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Press said 'You seem calm'
Yuzuru: The presence of Patrick is helping me stay calm, there is competition!
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From Asahi News tweets
 
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3bj2d9_2015-10-30-速報-最新映像-あす開幕_sport
Super Great Fluff piece on the Yuzu/Patrick rivalry, showing the 2013-14 season highlights.
Yuzu is the type of skater that studies other skaters closely, none more than Patrick Chan. Even when he debuted in the GP series at 15, he always mentioned watching Chan's skating and learning from it.

The video includes his comments from the Olympic season, 'Competing against Chan is the best way for me to gauge my own growth as a skater' 'He is so strong!'

I think, win or lose, Yuzu really likes to compete against Chan.
 
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I can't view Hanyu's LP run through.

When Hanyu is ON, his jumps are jaw-dropping.

I set up Hola browsing from UK. Then it worked!
Amazing YUZU!! So excited for this men's event!!!
 
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3bj2d9_2015-10-30-速報-最新映像-あす開幕_sport
Super Great Fluff piece on the Yuzu/Patrick rivalry, showing the 2013-14 season highlights.
Yuzu is the type of skater that studies other skaters closely, none more than Patrick Chan. Even when he debuted in the GP series at 15, he always mentioned watching Chan's skating and learning from it.

The video includes his comments from the Olympic season, 'Competing against Chan is the best way for me to gauge my own growth as a skater' 'He is so strong!'

I think, win or lose, Yuzu really likes to compete against Chan.

Just don't forget that Patrick skated with the Japanese National team for more than 3 weeks, back in 2012 summertime, after Patrick won the World Championship in Nice, France, in late March, same year. Of course, Hanyu would need to have his head examined if he didn't get the chance then to seriously watch and study his 'idol' Patrick Chan.

The result of Lethbridge skate Canada meet up between the two has foregone conclusion, already. The best of youth rules over 'experience'. Especially Patrick just came off a long layoff of a couple of years and more, from regular training and competition.
 
Oh my, this will be a difficult event as I love both Chan and Hanyu equally and I consider them both to be equal in skating.
 
I was thinking about the exact same thing :biggrin: come on the American ladies are great but I don't see them getting ahead of Mao and the Russian ladies this season. Gracie winning the World title with Liza and Mao there? V/T not medalling? It would be less crazy to say their dominance isn't certain with D/R and S/H... :shrug:
HOWEVER I actually think that prediciting Patrick will win another title is not crazy at all. He's certainly one of the favorites, I just think he's going to have to 1. skate very well in order to do so, or 2. If he doesn't skate very well, the rest of the guys would have to make a lot of mistakes. What did surprise me was the prediction of Han medalling at Worlds, which two (out of the top 4) would that person place off the podium?

I would like to comment on the prediction that Chinese skater Han was medal at worlds. That prediction wasn't too far off. Because Han did come close to it several times, winding up 4th after LP, and I think he did win one at Shanghai's CoC, sometime. Since I took a long absence from this forum, since two years ago, I am not up to the minute like some other guys in here. The thing I want to comment is that Han is supremely talented and unique in a country of 1.4 billion souls. He is a northern Chinese, so he is taller than Patrick, who comes from Southern Chinese stock (but hold on, Hanyu comes from a nation of people not known for body heights, but he is thin, tall, like a rake, pliable like a lady).
Yen Han also was trained and nurtured under the Chinese system, originally copied from the Soviet Russians, eons ago. You can still hear their TV expert commentators, for live international skating events, saying, to their audiences, that" Yes, there are two kinds of spin/jump techniques in the world today, that of the western/American/Canadian style/techniques, and their own indigenous technique". But he forgot to mention that their skaters technique has long been obsolete, and revised even by the Russians today, and to my opinion, that is the Achilles heel of Chinese skaters, even extremely talented ones like Yen Han (Yen is his surname 阎), who achieves tremendous heights for his jumps, using the standard ballet technique, without using the standard western type (now used by the present day Russians, too) knee lifting at the initial stage of the upward movement. This technique was blown up to obvious proportion in the men's high jump event in track and field, and I suspect that figure skating coaches (the up to date ones) borrowed this technique from their fellow track atheletes. I took videos of Patrick while practicing, and I freezed the frames when he reached his top achieved heights (before he changed his jumping style, under his new head coach). And there he was lifting his knees and legs for his jumps.
The point I want to suggest here, is that YenHan and his cohorts, sadly, will never make the same heights as their counterparts, nor in important competition placement, in the future, as long as they train close camp, in China, never let their top athletes use (nor develop their promising youngs, using the most up-to-date skating techniques of other skating nations) train abroad, (Chen Lu, their only woman World Champ, trained for long period in the States, before winning her Championship) and keep on believing that their training technique and style is equally good or superior. Chinese sports generally follows indigenous training methods, traditionally. But in recent years, Chinese swimming, as an example, went abroad for training, expertise, and experience. And the result is obvious, as Chinese swimming, nowadays, with their top atheletes training extensively in Australia and elsewhere, has become a force in the sports, globally.
If Chinese ISU can take a leaf from their swimming discipline colleagues..........let the world starting seeing more talents in the World Championship circuits..........and with China getting the Winter Olympics hosting rights for the year 2022.........there is still time, for China to improve, of course, with helps from other friendly quarters. But first, the Chinese ISU have to get off from their high horses, looking down on anything new........believing they are perfect and can stick it out without input from others.
 
He is a northern Chinese, so he is taller than Patrick, who comes from Southern Chinese stock (but hold on, Hanyu comes from a nation of people not known for body heights, but he is thin, tall, like a rake, pliable like a lady).

tung, I didn't know the word 'rake' (sorry, mother tongue not English) so I googled, and one of the definitions is 'a fashionable or wealthy man of dissolute or promiscuous habits' lol but surely I know what you want to say.:hijacked:
Anyway, I had high hopes for Han Yan, but he keeps disappointing his fans. I wanted him to win SA, but he bombed....again. :hijacked:
 
Agreed, both skating perfectly and Hanyu winning by over 10 points would be the most enjoyable outcome in history.

Very correct! For Hanyu with 3 quads and 2 axels (1 quad and 2 axels in the second half) in the FS, and an SP with a quad in the second half, winning overall by 10 points would be a totally fair outcome, even if Chan is undoubtedly the superior overall skater. Nice to see we agree on something, kiddo. :biggrin:
 
I have a question (sounds like a 10 y/o student but well)
The IN article said that Patrick was just trying one quad in the FS, but I think I saw him attempt two in the run-through, so it will be two? Perhaps Interspectator was right and it was one type of quad, but two quads at the end of the day. :shrug:
 
I have a question (sounds like a 10 y/o student but well)
The IN article said that Patrick was just trying one quad in the FS, but I think I saw him attempt two in the run-through, so it will be two? Perhaps Interspectator was right and it was one type of quad, but two quads at the end of the day. :shrug:

he will be doing two quad toes in free skate
 
ouch....

i am sure YUZU didn't mean to say it quite like that... or maybe it's lost in translation... but considering all the other skaters there, and all the ones he has had to compete with since Patrick retired... isn't this saying that, without Patrick, there's no competition? Isn't this dismissive to other competitors?


I am doing this, not because I believe that's what he meant... but to show how quotes like these ones have painted a personality of Patrick that some posters here call arrogant... while he isn't... we could do the same about Yuzu and pretty much everyone when reading short quotes like these out of context.

May the best skate win! (see how i didn't write skater! but skate... that day!!!!)
Press said 'You seem calm'
Yuzuru: The presence of Patrick is helping me stay calm, there is competition!
:biggrin:

From Asahi News tweets
 
ouch....

i am sure YUZU didn't mean to say it quite like that... or maybe it's lost in translation... but considering all the other skaters there, and all the ones he has had to compete with since Patrick retired... isn't this saying that, without Patrick, there's no competition? Isn't this dismissive to other competitors?


I am doing this, not because I believe that's what he meant... but to show how quotes like these ones have painted a personality of Patrick that some posters here call arrogant... while he isn't... we could do the same about Yuzu and pretty much everyone when reading short quotes like these out of context.

May the best skate win! (see how i didn't write skater! but skate... that day!!!!)

He has always loved to compete against Patrick because he knows just how strong he is as a skater and he has viewed him as his "goal" for so long. Everyone has that one competitor that brings out that fire in them that no one else does. IMO, it doesn't mean he thinks less of other competitors, rather its a personal motivator.
 
He has always loved to compete against Patrick because he knows just how strong he is as a skater and he has viewed him as his "goal" for so long. Everyone has that one competitor that brings out that fire in them that no one else does. IMO, it doesn't mean he thinks less of other competitors, rather its a personal motivator.
Yes... and in any case, I also doubt that many skaters are going to feel offended, if Yuzuru counts Patrick Chan among the top competitors. His abilities go without saying, and he remains a force to be reckoned with...
 
ouch....

i am sure YUZU didn't mean to say it quite like that... or maybe it's lost in translation... but considering all the other skaters there, and all the ones he has had to compete with since Patrick retired... isn't this saying that, without Patrick, there's no competition? Isn't this dismissive to other competitors?


I am doing this, not because I believe that's what he meant... but to show how quotes like these ones have painted a personality of Patrick that some posters here call arrogant... while he isn't... we could do the same about Yuzu and pretty much everyone when reading short quotes like these out of context.

May the best skate win! (see how i didn't write skater! but skate... that day!!!!)

I understand the comparison you are trying to make...but I only posted Yuzu's comments about Patrick because it was pertinent to the thread.
About the whole of Skate Canada Yuzu said that it is NOT a 2 man race, but rather he and Patrick were only 2 of 12. http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASHBW4V6NHBWUTQP00X.html
He also complimented Shoma Uno's early success saying, 'there is a lot I can learn from him.'
Basically, while you are straining to find fault in Yuzu's compliments to other skaters, it is hardly an equal comparison to someone who said there was 'Nothing special, no offense' about the 2015 Worlds field.

In context or out of context, those words are sure to ruffle feathers, don't you think?
 
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Yes... and in any case, I also doubt that many skaters are going to feel offended, if Yuzuru counts Patrick Chan among the top competitors. His abilities go without saying, and he remains a force to be reckoned with...

Yes, and the above also means that there are other top competitors, Chan being one of them.
 
I totally agree with you…. that's my point…

to others who didn't quite read my post properly ;)

I am NOT saying YUZU is being mean or dismissive… I am saying that medias are often misquoting, or extracting words that come with a context ;) while many are being so harsh on Patrick, some get away with similar comments. Patrick says he is an underdog in this competition. So that shows how humble he is…but I am sure people will roll on the floor with this comment ;) in any case, I made my point ;) let's not over react with what the media is doing… actually there is in Patrick's fan fest an article that was pretty much transcribed from a video interview…. the article depicts a struggling Patrick… while in the Video, Patrick says, i have been struggling … BUT things are getting better….. huge difference :)

I understand the comparison you are trying to make...but I only posted Yuzu's comments about Patrick because it was pertinent to the thread.
About the whole of Skate Canada Yuzu said that it is NOT a 2 man race, but rather he and Patrick were only 2 of 12.
He also complimented Shoma Uno's early success saying, 'there is a lot I can learn from him.'
Basically, while you are straining to find fault in Yuzu's compliments to other skaters, it is hardly an equal comparison to someone who said there was 'Nothing special, no offense' about the 2015 Worlds field.

In context or out of context, those words are sure to ruffle feathers, don't you think?
 
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