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Alena Kostornaia

Congratulations to Alena on her coaching change! She made some beautiful and impressive progress with her first big coaching change and I believe she will be able to achieve that again! I’m sad about how the situation is being handled by her now former coaching team, however as a long time Evgenia fan I am not even slightly surprised. Some people can be cruel when they feel threatened. I hope to see her landing that incredible 3A soon and look forward to training content with both her and Sasha. Two of my favourites from the current senior trio will be reunited once again! I also hope they can get her an external choreographer, she deserves it! :)
 
Note: copying here my post from another thread

Some Observations:

1) Aliona won everything last year so (contrarily from Sasha) she would have no apparent reason to not trust the team entering the new season.

2) We know she hold Rozanov in high consideration both for the rinkside support and (if I'm not wrong) because he's the one who worked on her trixel after her injury with exceptional results. (worst trixel last year was a step out at NHK)
I always had the impression that Aliona was protective over Sasha and Sasha was always supersweet and caring with Aliona.
Combined that would mean that when Sasha/Rozanov moved she would wonder if would be best to follow them, but as already said she trusted her current school and staying looked like the best and more logical solution

3) The persona non grata list and Aliona being OK to train with Sasha are only apparently contradictory.
The way Eteri wrote seems like Aliona would not like to train with half of the group; that sounds like bull***t to me.
There could be one skater she does not like to work with and she may have told that to the coaches.
It could happen in individual sports, it's not even strange and would explaing why she would have no problem working with Sasha.
Does not seems enough to leave a team that lead you to international gold coming from nothing.

4) Deciding to leave in May, traning with the "wrong" team for two months and then create this situation makes no sense.


My conclusion is that something happened in July that convinced her she has no future at Sambo and that something is most probably related to jumping.
If it's true that she has not recovered her trixel yet, neverless started working on a quad that's reason enough to leave.
Without Trixels the gold list of Aliona last season would have stopped at Finlandia trophy.
If she's convinced that Rozanov could restore her Trixel back that's more than enough for deciding to leave, even midseason (midseason of a non season so totally away from competitions btw)
That would also explaing the "I won't train anymore here" (because it's pointless) statement and the growing irritation in the last day of training.

Aliona is driven by emotions: it does not mean they control her, she's tough and knows hot to channel emotions in growth and strenght, but their are a big part of her and the foundation of her great expressiveness and communication skills on and off the ice.

If what Plushenko says it's true (e.g. she contacted him out of the blue) I have no doubt that she already made up her mind before contacting him and it was only a check to see if the team was ok to work with her.
 
McBibus said:
Note: copying here my post from another thread

Some Observations:

1) Aliona won everything last year so (contrarily from Sasha) she would have no apparent reason to not trust the team entering the new season.

2) We know she hold Rozanov in high consideration both for the rinkside support and (if I'm not wrong) because he's the one who worked on her trixel after her injury with exceptional results. (worst trixel last year was a step out at NHK)
I always had the impression that Aliona was protective over Sasha and Sasha was always supersweet and caring with Aliona.
Combined that would mean that when Sasha/Rozanov moved she would wonder if would be best to follow them, but as already said she trusted her current school and staying looked like the best and more logical solution

3) The persona non grata list and Aliona being OK to train with Sasha are only apparently contradictory.
The way Eteri wrote seems like Aliona would not like to train with half of the group; that sounds like bull***t to me.
There could be one skater she does not like to work with and she may have told that to the coaches.
It could happen in individual sports, it's not even strange and would explaing why she would have no problem working with Sasha.
Does not seems enough to leave a team that lead you to international gold coming from nothing.

4) Deciding to leave in May, traning with the "wrong" team for two months and then create this situation makes no sense.


My conclusion is that something happened in July that convinced her she has no future at Sambo and that something is most probably related to jumping.
If it's true that she has not recovered her trixel yet, neverless started working on a quad that's reason enough to leave.
Without Trixels the gold list of Aliona last season would have stopped at Finlandia trophy.
If she's convinced that Rozanov could restore her Trixel back that's more than enough for deciding to leave, even midseason (midseason of a non season so totally away from competitions btw)
That would also explaing the "I won't train anymore here" (because it's pointless) statement and the growing irritation in the last day of training.

Aliona is driven by emotions: it does not mean they control her, she's tough and knows hot to channel emotions in growth and strenght, but their are a big part of her and the foundation of her great expressiveness and communication skills on and off the ice.

If what Plushenko says it's true (e.g. she contacted him out of the blue) I have no doubt that she already made up her mind before contacting him and it was only a check to see if the team was ok to work with her.
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One thing that doesn’t make sense to me about this explanation is that Aliona never relied on Rozanov to get her 3A back last season. He is a jumping coach, but it is not as if he held rods for her, as Sasha explained with her training the 4Lo. She merely spoke with Rozanov, took a shot at it without a rod, and then completed the jump. There was no doubt practice after that, but being incapable of getting a 3A back after performing it flawlessly, and it combination, for a season seems like an Aliona mental block. Maybe that block she thinks can only become overcome by Rozanov? Or maybe Dudakov has some quad practices that she really doesn’t like. Isn’t he known for making jumpers with bad technique?

I still don’t believe that she would be allowed to override transferring after the window unless there was something very serious, more serious than jumping, but maybe I am wrong. As for the conflicting versions, Eteri has a conflicting version of events for anyone she parts with. While she has no doubt built some fine skaters, I’m far more inclined to trust Plushenko on matters of detail regarding the split even if he’s unproven as a coach at this level...
 
Best wishes to Alena! I never second guess a skater's reason for a coaching change.
 
sclloyd said:
One thing that doesn’t make sense to me about this explanation is that Aliona never relied on Rozanov to get her 3A back last season. He is a jumping coach, but it is not as if he held rods for her, as Sasha explained with her training the 4Lo. She merely spoke with Rozanov, took a shot at it without a rod, and then completed the jump. There was no doubt practice after that, but being incapable of getting a 3A back after performing it flawlessly, and it combination, for a season seems like an Aliona mental block. Maybe that block she thinks can only become overcome by Rozanov? Or maybe Dudakov has some quad practices that she really doesn’t like. Isn’t he known for making jumpers with bad technique?

I still don’t believe that she would be allowed to override transferring after the window unless there was something very serious, more serious than jumping, but maybe I am wrong. As for the conflicting versions, Eteri has a conflicting version of events for anyone she parts with. While she has no doubt built some fine skaters, I’m far more inclined to trust Plushenko on matters of detail regarding the split even if he’s unproven as a coach at this level...
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Actually i believe aljona herself said he is responsible for her having a stable 3a last season as far as i remember . I also the think since plushenkos school is privately owned tso mabye a transfer to such a school has no transfer windows or is exemot from it?.
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I don't understand ... something happen .. I don't think she lost 3A because the way she jumps that jump is almost impossible .. maybe she saw anna get another 4 or a 3A and she thought become behind .. and it's better jump now to other coach than in a year ... but i would prefer her with eteri
 
fabienne1996 said:
Actually i believe aljona herself said he is responsible for her having a stable 3a last season as far as i remember . I also the think since plushenkos school is privately owned tso mabye a transfer to such a school has no transfer windows or is exemot from it?.
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I think I’m interviews she said that Rozonov suggested trying the 3A again after a few poor 4S attempts, and she just went and jumped it cleanly. That’s why I’m wondering if it’s not psychological.

I don’t know the rules about transfers, but I do recall them talking about transfer periods with Sasha?

I don’t know. I hope Aliona is happy and successful with the change, the rest may only be speculation from here forward.
 
patee said:
I've been in a shock ever since the news was broken... I'm totally devastated and simply can't recover. Aliona, but WHY for God's sake?! :cry: I've been trying to get all the information that is available since I first bumped into the unthinkable news on Insta, but the whole thing is just getting messier and messier. I'm afraid we won't ever get to know what the truth is, but at the moment I just feel really, really sad and disappointed. I really like Team Tutberidze, it is (was) amazing to see so many extremely talented skaters together in one group and I really thought that there was some kind of special bond between these girls... I was in a dream and now it seems I was wrong. I must recognise that such a team can't exist and work healthily. Sooner or later these very talented and ambitious individuals will turn against each other, because figure skating is NOT a team sport. All of them want to win and want the glory for themselves... Sorry for my negativity, I mean it when I'm saying I'm totally devastated... :(
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I feel exactly the way you do. Shocked upset and disappointed. Aliona just a few weeks ago was talking about a wonderful EG is and she's very nice too. Now this? The team that we all like so much completely decimated is beyond belief.

I don't know if I can believe that Aliona gave a list of skaters she would not appear on the ice with at practice. It's so far-fetched and she's a very smart girl. Unless this was her way to get away from TT.

But that brings up another point if there are 10 skaters on the ice at one time including boys that are much bigger than her (except Samsanov ;)) it can get pretty dangerous . If someone ran into her career would be changed forever.

Aliona is the most beautiful skater in the world and she was the best lady skater last year it is hard to Fathom that she did not have one endorsement. I think with Sasha moving to plushenko because of the promises the once-great skater gave Sasha and her parents that opened the door in Alona's mind to doing the same. This is not the same Russia that EG grew up in obeying everything her coaches said for fear of reprisal. These two awesome kids that just left her have minds of their own and they're going to do what they want to do and what their parents want them to do not what their coaches want them to do.

I of course wish Alena well she has brought nothing but beauty and joy to figure skating and we need that to continue because so few have ever skated as beautifully as her. I also hope she gets some money in the form of sponsors she certainly deserves that. Seeing Sasha and Anna with their sponsors and they aren't quite as good as aliona might have made her mad and knowing that Alina made more than a million dollars in 2019 whild she had no sponsors probably upset her as well. We have to remember these young athletes are not machines they are human flesh and blood like the rest of us.
 
sclloyd said:
One thing that doesn’t make sense to me about this explanation is that Aliona never relied on Rozanov to get her 3A back last season. He is a jumping coach, but it is not as if he held rods for her, as Sasha explained with her training the 4Lo. She merely spoke with Rozanov, took a shot at it without a rod, and then completed the jump. There was no doubt practice after that, but being incapable of getting a 3A back after performing it flawlessly, and it combination, for a season seems like an Aliona mental block. Maybe that block she thinks can only become overcome by Rozanov? Or maybe Dudakov has some quad practices that she really doesn’t like. Isn’t he known for making jumpers with bad technique?

I still don’t believe that she would be allowed to override transferring after the window unless there was something very serious, more serious than jumping, but maybe I am wrong. As for the conflicting versions, Eteri has a conflicting version of events for anyone she parts with. While she has no doubt built some fine skaters, I’m far more inclined to trust Plushenko on matters of detail regarding the split even if he’s unproven as a coach at this level...
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I have the same doubts you have.
I'm not blaming the allegedly trixel problem to Eteri's team.
Even assuming Rozanov has the key, there is no imcompetent trainers at Sambo.
It may has well be her problem and she's struggling to find a solution.
That her body changed so much or that she can't cope with the ice reconditioning after such a long stop is a fear I have.
 
McBibus said:
Note: copying here my post from another thread

Some Observations:

1) Aliona won everything last year so (contrarily from Sasha) she would have no apparent reason to not trust the team entering the new season.

2) We know she hold Rozanov in high consideration both for the rinkside support and (if I'm not wrong) because he's the one who worked on her trixel after her injury with exceptional results. (worst trixel last year was a step out at NHK)
I always had the impression that Aliona was protective over Sasha and Sasha was always supersweet and caring with Aliona.
Combined that would mean that when Sasha/Rozanov moved she would wonder if would be best to follow them, but as already said she trusted her current school and staying looked like the best and more logical solution

3) The persona non grata list and Aliona being OK to train with Sasha are only apparently contradictory.
The way Eteri wrote seems like Aliona would not like to train with half of the group; that sounds like bull***t to me.
There could be one skater she does not like to work with and she may have told that to the coaches.
It could happen in individual sports, it's not even strange and would explaing why she would have no problem working with Sasha.
Does not seems enough to leave a team that lead you to international gold coming from nothing.

4) Deciding to leave in May, traning with the "wrong" team for two months and then create this situation makes no sense.


My conclusion is that something happened in July that convinced her she has no future at Sambo and that something is most probably related to jumping.
If it's true that she has not recovered her trixel yet, neverless started working on a quad that's reason enough to leave.
Without Trixels the gold list of Aliona last season would have stopped at Finlandia trophy.
If she's convinced that Rozanov could restore her Trixel back that's more than enough for deciding to leave, even midseason (midseason of a non season so totally away from competitions btw)
That would also explaing the "I won't train anymore here" (because it's pointless) statement and the growing irritation in the last day of training.

Aliona is driven by emotions: it does not mean they control her, she's tough and knows hot to channel emotions in growth and strenght, but their are a big part of her and the foundation of her great expressiveness and communication skills on and off the ice.

If what Plushenko says it's true (e.g. she contacted him out of the blue) I have no doubt that she already made up her mind before contacting him and it was only a check to see if the team was ok to work with her.
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I’m not really surprised over this latest development. Seems young Aliona has been struggling with her jumps all year going back to the Road to a Victory show in a February when she missed badly on a flip. It was the kind of fall that could easily shake confidence. There was some speculation at the time that she had undergone some body changes.

On top of that she seemed to battle the mental aspect of the trixel, going as far as to say that she was doubting whether she could remember “how”. Then the pandemic came along and sidelined everyone. The timing could not have been worse because what she needed were solid reps on the ice to get her confidence and rhythm back. Like that old saying if you get thrown from a horse best to climb right back on.

Rozanov is the key here...all roads lead back to her jumping specialist.

Also, It’s entirely possible that Pluschenko sweetened the pot by granting her more privacy on the ice to be free of distractions. I got the impression that under the Sambo club she was sharing the ice with 5+ skaters at a time. It’s not unreasonable for the world record holder to ask for more privacy on the ice...certainly she earned it.

The real mystery remains the contradictory statements regarding the timing. Is it possible that the Russian system calls for entering the transfer portal by the May deadline without committing to a particular school? That by entering your name in the portal you then are allowed to transfer at a later date should you choose? Kind of like the NCAA basketball arrangement for undergraduates that wish to explore their pro potential?
 
Hammer24 said:
I’m not really surprised over this latest development. Seems young Aliona has been struggling with her jumps all year going back to the Road to a Victory show in a February when she missed badly on a flip. It was the kind of fall that could easily shake confidence. There was some speculation at the time that she had undergone some body changes.

On top of that she seemed to battle the mental aspect of the trixel, going as far as to say that she was doubting whether she could remember “how”. Then the pandemic came along and sidelined everyone. The timing could not have been worse because what she needed were solid reps on the ice to get her confidence and rhythm back. Like that old saying if you get thrown from a horse best to climb right back on.

Rozanov is the key here...all roads lead back to her jumping specialist.

Also, It’s entirely possible that Pluschenko sweetened the pot by granting her more privacy on the ice to be free of distractions. I got the impression that under the Sambo club she was sharing the ice with 5+ skaters at a time. It’s not unreasonable for the world record holder to ask for more privacy on the ice...certainly she earned it.

The real mystery remains the contradictory statements regarding the timing. Is it possible that the Russian system calls for entering the transfer portal by the May deadline without committing to a particular school? That by entering your name in the portal you then are allowed to transfer at a later date should you choose? Kind of like the NCAA basketball arrangement for undergraduates that wish to explore their pro potential?
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If she really gave her former coach of list of skaters she did not want on the ice with her that probably was the last straw. Honestly I would be a little disappointed in Aliona if she did that. The strength of TT was that everyone was treated the same from every Zhenya on down to Kamila. When girls want to be treated differently that does not sit well with EG.

I did not know that aliona was struggling so much with her jumps. This worldwide pandemic has screwed up so many things. EG coach the perfect season with her pupils taking every medal at every competition they entered and almost certainly one of them would have won worlds.

Has Aliona grown at all? A few extra centimeters in height and a few pounds in weight can change everything for a figure skater.

I wish her nothing but the best. Still in shock about this but hope she's not going through any emotional pain in leaving her friends and her former coach who coached her to greatness.. I find it hard to believe she has lost her 3A.
 
Scott512 said:
If she really gave her former coach of list of skaters she did not want on the ice with her that probably was the last straw. Honestly I would be a little disappointed in Aliona if she did that. The strength of TT was that everyone was treated the same from every Zhenya on down to Kamila. When girls want to be treated differently that does not sit well with EG.

I did not know that aliona was struggling so much with her jumps. This worldwide pandemic has screwed up so many things. EG coach the perfect season with her pupils taking every medal at every competition they entered and almost certainly one of them would have won worlds.

Has Aliona grown at all? A few extra centimeters in height and a few pounds in weight can change everything for a figure skater.

I wish her nothing but the best. Still in shock about this but hope she's not going through any emotional pain in leaving her friends and her former coach who coached her to greatness.. I find it hard to believe she has lost her 3A.
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Like I said in a previous post I don’t think that part of the story adds up. How would she have time to create a list in May when they weren’t even on the ice until the very very final days of May? If Eteri is framing this as having occurred before the transfer window closed that means that Aliona showed up and gave a list in what, two or three days of being back in Novgorosk? And then Eteri says, well she started acting strange mid-July. But if the transfer was already complete, then why would she start off news of the split by saying this behavior started a month and a half after they would’ve known internally?

I also doubt the endorsements being reason enough. Aliona hasn’t gotten any, but why? I think it may have to do with her declared departure of the sport, you cannot make a face of an athlete who will not be competing after the most momentous competition of their career. Further, why would Sasha and Anya and Alina get adidas, Nike, and Puma deals and Aliona get nothing? It makes no sense. Eteri and Sambo-70 get a split of earnings contractually so her blocking endorsements for her most successful senior would financially make no sense.

I still haven’t been able to find a translation of Daniil’s IGTV video, so if anyone finds one, I’d be super appreciative if you linked it here 🙏
 
Scott512 said:
If she really gave her former coach of list of skaters she did not want on the ice with her that probably was the last straw. Honestly I would be a little disappointed in Aliona if she did that. The strength of TT was that everyone was treated the same from every Zhenya on down to Kamila. When girls want to be treated differently that does not sit well with EG.

I did not know that aliona was struggling so much with her jumps. This worldwide pandemic has screwed up so many things. EG coach the perfect season with her pupils taking every medal at every competition they entered and almost certainly one of them would have won worlds.

Has Aliona grown at all? A few extra centimeters in height and a few pounds in weight can change everything for a figure skater.

I wish her nothing but the best. Still in shock about this but hope she's not going through any emotional pain in leaving her friends and her former coach who coached her to greatness.. I find it hard to believe she has lost her 3A.
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So Eteri claims that Aliona gave her “a Whole list of non grata girls.” In the same Instagram quote she also unceremoniously threw former students Julia and Zhenya under the bus for good measure. I’m still gasping at the level of shade...Forgive me if I give young Aliona the benefit of the doubt here.
 
sclloyd said:
Like I said in a previous post I don’t think that part of the story adds up. How would she have time to create a list in May when they weren’t even on the ice until the very very final days of May? If Eteri is framing this as having occurred before the transfer window closed that means that Aliona showed up and gave a list in what, two or three days of being back in Novgorosk? And then Eteri says, well she started acting strange mid-July. But if the transfer was already complete, then why would she start off news of the split by saying this behavior started a month and a half after they would’ve known internally?

I also doubt the endorsements being reason enough. Aliona hasn’t gotten any, but why? I think it may have to do with her declared departure of the sport, you cannot make a face of an athlete who will not be competing after the most momentous competition of their career. Further, why would Sasha and Anya and Alina get adidas, Nike, and Puma deals and Aliona get nothing? It makes no sense. Eteri and Sambo-70 get a split of earnings contractually so her blocking endorsements for her most successful senior would financially make no sense.

I still haven’t been able to find a translation of Daniil’s IGTV video, so if anyone finds one, I’d be super appreciative if you linked it here [emoji120]
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The transfer was not completet in may at all, rusfed already said that they have no knowledge of anything regarding this back in may. I would gues thatmabye the idea or thought of leaving team eteri came to aljona in may for the first time when sasha , veronika but probably most of all rozanov left to go to plushenko. She probaboy wanted to still give it a chance with her coaches before dooing soemthing so drastic. And mabye for her it didnt work out and she made the final decision 2 weeks ago like plushenko said. I doubt she would have gone through the work and time to learn 2 new programms when she knew that by leaving she also would not skate to this programms. At this point its speculation but mabye she said to daniil that she first thought about it in may and they decided to take it as my decsion was made in may.? And the thing with her not wanting ti skate with others why then woykd she go on her own free will to plushenko where she knows she will skate with sasha together ?

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