Can Mao get 200.00?

[Tinymavy15]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070316/sp_nm/figure_skating_world_preview_dc_1

Mao wants to reach the 200 mark for her overall score. I think she will achive this goal... triple axel or no. If she skates well. In yor home country the scores are always a little inflated.. so if hse was barley there at NHK, i think she will get there at worlds. maybe due to her amazing short.

 

[PolymerBob]

There is no doubt that she CAN. We just don't know if she WILL.

 

[satorare]

She doesn't need to be clean to reach 200 points. The performance at NHK trophy will be enough for that "conservative" goal.

 

[Mathman]

She doesn't need to be clean to reach 200 points. The performance at NHK trophy will be enough for that "conservative" goal.

I agree. She got 199 at NHK despite losing -1.80 GOE on her triple Axel and having both of her double loops downgraded to singles on her 3Lz+2Lo+2Lo combo.

It all depends on how generous the judges are with the PCSs. She will need high 7's across the board to reach 200.

 

[Tinymavy15]

i watched her performnace at NHK. I was severly dissipointed that it earned the highest score of any ladies program under the new system. She did hit everything cleanly, except the triple axel, but i felt that the program lost a lot of chreograohy and the persoinilty that she had at Skate America. At SA mao made a lot of mistakes and left out combonations, but the chreography and personlaity was there. I felt more impresses with Mao last season and surprised that those scores were not higher. THere have been a lot of great performnaces by ladies under the new system... i don't feel that that one was the best.

 

[satorare]

I hope Mao to break Cohen's record for short grograms (71.12 at 2003 Skate Canada). This score is grossly inflated with ridiculous PCS, kind of a stain for the ISU.

 

[Spun Silver]

You seem to post just to praise Mao and sneer at others. Poor Mao - she deserves better fans.

 

[z4mboni]

Satorare has sort of a point, though, as far as PCS are concerned. When the CoP was introduced, the judges used to give very high PCS scores quite generously. The trend was stopped later, and in result it became quite difficult for some skaters, especially those who are more dependant on the PCS than TES, to beat their previous PBs (TES, on the other side, are getting higher and higher as not only the skaters are doing more difficult jumps now, but also are more accustomed to CoP and able to perform high level spins, spirals and steps).
It's not that Sasha's scores were "inflated", it's just that it was much easier to get high PCS back then than now. Maybe Satorare just did not know that fact.

At SA mao made a lot of mistakes and left out combonations, but the chreography and personlaity was there

This is going to sound silly, but I think that her SA skate looked better because of more fitting costume and hairstyle. Her new LP outfit looks sort of princessy and does not match the feel of "Czardas" - she looks more of a proud aristocrat in the red dress instead of sassy, passionate girl.

 

[chuckm]

I think Mao should skate with the men and be done with it. Then she can be sure of breaking 200 (the men get higher factors on the PCS scores).

 

[Mathman]

I'm not sure how much Sasha's PCSs were inflated in 2003. As Z4mboni says, the ISU was still in experimental mode that year, and if you look at the protocols for the individual judges, they are all over the lot. Sasha got some 9s and also some mid-sevens at Skate Canada in the same categories.

However, if you compare, say, that SP with Sasha's SP at the Olympics three years later, she got even higher PCSs in the latter (33.92 in 2003 versus 35.33 in 2006).

It is more the GOEs that the ISU refined. In 2003 you could get positive GOEs just by looking pretty. Sasha got positive GOEs for every elemnent in her 2003 Skate Canada performance, while in the 2006 Olympic SP she got a substantial bonus only for her spiral.

In fact, in her 2003 Skate Canada SP Sasha got a total GOE of +7.80 -- more than a triple Axel!

Comparing Sasha in 2003 to Mao in 2007, however, is a no-brainer. This was Sasha in the fullness of her artistic maturity. Mao is just starting out. Sasha averaged 8.5 in PCSs in 2003 to Mao's 7.5 now, which I think is a reasonable differential.

 

[yaph]

In Japan, a crazy Mao fan is sometimes called 'Maota'. The Maota can't generally read the atmosphere of the place.

 

[demarinis5]

Comparing Sasha in 2003 to Mao in 2007, however, is a no-brainer. This was Sasha in the fullness of her artistic maturity. Mao is just starting out. Sasha averaged 8.5 in PCSs in 2003 to Mao's 7.5 now, which I think is a reasonable differential.

Thank you for that reality check.

 

[Tinymavy15]

Sasha by all means desreved that score. Her malaguena progoam was one of the best i have ever seen by anybosy. Better chroegraphy or interpration is unthinkable. How she didn't beat it in Torino with Dark Eyes, i will never know. The judges must have been insane not to giver her a positive on every single element. what more do they want?

 

[R.D.]

Can mao get 200.00? yes she can.

Will she? ah. that's the question that we'll all be asking.

 

[enlight78]

I think Mao should skate with the men and be done with it. Then she can be sure of breaking 200 (the men get higher factors on the PCS scores).

If Mao's NHK program was given the same weight as the men. Her short would have been 76.80 and her long woul have been 144.98 and her total would have been 221.78. Her NHK long program wasn't close to being clean. I say let her compete in the men. She'll at least be in the top ten maybe even top six.

 

[satorare]

Although it's more difficult to obtain level 4 for step seqs than spirals, men can do 3A insted of 2A in SP, and have one more jump in FP. If Mao competes as a man, she has good chances to beat guys like Buttle or Weir.

 

[iloveaxel]

Although it's more difficult to obtain level 4 for step seqs than spirals, men can do 3A insted of 2A in SP, and have one more jump in FP. If Mao competes as a man, she has good chances to beat guys like Buttle or Weir.

Women are not allowed to do 3A in short program?

 

[satorare]

In a woman's SP, 2A is a must. She can do 3A as a solo jump from steps or a part of the combination.

 

[Spun Silver]

I think the men would kill her on footwork.

It's funny at first (little mighty Mao against the men) but not a good idea. Her bones would break under the quad, quad-triple, and multiple-quad competition.

 

[R.D.]

Mighty Mao against the Men! I love it...good one

Maybe she does need to be in the men's comp, though, if she's aiming for 200+