second tiktok clips which is probably enough for a lot of folk. ISU don't have to show the whole thing because the jumps - which appear to be all his fans or what media is looking care about - are still there. And there was more 'widespread media attention' to minor events in nearly all sports that have been listening to their damn audience.

The general media have no idea why a 4A is any more 'speshull' than the other quads, the general audience can't even tell them from triples, I suspect it's things like cantilevers, hydroblades and backflips that they like to see just as much.

How do you measure the number of new eyes brought to the sport ?

Let's check IG followers. Malinin and his 4A have 175k. Jason Brown and his 3A have 287k. Even Kimmy Repond and her 2A have 211k.

So where are those eyes ?
To be fair, Jason and Kimmy (and Nathan Chen, Tessa Virtue, all the current and retired big instagram accounts) have been going on sm a lot longer than Malinin - Yuzu started his after them all, never posts because he seems to keep forgetting it exists, and still has 232K. Go figure :laugh:). And Jason does have a more appealing online personality. Plus people do impulse subscribe and then forget/lose interest, in the person or the platform, but never unsubscribe, so numbers can be dodgy. Social media is in the end less important than bums on seats.

The YouTube of Malinin's free skate had MILLIONS of views in a very short time... like in days... and then, of course, NBC pulled the video.
Starr Andrews has 57M views. I repeat, social media is in the end less important than...

You want to beat the best? Then get better.
Well, Malinin et al can also get better. No one is stopping him from honing his skating skills.

Anyway, simple fact is, TPTB in their wisdom let the jump-crazy thing make a pig's breakfast of scoring and lost a hell of a lot of interest worldwide as a result, and this when it was already a worry. I doubt this will entirely turn it round, but hey, they need to try something.

The entire sport is not supposed to be running entirely for the benefit and glory of Ilia Malinin and the TT girls (if and when they come back) because Ilia Malinin and the TT girls are replaceable, just as Chen and Chan and Javi and Shoma and Yuna and Yuzu ought to have been. But if it loses the bulk of skaters and audience, it will die.

Now... where's that coffee?
 
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I still don't think these rule changes will mean a thing if the judges continue to be bribed by coaches and high ranking officials. Everyone is avoiding the obvious rule changes that should be discussed: penalizing incorrect jump edges and group thinking in PCS.
 
I still don't think these rule changes will mean a thing if the judges continue to be bribed by coaches and high ranking officials. Everyone is avoiding the obvious rule changes that should be discussed: penalizing incorrect jump edges and group thinking in PCS.
It will make it easier to fudge because multiple elements have levels removed as per rule changes and have GoE only. Which means...collusion galore. Judging will no longer even pretend to be fair after 2027
 
This. This is my exact feels.
Me too. It really bothers me that just because Zagitova did all her jumping passes in the second half, that no one's allowed to do a 3-4 or a 2-5 program, just because she took it to the extreme. Everyone does 4-3 now, and it's boring and formulaic.
 
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