ISU, WADA , COI or whoever could ban the entire team (adults) after Beijing but they didn’t have the courage to do it, instead they only punished to Kamila the minor, and now are doing the same, punishing Adelia.
Well I agree with the ideal but I guess the question is, is it practically tenable and is it responsible to ignore the realistic motivations of committees and nations for what we wish were the case. An eastern country like Russia's sports program is inextricable from their international propaganda effort. You can't really shrug when they start a war and say well sports is separate.
The ISU didn’t want the Russian, it was imposed by the IOC. Otherwise they would be on the GP and back to normal this year.Well, I would argue that if you are the governing body of a sport and want to uphold some sort of credibility, you must care about all athletes involved in your sport, not just some of them no matter what the circunstancies. And how the fact that Adelia is left coachless is supposed to help any Ukrainian athletes rebuild their war-destroyed training facilities or show that the ISU truly cares about them is honestly beyond my gasp. Two injustices do not make a right; they simply make a bigger injustice.
You may think that Russian athletes should not be allowed but in fact the ISU itself decided otherwise. And as so, it is one of the ISU's most basic obligations to make sure that all athletes compete in equal conditions.
So yes, I do feel sorry for Adelia in all this mess because as I said, she does not deserve it. She hurt nobody and bombed no training facility in Ukraine (remember, accordingly to the ISU, she is AIN, she does not represent Russia and has then no connection to the war or its consequences even in theory; of course, she already did not have any responsibility in practice). And she already has an incredible pressure on herself just as things were without being additionally deprived of any support. But we clearly won't agree on this so lets just agree to disagree, and I'll go join the proposed drinks for Adelia's success in the face of everything
This 10000 times! That's the bottom line summary of all this
And this too. I feel the same way. Once again, go Adelia!
Do they have a non-national anthem?
{sigh} People seem to have been watching too many bad cop shows.
That's a pretty bizarre hook to hang your hat on, though, if you think about it.
Maybe that just says more about the fact that wars are bad and shouldn’t really need to be started other than by megalomaniac dictators seeking personal praise and recognition.
It also raises the question of why people praise and give favorable recognition to megalomaniacal dictators who start them.
Well... at least, it's no longer Tchaikovsky concerto... which was definitely as Russian as the Russian national anthem.
Well before the war, it wasn't AIN but ROC, so it was still overtly Russian and nobody was trying to hide that. It was a Russian organization. Now its fully neutral. I believe at 2024 Paris they had the same anthem rule.
Yeah I mean this actually makes it seem somewhat separate from Russia where as the previous ones you didn’t really notice that it was OAR/ROC because it was still very obviously the Russian team. And Belarus was still Belarus because the original ban was about doping.
yes, it's different. At the same time, they were not allowed their flag not their National anthem... yet... the flag was neutral, the anthem wasn't.
Was the flag really neutral though? If Tchaikovsky is considered Russian then I’m sure the Russian Olympic Committee flag would also be…
You lost me here. Tchaikovsky is definitely one of the biggest emblems of Russian culture. The Olympic flag is ... well, the Olympic flag.
Yea but the name "Russian" Olympic Committee isn't neutral really either. I dont think it was ever supposed to be neutral. Medals were also collected as an organization. That isn't true for AIN either. I think the point of ROC was just to disconnect from the Russian government responsible financially and infrastructurally for the doping, not really disconnect the Russian people or culture from the wins since that had little to do with things. With the war though obviously the general Russian ethos and culture is inextricable from the war effort since its a whole morale thing which is basically legitimate war tactic. Its also overtly a blood-and-soil nationalistic war.
The music has nothing to do with the government, the flag does.
Exactly my point - if we’re considering the music to not be neutral then I’d say that the ROC flag isn’t neutral either.
The ROC flag? It literally has the Russian tricolor on it, just in a different shape
