Just to chime in late here, it’s a good season for a switch in my opinion. She isn’t going to be motivated by internal competitions, in my opinion. Part of her breakdown at the Olympics was about not having a senior title of significance, and there doesn’t appear to even be an opportunity for that right now. So why should she kill her back this season? In an ideal world, she gets healthy this season, and we’ll see what she wants to do next season… assuming Russia is back next season.
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I think she has much to motivate she has never won the Russian title (or any senior title) and this year would have been a great opportunity. The Russian title is more prestigious than ISU titles in my eyes because of the deeper talent pool in the domestic competition. She was never really a chance to win gold at the Olympics I think Kamila was a -1000 favorite to win gold, so I don't understand why it affected her so much.
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This forum is truly remarkable. Just mentioning the word "grandfather" in connection with the statement that if sporting rules were observed, Trusova would be the real reigning champion of Russia, is enough to classify the post as forbidden and delete it? Sorry, that even tops the FFKKR's new "Code of Ethics".
This forum is truly remarkable. Just mentioning the word "grandfather" in connection with the statement that if sporting rules were observed, Trusova would be the real reigning champion of Russia, is enough to classify the post as forbidden and delete it? Sorry, that even tops the FFKKR's new "Code of Ethics".
Well I'm not sure what exactly was posted but the mods don't want threads to dissolve into a discussion about the doping situation.
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Apparently, Trusova was under the impression that if she completed all her quads in the Olympic FS, she'd win Olympic gold. It was said that her coaches had given her that impression. Someone please correct this if it is wrong.
I'm sure they told her she'd have to land her quads to win, but I doubt they told her she would emphatically win gold if she did - that team doesn't seem that stupid to give that kind of guarantee statement in a sport that's judged especially when they coached her 2 other competitors who had the technical difficulty with similar jumps and were more well-rounded with other aspects of skating
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I have nothing against exaggeration. But everything has its limits.
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Trusova jumped 5 quads at the olympics, Anna did 2 and Kamila did 3 of poor quality.
Shcherbakova was doing 3 quads the first week of Beijing (boots, lack of ice time resulted in her going for 2) and no one knew Valieva was going to throw a dud in the FS. So yes they have similar jumps to Trusova and both had a better track record of being clean and in general are better at all other aspects of skating than Trusova, hence my point I doubt her coaches were telling her if she landed all of her quads she would win, more likely they told her she would need to land them to win - remember she had never competed her 5 quad program clean in competition and I don't remember her doing more than 3 quads clean in a couple years.
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they just never bothered to do what plushenko actually did. to get her at least to try to listen to the music. they destroyed all the process he made with her jumping technique, and lets say the truth it was under plushenko that she actually came closer than ever to jump the 3a up unitl that point in time at least. sadly politcs were in play and she would have never gotten a spot for the Olympics no matter if she had jumped a clean 5 quad routine with 3a if she had stayed with him.
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Best of luck to Sasha in all her endeavours for the now and for the future!
This season is meaningless in Russia anyway and who knows what happens to the next one so she has nothing to stretch herself for. Just keeping healthy and enjoying her new environment and spending her time in the good and caring company of the likeminded souls...
This season is meaningless in Russia anyway and who knows what happens to the next one so she has nothing to stretch herself for. Just keeping healthy and enjoying her new environment and spending her time in the good and caring company of the likeminded souls...
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i'd like to argue that the Russian National title is NOT deeper than worlds. YES, the top 3, even 5-6 women are strong and can do better than MOST skaters from other countries... but it's not like there are 20 skaters in Russia who can ALL do triple axels and quads... at least, not in the senior scene. Yet, there are some skaters from Korea, Japan, and sometimes, even the USA, attempting and landing some of these jumps. I am saying that the top skaters of these countries are better than Russia's number 8 or 9 or perhaps even 5 or 6... So I believe that the top 3 Russians, the top 3 Japanese, the top 3 Koreans and the top 3 Americans make a deeper field than the top 12 Russians.... and let's not forget the others like Loena. Just saying... So I would like to express my disagreement that Sasha's main goal is to be Russian champion... Her main objective is probably a Senior International title.
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I do not like comparing scores from different events... but
This seems to corroborate my suggestion
15 women scored over 180 at worlds... which is just the same at Russian Nationals
8 scored over 190 which is over the top 10 Russian finisher
Sakamoto scored 236, which would have placed her near the podium at Russian Nationals
ETC
and as we all know, National events are often scored higher than Worlds.
Of course, the top 5-6 Russian skaters are ahead from other Russians and most of the rest of the world (except for Kaori) but it's not like the top 20 Russian skaters are miles ahead from the rest of the world. That's just false information. As a matter of fact, the 18th skater at Russian Nationals would not have made the free skate at worlds...
And I would be curious to see, this year, with so many skaters injured or not quite yet in top shape to attempt their big tricks, how it will be.
So yeah... Sasha will not be satisfied fully until she wins an international championship.
YMMV and I am okay if you find this entertaining
and giving me a smiley face
This seems to corroborate my suggestion
15 women scored over 180 at worlds... which is just the same at Russian Nationals
8 scored over 190 which is over the top 10 Russian finisher
Sakamoto scored 236, which would have placed her near the podium at Russian Nationals
ETC
and as we all know, National events are often scored higher than Worlds.
Of course, the top 5-6 Russian skaters are ahead from other Russians and most of the rest of the world (except for Kaori) but it's not like the top 20 Russian skaters are miles ahead from the rest of the world. That's just false information. As a matter of fact, the 18th skater at Russian Nationals would not have made the free skate at worlds...
And I would be curious to see, this year, with so many skaters injured or not quite yet in top shape to attempt their big tricks, how it will be.
So yeah... Sasha will not be satisfied fully until she wins an international championship.
YMMV and I am okay if you find this entertaining
and giving me a smiley face
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I do not like comparing scores from different events... but
This seems to corroborate my suggestion
15 women scored over 180 at worlds... which is just the same at Russian Nationals
8 scored over 190 which is over the top 10 Russian finisher
Sakamoto scored 236, which would have placed her near the podium.
ETC
and as well all know, National events are often scored higher than Worlds.
Of course, the top 5-6 Russian skaters are ahead from other Russians and most of the rest of the world (except for Kaori) but it's not like the top 20 Russian skaters are miles ahead from the rest of the world. That's just false information. As a matter of fact, the 18th skater at Russian Nationals would not have made the free skate at worlds...
And I would be curious to see, this year, with so many skaters injured or not quite yet in top shape to attempt their big tricks, how it will be.
So yeah... Sasha will not be satisfied fully until she wins an international championship.
YMMV and I am okay if you find this entertaining
Using your post to jump off, I find "laughing" emojis at a post that is not meant to be funny, to, be, well, not quite the flex that was theoretically intended.
If I disagree with something, I like to think I have the courage and politeness to say so directly. I don't understand that kind of passive-aggression to laugh at someone's serious post, but to each their own
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Trusova was doing Triple Axel and 5 Quads the first week of Beijing. So what?
Indeed? Shcherbakova has 4T, 4S, 4F, 4Lz, 4T+3T, 4T+Eu+3S, 4Lz+Eu+3S, 4Lz+3T (did I forgot something?) in her arsenal?
Apparently I missed something.
When it comes to Sherbakova, you're comparing apples (5 quads) to oranges (2 quads) when it comes to stability. I will not discuss Valieva for reasons that cannot be discussed here. And as for the skating skills, I'm definitely not alone in saying that Trusova is superior to Sherbakova. Sherbakova has one thing in front of everyone, FFKKR behind her and therefore mushrooms to the moon and back.
But you might remember how often Sherbakova landed 3 clean quads in general (or even just 2, I prefer not to say that the 4Lz is basically just another 4F and is therefore not actually allowed to be repeated). Specifically, I'm interested in how many times she landed quad toe and quad salch. After all, according to your statement, she has a jump arsenal comparable to Trusova.
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The problem isn't that Sasha has this injury, it's that she can't just carry on as before with this injury for the time being. But that doesn't exist at TT because it doesn't fit into the system. "You have back pain? Carry on or go home!" So it's not a bit of a contradiction that on the one hand Sasha has always been the driving force for ever higher difficulties and now thinks that the extreme training load is too much.
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Hey guys, I have a question for you all, considering not just technical elements. This is a matter of artistic components: I prefer Anna Shcherbakova, for her graceful manners, her drammatic expressions and delicate interpretation instead that Sasha. I'm not saying Sasha has not valuable artistic components!! Not at all!! But it is a personal liking. I prefer Sasha for technical elements for example, her power, she has really strong character. Do you think Sasha could had won gold at the Olympics if she had been better prepared from the point of view of choreographic and artistic components? If I'm not wrong, Anna has won also because of her higher artistic score. I am wright?..
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the best way to answer this question given her strengths, weaknesses and technical arsenal she brought to the olympics, if she would have landed the 3A in the short with 0 GOE she would have won.
even if Sasha was a more artistically developed skater i still don't think she would match Anna in that area, so if she still had skated how she did at the olympics i don't think there could have been a scenario where she won by better PCS.
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Never. There was no way she would have won. Striving for the most difficult technical content is not in the spirit of the ISU. It would have been easy to shift the rating by one point. This is exactly what this subjective rating system is for. Without the ballerina image, even 5 quads and triple axel would definitely not have been enough to hit 2 quads plus sad facial expressions and waving arms. And Trusova finally understood that that day and reacted accordingly. I got it 100% and still do today. Frankly, if she had lived up to her promise to never set foot on the ice again, I would have understood.
Sasha was brought back to TT to complete the podium. Actually, she was assigned the eternal 3rd place. Unfortunately, there was an unforeseen breakdown.
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